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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:33:56 GMT -5
It will be really heartbreaking for Penn though when PPC takes over as interim coach and benches him for Richard. Since you brought me in to this I will comment. long rebounds come from alot of 3's ..the small guards run those down. They are more like loose balls. So after playing 40 mins per game Penn should be able to grab a bunch of them after the bigs box out. How come Richard isn't grabbing all those easy boards? Or are all these special rebounding 'plays' designed only for Penn...
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Post by hoopdad on Dec 18, 2017 16:45:45 GMT -5
Since you brought me in to this I will comment. long rebounds come from alot of 3's ..the small guards run those down. They are more like loose balls. So after playing 40 mins per game Penn should be able to grab a bunch of them after the bigs box out. How come Richard isn't grabbing all those easy boards? Or are all these special rebounding 'plays' designed only for Penn... Actually if you have watched the games, many for Romans' rebounds come from under the basket and in the paint.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:59:03 GMT -5
The schedule is #37 in the country Who cares? SF says it's a "typical JP schedule." (last years was even stronger) Facts arent big when he discusses the program. What he fails to acknowledge is we're playing the BEST team in each of those conferences. He didnt schedule yesterdays game. That came with the Louisville, Memphis package. Truth is if we won one of the OT games, we'd be 4-7 right now, or both we'd be 5-6 and people would be pleasantly surprised with so many new faces. Let the bashing continue..... Truth is they lost both OT games and sit at 3-8. This after a 4-9 start last year. Notice a pattern, Mr.Stout?
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Post by Tony on Dec 19, 2017 5:11:59 GMT -5
I’m not really sure why anyone is arguing about Jimmy, he has a 14 year history as head coach and is 1/3 thru his 5th year at Siena. The guy will never be a consistent winner at Siena, on other hand he won’t be consistent loser either. He will be around 500 most years- some years a little better some years a little worse. He will struggle against top mid major teams and beat bottom 100 teams in RPI likes a drum. He will sloooowly kill the Siena program with mediocre finishes. He will seldom ( if ever) get to NCAA and if he does he will be a 15 or 16 seed. He will not be a top recruiter since he takes most of Mid-march to late August off every year. I mean say what you want about the man, the myth Jimmy Patsos he is amazingly consistently mediocre. If you want a top mid major JP isn’t your man, if you want to beat UA at least half the time, JP isn’t your man. If you want a better program than Iona, Vermont etc than JP isn’t your man. If you are looking for top mid major talent- JP isn’t your man. If you want to win the MAAC regular season then JP isnt your man. If you want a consistent team that doesn’t stink, then JP is your man, if you want a team that usually plays hard then JP is your man. If you want a top 4-5-6 MAAC finish then JP is your man
We are in December – nothing going to happen, the JP fluffers need to stop praising JP or setting bait about how “difficult” the schedule was etc, the haters need to stop calling for his firing every thread- can’t we all just get along till at least February..LOL
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 19, 2017 6:27:17 GMT -5
Since you brought me in to this I will comment. long rebounds come from alot of 3's ..the small guards run those down. They are more like loose balls. So after playing 40 mins per game Penn should be able to grab a bunch of them after the bigs box out. Do you watch the games? He consistently goes up and gets balls against the big boys. The kid had 19, 9, 4 and 3 steals and only 2 turnovers and the offense not thing you say is to criticize how he gets some of his rebounds? You could make the case that Penn has been the best player on the team after the first 2 games (and there’s a stronger case there than the case that Richard is a better PG than Penn). What we know is that Penn is a 40 min player and plays 1 position. That hurts the development of anyone else at that spot. He is learning on the job. Richard is a better player and everyone knows that. Put Penn at the 2 and see what he does there. Smithen has earned the right to play as well. So thats my issue. No one should play 40 mins. Not the players fault either. I dont expect the player to say take me out coach.
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Post by glen on Dec 19, 2017 7:53:29 GMT -5
Sorry PPC, I disagree - to some extent. Richard and Smithen are decent players for sure but Penn is the better PG. Richard is simply out of control at the point. He can put points on the board though. I would spell Penn with Kadeem. He's more under control and adds a different dimension. He doesn't seem to score at all though but his D is a plus.
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Post by knicksaint on Dec 19, 2017 7:53:58 GMT -5
[quote author=" playerparentcoach" Richard is a better player and everyone knows that. [/quote] Jimmy doesn’t know it, the staff doesn’t know it and neither do the vast majority of the fans.
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Post by siena95 on Dec 19, 2017 8:41:04 GMT -5
maybe when the bright lights aren't on Richard is a better player, but seems like he gets a bit antsy when he has the ball in his hands.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 19, 2017 9:39:59 GMT -5
I like Richard as an instant offense kind of guy. He can score and create his own shot. But, his handle is, to put it mildly, loose. If I am an opposing team, I would press Siena 100% of the time that Penn is on the bench, especially if Richard is handling the point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 10:04:01 GMT -5
I like Richard as an instant offense kind of guy. He can score and create his own shot. But, his handle is, to put it mildly, loose. If I am an opposing team, I would press Siena 100% of the time that Penn is on the bench, especially if Richard is handling the point. Yeah, this is perhaps the #1 reason he shouldn't be a PG. There are way too many times the dribble almost gets away from him. He had that one play vs. Bryant where he dribbled the ball over his head and got lucky they didn't call a carry before he recovered and shot a floater. Plus, like Nico, he tends to shuffle his feet. That stuff happens too often with him. The PG needs to be a little more sure handed. Some will certainly disagree but I think Horn is actually more sure handed than him too.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 19, 2017 10:24:50 GMT -5
I like Richard as an instant offense kind of guy. He can score and create his own shot. But, his handle is, to put it mildly, loose. If I am an opposing team, I would press Siena 100% of the time that Penn is on the bench, especially if Richard is handling the point. Yeah, this is perhaps the #1 reason he shouldn't be a PG. There are way too many times the dribble almost gets away from him. He had that one play vs. Bryant where he dribbled the ball over his head and got lucky they didn't call a carry before he recovered and shot a floater. Plus, like Nico, he tends to shuffle his feet. That stuff happens too often with him. The PG needs to be a little more sure handed. Some will certainly disagree but I think Horn is actually more sure handed than him too. The book isn't written on Horn yet. Let him get some confidence and then we'll see what he can do. He seems to play "smart" and does some little things that can help the team. I don't see him as a point guard but think he can develop into a pretty good offensive option as he learns to play off the ball.
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Post by knicksaint on Dec 19, 2017 13:32:34 GMT -5
Horn did go coast to coast at Charleston to tie the game at the buzzer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 13:54:38 GMT -5
Horn did go coast to coast at Charleston to tie the game at the buzzer. He mostly just needs his threes to start going in. He's 8 of 12 within the arc with a 4/3 assist ratio...nothing wrong with that. Once the 3's start going in more consistently, he'll look a lot better in people's eyes. The fact is, the way the offense has run, he hasn't really had a lot of clean looks. Half the time he was playing PG and taking end of shotclock contested threes. He's not really a PG and while over the long run he can probably make a lot of those end of shotclock threes (like he did in HS and vs. Bryant) he would be much more effective getting cleaner looks within a quality offense. I still think he's a potentially better/quicker version of Ryan Oliver. He just hasn't had the opportunity that Penn has had to settle into a role meant for him. He played that role more vs. Bryant and started to find his confidence. Hopefully, he starts doing more Khalil Richard type things for us as the season moves forward.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 19, 2017 14:41:22 GMT -5
From what I've seen, he doesn't look like he is used to playing off the ball. I believe he was the point guard in high school ... it's a transition to move to the off guard and play against bigger stronger opponents than he saw in high school.
As he gets more adept at moving without the ball, his shots will start to go down.
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 19, 2017 15:01:56 GMT -5
From what I've seen, he doesn't look like he is used to playing off the ball. I believe he was the point guard in high school ... it's a transition to move to the off guard and play against bigger stronger opponents than he saw in high school. As he gets more adept at moving without the ball, his shots will start to go down. and it sure would be nice for the staff to find ways to get guys shots.......rather than expecting them to break a defender off the dribble all the time.............how about running a number of screens on every play, not just for the ball handler, the off ball screening is critical but we don't hardly do any of that.................again, JP has not shown the acumen for schematic sets to play to the players strengths, and sadly he is stubborn as heck...................
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