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Post by $cott on Dec 21, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -5
Nico coming off the bench is fine, but if that is the case then it needs to be Richard or Horn starting (or both) and not Bentley. I don't think we should go a second of court time without either Nico or Richard in there. They are the only two that have the ability to create their own shot when the shot clock is running down which occurs all too frequently. When Shivers is the guy with the ball in his hand as the shot clock is winding down bad things happen.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 15:28:44 GMT -5
When did Hewitt have a freshman point guard? He had Freeney for his first two seasons and Stewart for his 3rd season. Plus, when was Hewitt's team known for their prowess in half court sets? Ok shoot me now; point is successful coaches ENTRUST. there is the key element that is missing. Look I am trying to see some silver lining here Nice back pedal, however this too makes no sense. The trust lies in the fact the PENN is playing almost the entire game as the PG with the Ball in his hand most of the time.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 16:12:27 GMT -5
There is little TRUST when he has to look at the HC/bench to start almost every offensive possession. Give me a friggin break. TRUST is more than just putting him out there for almost the entire game.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2017 16:31:59 GMT -5
while i understand the optimism with a "close loss @ Memphis" looking good on a resume... the reality is that this memphis team is NOT good. They have ONE win against a team with a winning record and that win is over Albany (10-3, Strength of Schedule 311). They are 1-3 against teams with a winning record and that is against the 265 Strength of schedule. Lets see where Memphis is by the end of January. They play 9 teams with winning records, 1 that is .500 and Loyola MD at 0-8. Lets temper the interpretation of results to this game. Siena plays the next 5 games against teams sub .500. With 4 of the 5 being at home. The absolute worst Siena should do against this stretch is 3-2. If Siena has ANY aspirations of turning the season around they go 5-0 over this stretch. There is no excuse not to. If they have any aspirations of finishing with a winning record on the season, THIS is the stretch that will determine it 306 Holy Cross (3-7) @292 Marist (2-9) 340 Quinnipiac (3-8) 213 Niagara (6-6) 276 Canisius (5-7) the easy run then ends on January 11 when they play @108 Iona (6-5) Correct we should be at 4-1 against this group. However, although we showed signs of life last night Horns not gonna shoot almost 70% from 3 with any consistency, teams are gonna be prepared, this team still does ridiculous stuff with the ball every game like not knowing how much time is on the shot clock, they regularly go for long periods without scoring (a JP trademark) and Jimmy still doesn’t have a true starting lineup. I get the feeling there’s a bit of a crap shoot going on rolling players out to see what’s going to happen kind of approach. Unfortunately this does little to build rhythm and cohesiveness. All in all I’m seeing some growth and improvement which is what you want to see. Let’s see how the next 5 shake out.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 16:35:00 GMT -5
There is little TRUST when he has to look at the HC/bench to start almost every offensive possession. Give me a friggin break. TRUST is more than just putting him out there for almost the entire game. Do you watch any of today's college basketball besides Siena? Most teams look to the bench to call out their sets both on offense and defense. BTW that goes for college football too. It does not necessarily have to due with trust or lack their of. The thought is the sidelines can observe the game and make the calls better than those who are actively participating in the game. Not saying I disagree or agree with that coaching approach, it is just the nature of college basketball today and is not unique to JP and The Saints.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 16:45:34 GMT -5
Keep talking because you are making yourself look foolish to those who know me and know how many teams I actually hold season tickets for (was 4, now down to 3 and none are Siena or UA) know that I travel for my job in medical research and have been known to attend and watch many college games with two NBA scouts across the country. I am telling you that the most successful coaches DO NOT consistently scream look at me for my waving arms telling you where to go and what to do. Do they call out plays...yes, do they hold up numbers...yes. but are they encouraging their guards to dribble while looking to them for which way to go on every possession? Making it so easy for the guys in the other uniforms to take the ball away. PUUUULEASE!
And maybe this would not be such a thorn in my ass if we were not committing such a volume of turnovers.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 21, 2017 17:02:47 GMT -5
I guess Penn IS the pg and the sg. Sorry ppc you’re wrong on this one. Not wrong jut not the coach. Coach gives Penn the mins and lets him learn on the job. Richard is a better player I do respect your opinion because you played the game and played it at a high level. But let me say this as a layman, the kid is in control and has a good touch that is hard to describe or quantify. It just looks pretty. Richards doesn’t look pretty. He looks rigid and tentative. I get nervous when he has the ball. Why? Maybe I’m wrong, but Penn looks good and he’s been looking better. Please give us updates on Lavon.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 17:07:43 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your basketball knowledge resume with all of us. Very impressive! So is it trust in players that you have an issue with or is it coaching style, or both? I guess my inferior knowledge of the game is not allowing me to follow your expert analysis. BTW, is your knowledge only built on being a fan, season ticket holder for multiple teams and friend of NBA Scouts or have you played and coached the game at the college level too? Just curios.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 20:52:41 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your basketball knowledge resume with all of us. Very impressive! So is it trust in players that you have an issue with or is it coaching style, or both? I guess my inferior knowledge of the game is not allowing me to follow your expert analysis. BTW, is your knowledge only built on being a fan, season ticket holder for multiple teams and friend of NBA Scouts or have you played and coached the game at the college level too? Just curios. Fyi..played in HS. Put myself through 2 masters in college for 6 yrs working and was on cusp of title IX so....no scholly for this 5 ft 2 in point guard. Coached for 5 years girls private school and AAU. Not just trust in players...trust in staff. Scouts are family not friends. I never said you were inferior. You attacked my opinion, observations and the past performance record I reference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 21:42:09 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your basketball knowledge resume with all of us. Very impressive! So is it trust in players that you have an issue with or is it coaching style, or both? I guess my inferior knowledge of the game is not allowing me to follow your expert analysis. BTW, is your knowledge only built on being a fan, season ticket holder for multiple teams and friend of NBA Scouts or have you played and coached the game at the college level too? Just curios. Just a bit of advice - you are biting off way more than you can chew - jumping from a ? about GB playing to coaching at the collegiate level as a basis for her analysis, confirms your first statement, the one about your inferior knowledge. One doesn't have to coach at the collegiate level to have a knowledge of the game that affords their views and critiques with a degree of respect and consideration. GB knows the game, both from coaching, viewing from the cheap seats in countless venues, and from very in-depth technical discussions with so many of our previous players. She wasn't knicknamed " TEAM MOM" for no reason. As to your point about play calling, you are partially correct in that, in some situations, PG's look back at their benches to see IF A CHANGE SHOULD BE MADE, i.e., if the D switches from man to zone or vice versa. Most trusted PG's are given the freedom to call plays based on what they see in the defense that is in front of them - that skill is developed on the practice floor based on one, two or three days of playing against a scout team, running the current opponent's most likely plays, AND also playing AS A MEMBER OF THE SCOUT TEAM during those practices - that's what good coaches do. A little more in-depth than "Joe Blow is a lefty, now go play with energy" or "This team is better than us now go play with energy and remember, it's all about the MAAC". Good coaches and good PG's get direction in the huddle - our kids get their ear wax melted or watch one of their teammates get his ass reamed. Coaches will many times give a signal to one of the players bringing the ball inbounds or up court if a specific play is called based on the current situation (Note I said when bringing the ball up court, not after getting the ball over midcourt and then wondering what now??), that player, if not the PG, will pass that info onto his teammates. JP's system involves screams and "Hey look at me!!!" signals that, besides telling his players that coach had a momentary brain fart, alerts the other team to the fact that "A PLAY IS BEING CALLED" - if that team has a decent coach and ran an average scout/prep practice, they'd know to look at the Mark Thomas suit for A HINT of what we might try to run - might be a clue to why so many shot clock violations when our offense completely stalls.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 22:23:53 GMT -5
Thank you for everyone imparting their knowledge of the game on me and setting me straight. I truly appreciate it and continue to learn so much about the game of basketball, coaching and the Siena Saints on here. It has truly been enlightening. I never realized how much true knowledge I lacked until I joined this site. My years of playing, coaching and being a season ticket holder have been wasted up until now. Go Saints!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 22:29:09 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your basketball knowledge resume with all of us. Very impressive! So is it trust in players that you have an issue with or is it coaching style, or both? I guess my inferior knowledge of the game is not allowing me to follow your expert analysis. BTW, is your knowledge only built on being a fan, season ticket holder for multiple teams and friend of NBA Scouts or have you played and coached the game at the college level too? Just curios. Just a bit of advice - you are biting off way more than you can chew - jumping from a ? about GB playing to coaching at the collegiate level as a basis for her analysis, confirms your first statement, the one about your inferior knowledge. One doesn't have to coach at the collegiate level to have a knowledge of the game that affords their views and critiques with a degree of respect and consideration. GB knows the game, both from coaching, viewing from the cheap seats in countless venues, and from very in-depth technical discussions with so many of our previous players. She wasn't knicknamed " TEAM MOM" for no reason. As to your point about play calling, you are partially correct in that, in some situations, PG's look back at their benches to see IF A CHANGE SHOULD BE MADE, i.e., if the D switches from man to zone or vice versa. Most trusted PG's are given the freedom to call plays based on what they see in the defense that is in front of them - that skill is developed on the practice floor based on one, two or three days of playing against a scout team, running the current opponent's most likely plays, AND also playing AS A MEMBER OF THE SCOUT TEAM during those practices - that's what good coaches do. A little more in-depth than "Joe Blow is a lefty, now go play with energy" or "This team is better than us now go play with energy and remember, it's all about the MAAC". Good coaches and good PG's get direction in the huddle - our kids get their ear wax melted or watch one of their teammates get his ass reamed. Coaches will many times give a signal to one of the players bringing the ball inbounds or up court if a specific play is called based on the current situation (Note I said when bringing the ball up court, not after getting the ball over midcourt and then wondering what now??), that player, if not the PG, will pass that info onto his teammates. JP's system involves screams and "Hey look at me!!!" signals that, besides telling his players that coach had a momentary brain fart, alerts the other team to the fact that "A PLAY IS BEING CALLED" - if that team has a decent coach and ran an average scout/prep practice, they'd know to look at the Mark Thomas suit for A HINT of what we might try to run - might be a clue to why so many shot clock violations when our offense completely stalls. par·a·graph ˈperəˌɡraf/ noun noun: paragraph; plural noun: paragraphs 1. a distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering. synonyms: section, subdivision, part, subsection, division, portion, segment, passage
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2017 22:58:18 GMT -5
Just a bit of advice - you are biting off way more than you can chew - jumping from a ? about GB playing to coaching at the collegiate level as a basis for her analysis, confirms your first statement, the one about your inferior knowledge. One doesn't have to coach at the collegiate level to have a knowledge of the game that affords their views and critiques with a degree of respect and consideration. GB knows the game, both from coaching, viewing from the cheap seats in countless venues, and from very in-depth technical discussions with so many of our previous players. She wasn't knicknamed " TEAM MOM" for no reason. As to your point about play calling, you are partially correct in that, in some situations, PG's look back at their benches to see IF A CHANGE SHOULD BE MADE, i.e., if the D switches from man to zone or vice versa. Most trusted PG's are given the freedom to call plays based on what they see in the defense that is in front of them - that skill is developed on the practice floor based on one, two or three days of playing against a scout team, running the current opponent's most likely plays, AND also playing AS A MEMBER OF THE SCOUT TEAM during those practices - that's what good coaches do. A little more in-depth than "Joe Blow is a lefty, now go play with energy" or "This team is better than us now go play with energy and remember, it's all about the MAAC". Good coaches and good PG's get direction in the huddle - our kids get their ear wax melted or watch one of their teammates get his ass reamed. Coaches will many times give a signal to one of the players bringing the ball inbounds or up court if a specific play is called based on the current situation (Note I said when bringing the ball up court, not after getting the ball over midcourt and then wondering what now??), that player, if not the PG, will pass that info onto his teammates. JP's system involves screams and "Hey look at me!!!" signals that, besides telling his players that coach had a momentary brain fart, alerts the other team to the fact that "A PLAY IS BEING CALLED" - if that team has a decent coach and ran an average scout/prep practice, they'd know to look at the Mark Thomas suit for A HINT of what we might try to run - might be a clue to why so many shot clock violations when our offense completely stalls. par·a·graph ˈperəˌɡraf/ noun noun: paragraph; plural noun: paragraphs 1. a distinct section of a piece of writing, usually dealing with a single theme and indicated by a new line, indentation, or numbering. synonyms: section, subdivision, part, subsection, division, portion, segment, passage Who cares it’s message board not a doctoral dissertation.
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Post by ballermom21 on Dec 21, 2017 23:04:16 GMT -5
Really enjoyed watching this team lasr night. I thought during stretches a number of guys played well,including Fisher. For the most part he played within himself, did some good thing's with rebounding, making picks, and contributed to moving the ball around and keeping the offense going. He has to learn to jump without fouling. Even if he can't jump high, at 6'9" you can altar shots. Friday continues to impress me in stretches. If given the chance he can be an offensive low post difference maker for us, including getting to the line and making foul shots. Richard not a true point guard at this level. Does not have a good enough handle or good enough moves to get by people all the way to the hoop. That being said, I really like Richard. He should be getting lots of minutes game in and game out so we do not need him to be either a point or sitting on the bench. I would start Friday, Nico, Penn, Richard, and Shivers and let Horn be the first one off the bench replacing Shivers. Again, nice job fellas. Just need to have that 40 minute mentality rather than tightening up and being worried about shooting in the last 10 minutes of a close game. Saw a lot of passed up open looks in the last 10min where we end up getting a worse shot because of that, including Penns three that went in. If your going to have Nico roaming the baseline like you did, when he's open as he was a number of different time last night, throw the ball up there every once in awhile for him to go get it. It doesn't have to be a dunk as long as it's close enough for him to catch and put it in. This will also free him up for coming out across picks for the jumper or quick curl around in going to the hoop. In closing, hopefully that was not the play for Horn to get the ball and shoot a contested three like he did without even coming off a pick? If it was that was the worse last shot designed play I have ever seen. Did you not think they would be covering the guy who made (8) 3 pt.'ers that game? To not even roll him off the pick to free him up or to not have 2nd and 3rd options would again be inept coaching if that were the case? Ok. They have looked good against Louisville and Memphis for good parts of the game. Let's see if they can carry that mentality against lesser opponets in actually winning games? Seriously, Shivers has been very inconsistent lately. Shooting has been off (outside Vermont game) turnovers up. Rebounding, so so. I'd start Nico and Bring Shivers off the bench. I’m thinking he’s not 100%! He should probably get additional rehab, and not get rushed to play.
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Post by ballermom21 on Dec 21, 2017 23:08:44 GMT -5
Seriously, Shivers has been very inconsistent lately. Shooting has been off (outside Vermont game) turnovers up. Rebounding, so so. I'd start Nico and Bring Shivers off the bench. I’m thinking he’s not 100%! He should probably get additional rehab, and not get rushed to play. Shivers^^^
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