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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 26, 2017 13:51:23 GMT -5
a Presidential response if Ive heard one LOL the truth: Non Conf SoS Monmouth: 28 these three roughly the same - Siena: 126 Iona: 138 Rider: 156 I agree, Monmouth's schedule is the toughest ... Siena's would be next. (Your #'s above is close to what Realtime RPI shows. Using their Power Rankings, Siena's is about 40 spots better than Iona's and 60 better than Marist.) Interesting thing I just saw, Wagner (Rider's "best" win) has an RPI in the 70's, but their best win is over #223 Fairfield. Not sure I would agree a 5-4 Wagner is really the 71st best team in the country. agreed. Just as Siena's Non Conference SOS will continue to fall as many of the teams begin conference play. |
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Post by olddave on Dec 26, 2017 13:52:16 GMT -5
Than we can all assume hat all the gains you made in your portfolio over the last 11 months your giving to charity. If you believe all the polls I have a bridge to sell you. No MTS is correct hoop is spoken here not political drivel. Then, I'll further assume that all the gains your portfolio made during the prior 8 years will be donated as well? And if you think that there weren't huge gains made coming out of the fiscal crisis of 2008, I'm sure the current president has a real estate investment he'd love to sell you. Ohh, I donated quite a bit and paid a huge amt. in taxes, point was being made that the forum is so called BB speak, not a political forum, and yes if you have some real estate investment would love to take a look at it, perhaps I can take advantage and add to my portfolio. Personally don't care what religion you are, your sexual preferences or political persuasion, that's a personal preference none of anyone's business. Here we talk about Siena BB, stay on topic. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 26, 2017 13:56:40 GMT -5
Again, tell me about the OOC schedule. By far the hardest in the MAAC. No one even close. As for the ranking in the NCAAs, you guys sound like lotto winners that are pissed there's only 20 million in the pot! Lol. I'd be happy as hell just to make the NCAAs from a tough conference like the MAAC over the past several years. #spoiledrotten a Presidential response if Ive heard one LOL the truth: Non Conf SoS Monmouth: 28 these three roughly the same - Siena: 126 Iona: 138 Rider: 156 MTS was talking about last years team so guess which OOC schedule I was taking about? |
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Post by Tony on Dec 26, 2017 14:34:26 GMT -5
Cmon fella we fight enough about Siena basketball let alone politics-- please keep politics off this main board. BTW I deleted a few posts
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Post by Quackman on Dec 26, 2017 15:21:51 GMT -5
I agree, Monmouth's schedule is the toughest ... Siena's would be next. (Your #'s above is close to what Realtime RPI shows. Using their Power Rankings, Siena's is about 40 spots better than Iona's and 60 better than Marist.) Interesting thing I just saw, Wagner (Rider's "best" win) has an RPI in the 70's, but their best win is over #223 Fairfield. Not sure I would agree a 5-4 Wagner is really the 71st best team in the country. agreed. Just as Siena's Non Conference SOS will continue to fall as many of the teams begin conference play. Not sure I agree with that. Why would you expect the non conference SOS to drop when St Bonaventure, Vermont, Albany, Hofstra, Charleston, Bucknell and FGCU are all expected to fare quite well in their respected conferences? Louisville and Memphis are what they are. Looks like Robert Morris is better than expected and should be competitive in the NEC. Lehigh appears to be a midpack Patriot team. Only Bryant and Holy Cross appear to be truly bad teams and their RPI's are already trash. The OOC SOS should stay pretty steady as I don't see any of the teams they play taking huge nose dives in conference play. We'll see. |
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Post by bbfan on Dec 27, 2017 21:28:36 GMT -5
agreed. Just as Siena's Non Conference SOS will continue to fall as many of the teams begin conference play. Not sure I agree with that. Why would you expect the non conference SOS to drop when St Bonaventure, Vermont, Albany, Hofstra, Charleston, Bucknell and FGCU are all expected to fare quite well in their respected conferences? Louisville and Memphis are what they are. Looks like Robert Morris is better than expected and should be competitive in the NEC. Lehigh appears to be a midpack Patriot team. Only Bryant and Holy Cross appear to be truly bad teams and their RPI's are already trash. The OOC SOS should stay pretty steady as I don't see any of the teams they play taking huge nose dives in conference play. We'll see. Oh they will correct them self. The patriot is horrible this year unless you drink the JP cool aid he says they are a great conference, they are are 30th ranked conference. FGC just got thumped by 20 by Rhode Island tonight, FGC beat Siena by 33. Niagara beat the Bonnies and Canisius only lost by 8 to them. The Bonnies aren't that great but beat Siena by 20. Vermont is weaker this year. Albany is over rated, Siena almost beat them, they'll be exposed, Monmouth beat Albany by 8 and Canisius almost beat them too, lost by 3pts. RM not a good team even Canisius beat them by 14pts. It has already started to correct itself. I'm just hoping to get 2 wins to start the year against the weakest teams in the MAAC. If Siena doesn't win the first 2 games it's going to be a painful year. |
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Post by sipowicz on Dec 27, 2017 21:39:33 GMT -5
The BONNIES are not that great? Maybe/maybe not, but definitely could be. Remember they were without ADAMS AND STOCKARD for the Niagara game.
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Post by rpize24 on Dec 27, 2017 22:09:02 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with that. Why would you expect the non conference SOS to drop when St Bonaventure, Vermont, Albany, Hofstra, Charleston, Bucknell and FGCU are all expected to fare quite well in their respected conferences? Louisville and Memphis are what they are. Looks like Robert Morris is better than expected and should be competitive in the NEC. Lehigh appears to be a midpack Patriot team. Only Bryant and Holy Cross appear to be truly bad teams and their RPI's are already trash. The OOC SOS should stay pretty steady as I don't see any of the teams they play taking huge nose dives in conference play. We'll see. Oh they will correct them self. The patriot is horrible this year unless you drink the JP cool aid he says they are a great conference, they are are 30th ranked conference. FGC just got thumped by 20 by Rhode Island tonight, FGC beat Siena by 33. Niagara beat the Bonnies and Canisius only lost by 8 to them. The Bonnies aren't that great but beat Siena by 20. Vermont is weaker this year. Albany is over rated, Siena almost beat them, they'll be exposed, Monmouth beat Albany by 8 and Canisius almost beat them too, lost by 3pts. RM not a good team even Canisius beat them by 14pts. It has already started to correct itself. I'm just hoping to get 2 wins to start the year against the weakest teams in the MAAC. If Siena doesn't win the first 2 games it's going to be a painful year. I'm sorry but I don't see how St bonaventure isn't a great team. They beat Maryland WITHOUT Jaylen Adams and just won a game at the carrier dome which every team in the country struggles doing. Should they have a top 2-3 finish in the A-10 they should wind up with an at large bid for the dance. With that being said please explain to me how they aren't all that good |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 22:29:35 GMT -5
I noted the Bonnies excellent defense during the Siena game but the numbers have proved it out. Bonnies have the 38th best defense in the nation per Kenpom...and that ranking has been improving all year.
They are a very good team and Kenpom has them as 2nd best team in the A-10.
With regards to Vermont, I fail to understand how they're weaker. It's the same team..hardly anyone graduated from last year...and almost all the teams they've lost to were road games and close losses vs. top 100 ranked teams. The 1 team that wasn't was ranked 138th...and, again, it was on the road.
Albany is 11-3 and lost to Louisville by just 2...and again have only lost road games.
Need to give some credit to these teams. They are good teams.
I will give you that something is up with FGCU. Something is up with them. In December, they've taken a drastic turn.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 27, 2017 23:14:08 GMT -5
In my opinion if JP would have started this season with the mind set of going small.This team would probably be 6-7and likely would have beaten either one of these teams Albany,Vermont and Memphis and possibly all three.Known that's being a little hypothetical depending on his coaching and in game adjustments.But the problem was he had the answer with the Hofstra game but chose to not look at it.What a DA sometimes the answer to your problem is right there.Then you go and listen to the only person who has the wrong answer YOURSELF PRIDE
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Post by Tony on Dec 28, 2017 5:45:05 GMT -5
Some of the “haters” even get me going. The Non conf schedule was fair but extremely difficult, In retrospect too difficult for an inexperienced team with mainly low major talent. Anyone saying the non con wasn’t difficult for a MAAC team take with grain of salt
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Post by Quackman on Dec 28, 2017 9:20:06 GMT -5
Some of the “haters” even get me going. The Non conf schedule was fair but extremely difficult, In retrospect too difficult for an inexperienced team with mainly low major talent. Anyone saying the non con wasn’t difficult for a MAAC team take with grain of salt Exactly (well almost, I'm not sure I agree with low major talent, think there is more there than you do). Step further, inexperienced teams with freshman backcourts almost always struggle early in the season especially when playing more experienced teams. Say what you will about the schedule, there were a lot of strong experienced backcourts on the schedule. I didn't say any of the teams were great but all of the teams I mentioned should be very competitive within their own leagues. One thing about the RPI, if you win your games your RPI will stay at current levels or improve even against poor competition. SF's argument was that the SOS would erode over time, I still don't buy that position because alot of these teams RPI's will likely stay around what they already are. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 28, 2017 9:40:00 GMT -5
Some of the “haters” even get me going. The Non conf schedule was fair but extremely difficult, In retrospect too difficult for an inexperienced team with mainly low major talent. Anyone saying the non con wasn’t difficult for a MAAC team take with grain of salt call me a hater but i dont look at the Non Conf schedule vs the MAAC. I look at the non conf schedule vs prior siena teams. Siena had in the past made it a priority to schedule aggressively. This schedule is fairly normal for siena. I cant help it if the recruiting doesnt put the team in a position to take advantage of it. Lets remember that the non conf is where you want to get the power games because once maac play starts... you get a LOT of scrubs (Siena being one of them). Siena's non conference SOS is sitting at 125 currently |
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Post by bbfan on Dec 29, 2017 23:39:26 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with that. Why would you expect the non conference SOS to drop when St Bonaventure, Vermont, Albany, Hofstra, Charleston, Bucknell and FGCU are all expected to fare quite well in their respected conferences? Louisville and Memphis are what they are. Looks like Robert Morris is better than expected and should be competitive in the NEC. Lehigh appears to be a midpack Patriot team. Only Bryant and Holy Cross appear to be truly bad teams and their RPI's are already trash. The OOC SOS should stay pretty steady as I don't see any of the teams they play taking huge nose dives in conference play. We'll see. Oh they will correct them self. The patriot is horrible this year unless you drink the JP cool aid he says they are a great conference, they are are 30th ranked conference. FGC just got thumped by 20 by Rhode Island tonight, FGC beat Siena by 33. Niagara beat the Bonnies and Canisius only lost by 8 to them. The Bonnies aren't that great but beat Siena by 20. Vermont is weaker this year. Albany is over rated, Siena almost beat them, they'll be exposed, Monmouth beat Albany by 8 and Canisius almost beat them too, lost by 3pts. RM not a good team even Canisius beat them by 14pts. It has already started to correct itself. I'm just hoping to get 2 wins to start the year against the weakest teams in the MAAC. If Siena doesn't win the first 2 games it's going to be a painful year. Well here goes MAAC play, here come the wins. Oh wait not yet but Marist is really good, the wins will start pouring in soon. Siena has great confidence playing such a hard non conference schedule against such great teams. It really help prepare them to win. Oh wait you kind of need to win to know what that's like. It's going to be a brutal season if Oduro is suppose to be the man at Siena. He doesn't have the skill or conditioning to play more then 15 minutes of basketball at this level. Siena had some quality bigs interested and turned them away for Prince which was a big mistake. But JP has to make PO look decent if he can stats wise, so he over plays him every game trying to get him stats. Trying to win games seems like an after thought. It's going to be a long painful season. |
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Post by Tony on Dec 30, 2017 5:43:46 GMT -5
BBfan- you are spitting into the wind. Here is JP's play- he doesnt care about wins and losses this year as long as he gets to double figure wins ( at least 10) the idea is to play Oduro and Penn as much as possible to pump up their stats, get other freshmen playing time. in off season try to get 1 or 2 more kids that can play -- then next year win 17 or 18 games with a team mainly composed of Freshmen and Sophomores. He will then "work" Darg over for another 5 year guaranteed contract - so Siena fans can be assured of 5 more years of so-so Jimbo and 500 play, and sad part is Darg will probably fall for it, completing Siena's fall to low major status
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