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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 16:28:21 GMT -5
Roster management in recruiting and player rotations in games. Those are his 2 biggest weaknesses I think. Also, sometimes I don't like his defensive choices..like last year.
Last year he played too much man when he should have been playing zone. Now he's playing more zone with less zone defense ability than he had last year.
He never seemed to have a good plan in roster management...although maybe he does now (IF the long term goal is 'small ball'). As frustrating as it is, I don't even hold that against him as much as I should because half the MAAC coaches are horrible at roster management. If you can tell me, besides Cluess and maybe Baggett or a couple others, what coaches are recruiting correctly to their style of play..I'd love to hear it.
Masiello loves to press and run on D...yet he recruits mini combo guards, slow shooters, and big men. Why isn't he going after athletic, attacking wings with size..instead of the 5-11 shooting guard who can't defend?
Half these coaches have their heads up their asses and have too much ego to recognize what's right in front of them.
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Post by Tony on Dec 28, 2017 17:39:53 GMT -5
two * on Wojcik * - Committed last year, before the others could get involved. I would congratulate Patsos on that if it wasnt for * number 2 * - Obviously family ties to Patsos and Loyola etc. He does ok when he has an "in" like this. Blind recruiting... not so much. This has been discussed often out here. Lets see how it all works out. Fair, but if we were comparing Wojcik to Poole (who was fully recruited by MB by the way given that MB had been HC for 2 years before Poole arrived), I thought Jake’s ranking deserved mention there. Also, Jake was locked up before he was a well-regarded prospect, have to think some credit is due there for our staff. Not to nit pick but ... Rob Poole commited his junior year of High School to Fran .. he was last Fran recruit
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 28, 2017 17:48:24 GMT -5
Fair, but if we were comparing Wojcik to Poole (who was fully recruited by MB by the way given that MB had been HC for 2 years before Poole arrived), I thought Jake’s ranking deserved mention there. Also, Jake was locked up before he was a well-regarded prospect, have to think some credit is due there for our staff. Not to nit pick but ... Rob Poole commited his junior year of High School to Fran .. he was last Fran recruit Good call Tony, had forgotten that. Just looked at the years and assumed.
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Post by Tony on Dec 28, 2017 17:58:35 GMT -5
But it begs a question ... if Patsos is such a bad recruiter, how does he achieve mediocre to good results throughout his coaching career? I see many saying that he is horrible in game coach, does little to prepare his players and is so bad to the kids in the program that they run away. So which is it, either he is recruiting D2 talent as you say ... which would have to make him a killer game coach given the results. Or, he is a better at evaluating/recognizing talent than he is given credit for but a horrible game coach? I just don't think a guy who was able to win at, as HJ put it, the Cleveland Browns of D1 basketball and has achieved, at worst, mediocrity at Siena is both a horrible recruiter and a horrible game coach. Asking for a friend. Oh me ..me I’ll take this question pick me!!! I say this to “haters” all the Time- JP is no Mitch, Beyer or Lanier – he is so – so Jimbo not stinky Jimbo- if you are going to compare him to any former MAAC coach it would be Marist’s Mediocre Dave Magarrity – similar resume, Mediocre Dave coached 23 years 1 MAAC regular season championship ( and Siena and Lanier knocked him out) and 1 NCAA trip from NEC As for So-so’s recruiting, he doesn’t get top talent ( in 14 years he has only recruited one 1st team ALL MAAC player and only a handful that even made any ALL MAAC teams. What Jimmy does well is recruit kids that fit his personality tough hardnosed kids that will ugly up the game and play HARD ( and I mean HARD that’s why I capitalized it) that type of talent will get you close to 500 most years but will seldom be top team in Conference or even beat top teams- he does however dominate teams ranked 250 and over In short So-so will be around 500 ( give or take 4 or 5 games) most years- he is NEVER going to be a top MAAC coach or have Siena consistently at top of MAAC- since he can’t get the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola I do fear for his ability to finish 500 Because of above said limitations- So-so is slooowly killing program. He turns a lot of Siena fans off, is not a good representative of the school , he has a 14 year career and its plainly evident he is a 500 coach, for those reasons I want him replaced ASAP. And when I say ASAP I dont mean today, I mean as soon as financially feasible ( end of this year or next year)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 18:11:39 GMT -5
I agree with Tony. Jimmy's strength is getting his teams to play with heart. His teams usually do very well in the toughness categories. They also usually attack the offensive boards with reckless abandon and get to the FT line.
2 years ago Siena was 6th in the nation in offensive rebounding %. Even this year they're 70th.
Jimmy's all about emotion...so it's not surprising his teams play that way.
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Post by olddave on Dec 28, 2017 18:20:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone said JP was completely awful but just very mediocre (hence the nickname so-so Jimbo). Siena should strive to be better. While it's not his fault the previous three years to his arrive has caused a lot of angst. Siena is now 8 years from being a truly good team. Siena should be competing with Iona not be happy being a .500 program. That's the thing Mike, look at SF's response post that I was responding to where he refers to JP as a loser and he isn't the only one who takes that position. I agree with you that his tenure has resulted in so so results. Good points b both. JP is not a loser but mediocre. History always repeats itself, and JP is a 500 coach. As stated are the Siena faithful satisfied with 500. Another question not asked is the backup JP is receiving from the administration, that includes the AD, the Board as well as admissions. JP is a politician, not a Fran who would be in someone's face if he didn't get a kid. How hard does he fight the bureaucracy to get what he needs or just goes along. As stated before time for major changes at the school, to many just going through the motions.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 29, 2017 12:09:39 GMT -5
JP was an approx. .500 coach when Siena hired him. He is what his record says he is, as many have stated a mediocre coach. Not a high winning percentage one. The administration knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him. Did they think the advantages that Siena offers would turn him into a higher winning coach or were they OK with .500 performance? That is the question that needs to be answered. The only public statement that I have heard is that the "expectation is the Saints are in a position to compete for MAAC championships each year". Has Jimmy produced that during his time year? Simple questions that Siena College could and should answer for its fan base. Once we clearly understand their expectations, we can set ours and decide if we want to continue and support the program or not.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2017 12:53:59 GMT -5
I still don't see how Jake Wojcik will find time on this team the way it's built. He probably can't play PG. He's not an athletic defender/driver...and he's on a team filled with guys who can shoot..which is his primary strength. On top of those disadvantages he'll be a frosh. If Kinnon LaRose couldn't get time with less guard depth, it could be harder for Wojcik. He may be able to shoot the lights out but, the team will likely be playing with 4 guards who can shoot at all times even without him. Horn seems, to me, to have more all around skills in the long term and looks quicker. And he'll have the advantage of being an experienced sophomore with more ability to back up the PG for short stretches. Patsos will love him. He doesnt make mistakes, is a better passer than Horn, shoots the damn lights out. He comes in immediately game-ready, Patsos called him the combo of Downey and Rob Poole. At 6-4 he can fit in to these 4 guard looks I would think. HJ mentioned earlier that we need guys who just want to shoot the ball when guys like Welch and Nico drive and kick.... well Wojcik is your guy for that, and I think he’d absolutely thrive. I agree that we start to run into a logjam, but I could see Horn going into Khalil’s role and Wojcik taking Horn’s. Guards will be leaving I have to imagine. Not just guards are leaving. It will be interesting to see who is recruited over next. There will be room for the replacements.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2017 12:56:28 GMT -5
How do you know he's a better passer? How do you know he's game ready? Cause he's played D1 already? He seems awkward and slow off the bounce in film. He may grow to be Kyle Downey crafty and tough but Kyle Downey had a career negative assist ratio and didn't learn to rebound until he was a senior. I think Horn could be a better rebounder as well. Richard shoots the lights out just as much and is quicker and a more explosive scorer. Horn, long term, could settle in as the tougher, more solid guy that Ryan Oliver was. Wojcik feels like LaRose to me. Upside may be as a Brian Bernardi but I don't know that Jimmy will give him the chance to develop that far if they get 2 more big athletic wings. Richard, if he plays wild, could lose out as Wojcik is bigger and neither will likely defend well. But it'd be a frosh beating out a junior 40% shooter. I think Horn is going to make his case with his assist ratio, shooting, and rebounding the rest of this year...that he can be a solid bench guard. But that's just my opinion. I see Horn as the new Oliver. I think Wojcik is better in catch-and-shoot than Richard. He’s got all the craftiness, and his film (albeit some from highlight tapes) showed some very slick passes off drive and kick action as well as cuts. His handle needs to tighten a bit, but he plays at a really good high school and always looks super composed on film. I personally see him as more of a Rob Poole/Shane Richards combo without some of that rebounding. But, they are freshmen and we’ll see. So you believe a guy that has not played one college game is better at something a current college player has shown to be very good at?
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 29, 2017 15:52:41 GMT -5
I agree with Tony. Jimmy's strength is getting his teams to play with heart. His teams usually do very well in the toughness categories. They also usually attack the offensive boards with reckless abandon and get to the FT line. 2 years ago Siena was 6th in the nation in offensive rebounding %. Even this year they're 70th. Jimmy's all about emotion...so it's not surprising his teams play that way. sounds interesting, but that doesn't typically win ball games at the college level, which not surprisingly is the reason why he is a .500 coach.............talent, strategy, execution come into play a lot more...........maybe if JP was coaching on the blacktop in the inner cities that style would be more successful, just sayin'
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Post by knicksaint on Dec 29, 2017 19:03:34 GMT -5
Not just guards are leaving. It will be interesting to see who is recruited over next. There will be room for the replacements. Maybe you need to define "recruited over." It seems to me that a coach should try to recruit the best players he can, subject to academic and character issues being favorable. If bringing in a more talented player means someone already here has been recruited over, I am not troubled at all. When you have a team that is 4-9, it is reasonably apparent that Siena does not have outstanding overall talent and needs an infusion of same. While I would prefer that it happen without kids being run off, even that is not that big an issue to me if the staff helps those who depart find a landing spot.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2017 19:23:47 GMT -5
I think Wojcik is better in catch-and-shoot than Richard. He’s got all the craftiness, and his film (albeit some from highlight tapes) showed some very slick passes off drive and kick action as well as cuts. His handle needs to tighten a bit, but he plays at a really good high school and always looks super composed on film. I personally see him as more of a Rob Poole/Shane Richards combo without some of that rebounding. But, they are freshmen and we’ll see. So you believe a guy that has not played one college game is better at something a current college player has shown to be very good at? The only guy on this team that, "has shown to be very good at it" coming onto the season is Nico. No one else. Funny, you had no issue with LeLavon coming in out of HS and starting over kids that had college experience? Hmmmmmm.......
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2017 19:26:51 GMT -5
Everytime Richard plays defense he fouls
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 19:59:40 GMT -5
Everytime Richard plays defense he fouls He was horrible in that first half. Did nothing well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 20:06:02 GMT -5
We know why PPC loves him, he reminds her of Lavon....
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