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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 10:16:53 GMT -5
Fun game to watch last night. The difference between the 1st half and 2nd half was easy to see, Memphis upped the defensive intensity and made it more difficult for Siena to get into their sets. (they also had 10 offensive rebounds in the last 15 or so minutes of the game, which hurt a lot.) Like is often the case when mids play Majors, Memphis's man sized athletes overwhelmed the younger, smaller Saints late. I don't think Memphis is as bad as some on this board. They'll be a mid pack team in the AAC. Hitting 14 3's can overcome a lot of shortcomings to be sure, but credit has to go to the Saints for taking Memphis' punch in the face and continuing to battle ... with a chance to tie it late. I though Siena's offense was pretty good for the most part ... they got a lot of really good looks (and hit them). Yes, there were a 3 or 4 shot clock violations and Penn hit a prayer of a 3, but the ball movement resulted in a lot of open looks, especially Horn and Richard who combined for 11 3 pointers. And, they played for much of the night without Nico on the court due to fouls. Siena held their own on the defensive end of the court and rebounding, plus got the majority of the 50/50 balls all night. Key play in the game, I thought, was the near steal which ended up with 2 Saints on the floor and a dunk and one. (Think it fouled Fisher out of the game). There was a lot to like last night. Horn's confidence has to be at an all time high after the last two games. I thought Fisher played well, he really battled on the boards. Penn was solid all night long, he seems to get better every game. Richard, outside of the 3 turnovers right in a row, played well last night. Clareth played within himself but needs to avoid dumb fouls early that come back to haunt him later in the game. He really is a talented offensive player when he plays within the system. I didn't like the last sequence that resulted in Horn trying to create his own 3. I'd have had Penn/Richard/Shivers try to get to the rim (to either score or kick for a 3), there was still 17 seconds left, enough time to try and extend the game. Just like I said after the Louisville game, if Siena plays with the focus and intensity that they did last night (or against Louisville in the first half), they'll be difficult to beat in the MAAC. This team is not going to be pretty, it's all about out-efforting the opponent. Agreed and well said.
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 21, 2017 10:20:35 GMT -5
I would like to think with JP giving Penn the minutes he does he must have confidence in him.So with that being the case let him call out the sets he shouldn't have to come down looking over at you all the time.It slows them down and also let's the defense get set.The 4or5times they pushed the ball they scored Richard with a corner 3 and Nico with i think to layups when he was trailing.I think it's time to let these guys play faster it works for them ,if your letting your PG play that many minutes and doesn't turn the ball over.Let him call the plays it's not like he has millions to choose from.Let them play JP i think they've earned your trust by know.Go Saints Really? Show me another D1 program that has their freshmen point guard calling out offensive sets? That makes no sense whatsoever. Agree playing faster is the right thing to do, however it needs to be done at the right time, the right way.... rebound the other teams miss and get out and run the fast break, if you have open look, good shot is available, take it, if not, pull back, reset and run your offense.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 21, 2017 10:27:25 GMT -5
I think making them work on defense deep into the shot clock, broke them down and got us good looks throughout the game. IF Nico gives us anything normal in the 2nd half, we win that game going away. He's the only great athlete we have and was getting to the basket pretty easily on them in the first half. That element was missing in the 2nd half. Sure, Horn shot great and kept the game within reach, and according to some we cant take that? We're only allowed to accept it when he misses all his shots? Obviously he wont shot 66% from 3 consistently, but after seeing the last 2 games, 45-50% is def within reach and will help the team going forward.
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Post by gosaints on Dec 21, 2017 10:35:54 GMT -5
Really enjoyed watching this team lasr night. I thought during stretches a number of guys played well,including Fisher. For the most part he played within himself, did some good thing's with rebounding, making picks, and contributed to moving the ball around and keeping the offense going. He has to learn to jump without fouling. Even if he can't jump high, at 6'9" you can altar shots. Friday continues to impress me in stretches. If given the chance he can be an offensive low post difference maker for us, including getting to the line and making foul shots. Richard not a true point guard at this level. Does not have a good enough handle or good enough moves to get by people all the way to the hoop. That being said, I really like Richard. He should be getting lots of minutes game in and game out so we do not need him to be either a point or sitting on the bench. I would start Friday, Nico, Penn, Richard, and Shivers and let Horn be the first one off the bench replacing Shivers. Again, nice job fellas. Just need to have that 40 minute mentality rather than tightening up and being worried about shooting in the last 10 minutes of a close game. Saw a lot of passed up open looks in the last 10min where we end up getting a worse shot because of that, including Penns three that went in. If your going to have Nico roaming the baseline like you did, when he's open as he was a number of different time last night, throw the ball up there every once in awhile for him to go get it. It doesn't have to be a dunk as long as it's close enough for him to catch and put it in. This will also free him up for coming out across picks for the jumper or quick curl around in going to the hoop. In closing, hopefully that was not the play for Horn to get the ball and shoot a contested three like he did without even coming off a pick? If it was that was the worse last shot designed play I have ever seen. Did you not think they would be covering the guy who made (8) 3 pt.'ers that game? To not even roll him off the pick to free him up or to not have 2nd and 3rd options would again be inept coaching if that were the case? Ok. They have looked good against Louisville and Memphis for good parts of the game. Let's see if they can carry that mentality against lesser opponets in actually winning games? Seriously, Shivers has been very inconsistent lately. Shooting has been off (outside Vermont game) turnovers up. Rebounding, so so. I'd start Nico and Bring Shivers off the bench.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2017 10:45:07 GMT -5
Is Shivers fighting an injury?
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 10:48:33 GMT -5
I would like to think with JP giving Penn the minutes he does he must have confidence in him.So with that being the case let him call out the sets he shouldn't have to come down looking over at you all the time.It slows them down and also let's the defense get set.The 4or5times they pushed the ball they scored Richard with a corner 3 and Nico with i think to layups when he was trailing.I think it's time to let these guys play faster it works for them ,if your letting your PG play that many minutes and doesn't turn the ball over.Let him call the plays it's not like he has millions to choose from.Let them play JP i think they've earned your trust by know.Go Saints Really? Show me another D1 program that has their freshmen point guard calling out offensive sets? That makes no sense whatsoever. Agree playing faster is the right thing to do, however it needs to be done at the right time, the right way.... rebound the other teams miss and get out and run the fast break, if you have open look, good shot is available, take it, if not, pull back, reset and run your offense. Fran did it, Hewitt did it and there are just a few others on this list that I don't think had to look at the HC to run the offense; bleacherreport.com/articles/748520-college-basketball-power-rankings-top-40-point-guards-in-college-hoops-history
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 10:50:52 GMT -5
Is Shivers fighting an injury? If this is the case then why throw him out there over and over again. BTW...I agree with ballermom...UA sneakers are weird. The number of lost footing, slips, falls and pileups last night and throughout this season seems high to me.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 21, 2017 10:53:08 GMT -5
Is Shivers fighting an injury? If this is the case then why throw him out there over and over again. BTW...I agree with ballermom...UA sneakers are weird. The number of lost footing, slips, falls and pileups last night and throughout this season seems high to me. Not the first comment I’ve seen about UA shoes.
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Post by gosaints on Dec 21, 2017 10:54:27 GMT -5
Is Shivers fighting an injury? Lets hope not, I just think he's not playing instinctively and he's "thinking" to much. He need a "role" change to get back on track. Start Nico and let Shivers come off the bench.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 11:00:27 GMT -5
If this is the case then why throw him out there over and over again. BTW...I agree with ballermom...UA sneakers are weird. The number of lost footing, slips, falls and pileups last night and throughout this season seems high to me. Not the first comment I’ve seen about UA shoes. Ryan Oliver used to tell me that the sticky board by the scorers table was essential to him staying upright when they switched over to the UA shoes. As I no longer attend games live (please...you all know why so don't bother) I would have to depend on someone to tell me if these kids are using it...especially Nico.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 21, 2017 11:01:48 GMT -5
I think you guys are all too tough on Shivers.
He is shooting a better percentage from the floor than Nico (and the same percentage as Friday). He is outrebounding Nico by 1/2 a board a game and has more steals and, perhaps most importantly, he is playing out of position for large portions of the game.
Bigger concern, to me, is the turnovers, which mostly seem to be charges. He needs to figure out how to get to the rim without charging.
I am not saying he is playing great, his play has been up and down. The emergence of Penn and Horn should allow him to be a complementary player rather than one trying to play one on one plays, something I think he better suited for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:03:06 GMT -5
I'm ok with Nico coming off the bench. He lives emotion. I think, within this team's flow, he's more effective coming off the bench.
He's fouled out of 4 games already this year so it's not like starting him is guaranteed to lead to him playing more mins. He just needs to play smarter for that to happen.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 21, 2017 11:07:02 GMT -5
Really? Show me another D1 program that has their freshmen point guard calling out offensive sets? That makes no sense whatsoever. Agree playing faster is the right thing to do, however it needs to be done at the right time, the right way.... rebound the other teams miss and get out and run the fast break, if you have open look, good shot is available, take it, if not, pull back, reset and run your offense. Fran did it, Hewitt did it and there are just a few others on this list that I don't think had to look at the HC to run the offense; bleacherreport.com/articles/748520-college-basketball-power-rankings-top-40-point-guards-in-college-hoops-history When did Hewitt have a freshman point guard? He had Freeney for his first two seasons and Stewart for his 3rd season. Plus, when was Hewitt's team known for their prowess in half court sets?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:07:42 GMT -5
I'd like to see Penn get more aggressive. When he does stuff, it's usually good. I want more of that stuff.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 21, 2017 11:11:41 GMT -5
When did Hewitt have a freshman point guard? He had Freeney for his first two seasons and Stewart for his 3rd season. Plus, when was Hewitt's team known for their prowess in half court sets? Ok shoot me now; point is successful coaches ENTRUST. there is the key element that is missing. Look I am trying to see some silver lining here
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