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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:22:43 GMT -5
He's got athleticism but without any stats or good offers or anything...he's a wild card. I don't quite like his movements in highlights to be a 1-3 guard as much as Johnson though maybe he's more capable of playing the PF than he his. Maybe he's more like a Marvin Prochet. He's officially listed at 6-6 at South Plains..and that's a bit bigger than the others. He could be better for that position than what we have now. If he's coming, I bet we find out fast as he smells like a mid year transfer to me. If he's got good grades, he's not playing, and it's not the coach that recruited him...I don't know what would be keeping him at JUCO. I don't think Siena currently has an open scholarship to give the kid mid year. If he comes, it will either be this summer or on his own dime. You never know. After Penn, there's a midyear precedent now set. Given his current playing situation, the kid might also be desperate enough to gamble on paying his own way for the chance at a scholarship down the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:37:27 GMT -5
It is mid season,
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 27, 2017 11:38:23 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking: Is it at all possible if he comes early that he plays right away? IF the grades check out and he gets in for second semester, why not just add him and try to play him. Don't see why he wouldn't be eligible, and since he already played this season at JUCO, it's not like playing him this season would burn a year of eligibility. He'd still have 3 to play after this year. Maybe he gives you nothing, but in theory, he's 6-6 and shoots 3's, perfect for the 4-out looks. No risk, high reward.
Has anyone ever heard of a JUCO kid enrolling early and playing right away?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 11:57:55 GMT -5
Wilson seems like he could be a solid piece for that 4 spot and Johnson seems like another Shivers+ that we'd all take.
But, we all know, Dominick Welch could be the real prize here. Maybe he didn't shoot he 3 super great in HS (seems around 32%)...but he was a high volume 80% FT shooter and did everything else...so there's shooting upside there.
You get 2 of these guys, especially if one is Welch, and there's no way Jimmy could ever justify a 2 big lineup ever again.
He'd have so many plus rebounding playmaking wings..that Siena would probably still out rebound most teams.
Hell, Siena is #1 in the MAAC in rebounding margin NOW. You add 2 more big athletic wings who go get it and they could be even better at it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:26:45 GMT -5
All 3 of these guys seem like players who could get a board, steal, or block a shot like Clareth can. Get 2, and you could potentially be playing with 3 Nico type athletes on the wings. There isn't a team in the MAAC, right now, that would field a lineup with that kind of all-around athletic energy with that size and toughness....
It would certainly get people a little more hopeful for next year.
However, it's too early to know what it would do to help the turnover situation. Penn is not a dominant enough PG, Smithen would likely be gone, and Horn is merely a PG plug like Oliver was and not a creator for others.
These guys could have still have some of the same problems on offense as this year's team does. There would likely be a lot of 1 on 1 ball.
If these guys were able to be starter caliber players immediately, they'd have to make up for turnovers with that potentially increased perimeter D and rebounding.
It would be a team with a lot of raw potential but with no guarantees.
Hopefully, Penn makes a big sophomore leap.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 27, 2017 12:31:43 GMT -5
Scholarships are 1 year in length. (I believe July to June) If someone leaves now, their scholarship is tied up until after the season.
Penn got the scholarship last year because they went into the season with 12 on scholarship and either Huerter or Degnan (or both) paying their way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:57:48 GMT -5
I still don't see how Jake Wojcik will find time on this team the way it's built. He probably can't play PG. He's not an athletic defender/driver...and he's on a team filled with guys who can shoot..which is his primary strength. On top of those disadvantages he'll be a frosh.
If Kinnon LaRose couldn't get time with less guard depth, it could be harder for Wojcik. He may be able to shoot the lights out but, the team will likely be playing with 4 guards who can shoot at all times even without him. Horn seems, to me, to have more all around skills in the long term and looks quicker. And he'll have the advantage of being an experienced sophomore with more ability to back up the PG for short stretches like Oliver did as he matured.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 27, 2017 13:19:10 GMT -5
I still don't see how Jake Wojcik will find time on this team the way it's built. He probably can't play PG. He's not an athletic defender/driver...and he's on a team filled with guys who can shoot..which is his primary strength. On top of those disadvantages he'll be a frosh. If Kinnon LaRose couldn't get time with less guard depth, it could be harder for Wojcik. He may be able to shoot the lights out but, the team will likely be playing with 4 guards who can shoot at all times even without him. Horn seems, to me, to have more all around skills in the long term and looks quicker. And he'll have the advantage of being an experienced sophomore with more ability to back up the PG for short stretches. Patsos will love him. He doesnt make mistakes, is a better passer than Horn, shoots the damn lights out. He comes in immediately game-ready, Patsos called him the combo of Downey and Rob Poole. At 6-4 he can fit in to these 4 guard looks I would think. HJ mentioned earlier that we need guys who just want to shoot the ball when guys like Welch and Nico drive and kick.... well Wojcik is your guy for that, and I think he’d absolutely thrive. I agree that we start to run into a logjam, but I could see Horn going into Khalil’s role and Wojcik taking Horn’s. Guards will be leaving I have to imagine. |
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Post by Quackman on Dec 27, 2017 13:24:38 GMT -5
If he is a dead eye shooter and can defend/rebound his position reasonably well, he'll earn playing time. Siena might shoot reasonably well from 3 but they still do not have a guy that I would consider a great shooter. Siena would benefit from having a guy that shoots the ball well enough that other teams need to mark him wherever he is on the court ... especially across from Nico. Penn has a nice looking stroke but isn't that guy. Horn may be but hasn't proven it yet. Shivers is glue type guy. Not sure what to make of Bentley yet other than he has great hops.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 27, 2017 13:30:54 GMT -5
if these guys could play they would have other offers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 13:31:37 GMT -5
I still don't see how Jake Wojcik will find time on this team the way it's built. He probably can't play PG. He's not an athletic defender/driver...and he's on a team filled with guys who can shoot..which is his primary strength. On top of those disadvantages he'll be a frosh. If Kinnon LaRose couldn't get time with less guard depth, it could be harder for Wojcik. He may be able to shoot the lights out but, the team will likely be playing with 4 guards who can shoot at all times even without him. Horn seems, to me, to have more all around skills in the long term and looks quicker. And he'll have the advantage of being an experienced sophomore with more ability to back up the PG for short stretches. Patsos will love him. He doesnt make mistakes, is a better passer than Horn, shoots the damn lights out. He comes in immediately game-ready, Patsos called him the combo of Downey and Rob Poole. At 6-4 he can fit in to these 4 guard looks I would think. HJ mentioned earlier that we need guys who just want to shoot the ball when guys like Welch and Nico drive and kick.... well Wojcik is your guy for that, and I think he’d absolutely thrive. I agree that we start to run into a logjam, but I could see Horn going into Khalil’s role and Wojcik taking Horn’s. Guards will be leaving I have to imagine. How do you know he's a better passer? How do you know he's game ready? Cause he's played D1 already? He seems awkward and slow off the bounce in film. He may grow to be Kyle Downey crafty and tough but Kyle Downey had a career negative assist ratio and didn't learn to rebound until he was a senior. I think Horn could be a better rebounder as well. Richard shoots the lights out just as much and is quicker and a more explosive scorer. Horn, long term, could settle in as the tougher, more solid guy that Ryan Oliver was. Wojcik feels like LaRose to me. Upside may be as a Brian Bernardi but I don't know that Jimmy will give him the chance to develop that far if they get 2 more big athletic wings. Richard, if he plays wild, could lose out as Wojcik is bigger and neither will likely defend well. But it'd be a frosh beating out a junior 40% shooter. I think Horn is going to make his case with his assist ratio, shooting, and rebounding the rest of this year...that he can be a solid bench guard. But that's just my opinion. I see Horn as the new Oliver. |
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Post by $cott on Dec 27, 2017 13:36:23 GMT -5
I still don't see how Jake Wojcik will find time on this team the way it's built. He probably can't play PG. He's not an athletic defender/driver...and he's on a team filled with guys who can shoot..which is his primary strength. On top of those disadvantages he'll be a frosh. If Kinnon LaRose couldn't get time with less guard depth, it could be harder for Wojcik. He may be able to shoot the lights out but, the team will likely be playing with 4 guards who can shoot at all times even without him. Horn seems, to me, to have more all around skills in the long term and looks quicker. And he'll have the advantage of being an experienced sophomore with more ability to back up the PG for short stretches. Patsos will love him. He doesnt make mistakes, is a better passer than Horn, shoots the damn lights out. He comes in immediately game-ready, Patsos called him the combo of Downey and Rob Poole. At 6-4 he can fit in to these 4 guard looks I would think. HJ mentioned earlier that we need guys who just want to shoot the ball when guys like Welch and Nico drive and kick.... well Wojcik is your guy for that, and I think he’d absolutely thrive. I agree that we start to run into a logjam, but I could see Horn going into Khalil’s role and Wojcik taking Horn’s. Guards will be leaving I have to imagine. Downey was one of the worst volume 3 point shooters Siena has ever had. If this kid shoots anything like Downey and he's slower than Horn as KK thinks then we are in big trouble! |
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 27, 2017 13:39:32 GMT -5
if these guys could play they would have other offers. Who are “these guys”? Jake Wojcik? He committed before his junior year! He won player of the year in his conference (a good one) and was first team all Nor-Cal by MaxPreps. Several national recruiting analysts have said we got a good one. Patsos went out with Manning and spent a week with him this summer to keep his commitment. Tariq Johnson has Wagner and James Madison. Dom Welch has St. Bonnie’s, UMass, Cleveland State, Hofstra, Buffalo. Wilson had commitable offers from Boston U and NJIT but left them on the table to bet on himself because he grew an inch and a half, so he’s the only slightly concerning one, but his tape is very good and he has the numbers to back them up from prep. |
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Post by psycholojets on Dec 27, 2017 13:42:11 GMT -5
It amazes me how people, not just on this board, take a tiny sample size of a 16-17 year old and make blanket declarations about their future potential. A year ago Aaron Judge had too many holes in his swing and was not expected to even sniff the Bronx in 2017.
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Post by $cott on Dec 27, 2017 13:44:28 GMT -5
if these guys could play they would have other offers. Who are “these guys”? Jake Wojcik? He committed before his junior year! He won player of the year in his conference (a good one) and was first team all Nor-Cal by MaxPreps. Several national recruiting analysts have said we got a good one. Patsos went out with Manning and spent a week with him this summer to keep his commitment. Tariq Johnson has Wagner and James Madison. Dom Welch has St. Bonnie’s, UMass, Cleveland State, Hofstra, Buffalo. Wilson had commitable offers from Boston U and NJIT but left them on the table to bet on himself because he grew an inch and a half, so he’s the only slightly concerning one, but his tape is very good and he has the numbers to back them up from prep. We haven't landed either of those guys. Jimmy has made plenty of offers to kids with other offers, he just never lands them. |
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