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Post by Quackman on Dec 18, 2017 9:37:19 GMT -5
Some thoughts:
1. Going inside doesn't just mean having the bigs score ... it means they want the ball to get inside perimeter defense whenever possible. Could be via a pass to a big, where they have the option to try and score or move the ball around, but it also means having your guards/wings break down the perimeter defense off the bounce. They did a lot of that yesterday (in part because Bryant's defense was so poor). That's why they were getting so many good looks.
2. As for ball movement/passing, there is a common theme to this year ... when teams are not overly aggressive in pressuring the ball on the perimeter, Siena's ball movement looks good. It's when teams get up in their face out to the 3 point line that they struggle. We'll see if they are able to make the adjustments as the year goes along. A team like Manhattan will be a real challenge given their playing style. Penn's developing confidence should help with that.
3. Speaking of Penn, he's pretty good. Good looking shot, can drive and plays solid defense. Oh, and he doesn't turn the ball over. A good corner piece to build around.
4. Re: Prince, he's a freshman big. Gonna have good games/bad games. In a bit of a rut right now, it happens. He'll be fine.
5. A couple of the charge calls on Shivers yesterday were really tough calls. He does drop his shoulder a bit but no way was the dude from Bryant in position on at least 2 of them.
6. Overall, just what this team needed after the brutal stretch to start the season. A comfortable win where a bunch of guys got extended run. Hopefully a game like this will help Horn with his confidence. Good to see Smithen back in the rotation and being productive.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 18, 2017 11:06:22 GMT -5
6. because every siena team needs a come-down scheduled soon after playing 2 America East teams, 1 Northeast team, 2 CAA teams and 2 patriot league teams and an Atlantic Sun team.
CAA is ranked 12th Atlantic Sun ranked 23rd behind the MAAC 22nd Northeast ranked 25th Patriot ranked 26th America East ranked 28th
lets stop with how difficult a schedule the coach and admins created. This schedule is mediocre and when the Conference schedule starts we will rapidly see just how mediocre it really is
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2017 11:19:44 GMT -5
I actually think the schedule was a very good schedule- the type I’d like to see every year. Problem that type of schedule is a mid-major schedule not a low major schedule. And hey let’s face it Jimmy views Siena as low major- look at the tournaments he get Siena into every year. Just about all the other teams are low major teams
I’ve accepted Siena as low major and the losses no longer bother me, I do think Jimmy’s salary should be adjusted accordingly – in fact I believe he should be terminated , but I agree that’s not happening anytime soon
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 18, 2017 11:22:59 GMT -5
I actually think the schedule was a very good schedule- the type I’d like to see every year. Problem that type of schedule is a mid-major schedule not a low major schedule. And hey let’s face it Jimmy views Siena as low major- look at the tournaments he get Siena into every year. Just about all the other teams are low major teams I’ve accepted Siena as low major and the losses no longer bother me, I do think Jimmy’s salary should be adjusted accordingly – in fact I believe he should be terminated , but I agree that’s not happening anytime soon i dont fully agree. I think this was a very typical Patsos schedule that JUST HAPPENED to work out for the stronger because some of the teams that are regularly on the schedule JUST HAPPEN to be stronger than normal. 6 of the games are against teams from worse conferences than the 22nd ranked MAAC. This was what i anticipate to be a rebuilding year schedule for a strong mid major
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 18, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -5
6. because every siena team needs a come-down scheduled soon after playing 2 America East teams, 1 Northeast team, 2 CAA teams and 2 patriot league teams and an Atlantic Sun team. CAA is ranked 12th Atlantic Sun ranked 23rd behind the MAAC 22nd Northeast ranked 25th Patriot ranked 26th America East ranked 28th lets stop with how difficult a schedule the coach and admins created. This schedule is mediocre and when the Conference schedule starts we will rapidly see just how mediocre it really is The schedule is #37 in the country (maybe worse now that we played a botto-feeder, but still a very strong schedule). Why are we worried about what conference the teams are in? Does it matter? I’d much rather have played Fordham, Duquesne, East Carolina, or other bottomfeeders from top 10 conferences than the teams we’ve played. Let’s look at the teams. Both A-East teams, The A-Sun team, and CAA team we lost to are all in the top 13 of the mid-major top 25 poll on CollegeInsider. Bucknell is receiving votes and isn’t in it only because their schedule has been even tougher than ours so they’ve taken some hits, but they are a projected NCAA Tournament team. That leaves Lehigh from the PL, who won 20 games last year and we lost to in OT on the road. We beat Hofstra (CAA) at home (beaten Dayton on a neutral and beat 2 MAAC teams most would pick ahead of us on the road) and handled both NEC team. We are 1 win off what should have been expected against the schedule we have, and we lost that game in OT. I can’t wait for MAAC play when you could make a case that every team we’ve played other than Lehigh, Hofstra, RMU, and Bryant would have been favored to win the MAAC. Iona (the best team in our league) is not even receiving votes in that mid-major poll. I think the biggest thing I’ve been trying to say for awhile is we just don’t know on this team until we play teams who will the level of a typical MAAC team this year. We haven’t handled the championship-type teams well, but we are 3-1 in that 4 game group I am looking at and could have easily been 4-0. Let’s see how Holy Cross goes (final game in OOC that goes in that category) and the first 4 MAAC games (all very winnable) and then we start making calls on this team.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 18, 2017 11:57:31 GMT -5
6. because every siena team needs a come-down scheduled soon after playing 2 America East teams, 1 Northeast team, 2 CAA teams and 2 patriot league teams and an Atlantic Sun team. CAA is ranked 12th Atlantic Sun ranked 23rd behind the MAAC 22nd Northeast ranked 25th Patriot ranked 26th America East ranked 28th lets stop with how difficult a schedule the coach and admins created. This schedule is mediocre and when the Conference schedule starts we will rapidly see just how mediocre it really is I wasn't actually talking about the schedule, though I just don't get arguing that it isn't good. Whether they schedule them year in and year out or it's just "lucky" this year, Charleston, Vermont, Albany, Bucknell, FGCU and Hofstra are all regularly around the top of their respective conferences. It's a very challenging schedule that this team has not been up to (at least in even number games). That said, I was pointing out that going 2-8 against any schedule is a brutal stretch. It's hard to turn things around when the season isn't going your way. This team needed a confidence building win. The question is whether or not they can build off it. I guess we'll see. And, again, I am refraining from talking about the coaching staff (either this year or beyond). Whatever happens will happen in March. For now, I only care about what happens over the next 20 games. I'll be rooting for the Saints to win every game on their schedule. I'll be disappointed in the losses and happy after the wins.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 18, 2017 12:47:21 GMT -5
I actually think the schedule was a very good schedule- the type I’d like to see every year. Problem that type of schedule is a mid-major schedule not a low major schedule. And hey let’s face it Jimmy views Siena as low major- look at the tournaments he get Siena into every year. Just about all the other teams are low major teams I’ve accepted Siena as low major and the losses no longer bother me, I do think Jimmy’s salary should be adjusted accordingly – in fact I believe he should be terminated , but I agree that’s not happening anytime soon i dont fully agree. I think this was a very typical Patsos schedule that JUST HAPPENED to work out for the stronger because some of the teams that are regularly on the schedule JUST HAPPEN to be stronger than normal. 6 of the games are against teams from worse conferences than the 22nd ranked MAAC. This was what i anticipate to be a rebuilding year schedule for a strong mid major I agree that there is nothing extraordinary about this schedule for a solid mid major program but I do think you are getting hung up on the conference affiliation. Vermont and Albany are always at or near the top of there conference. Bucknell went to ncaas last year and three-peaked as regular season champs. Fgc ncaa tourney last two seasons. Then you have Louisville, St. Bonaventure and Memphis from higher rated conferences than us and generally better in any given year. And yes, some teams below us to balance it out. I think I agree with your main point though —- Siena should not be using this as an excuse to schedule down in subsequent years. We just need to get better.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 18, 2017 12:59:40 GMT -5
i dont fully agree. I think this was a very typical Patsos schedule that JUST HAPPENED to work out for the stronger because some of the teams that are regularly on the schedule JUST HAPPEN to be stronger than normal. 6 of the games are against teams from worse conferences than the 22nd ranked MAAC. This was what i anticipate to be a rebuilding year schedule for a strong mid major I agree that there is nothing extraordinary about this schedule for a solid mid major program but I do think you are getting hung up on the conference affiliation. Vermont and Albany are always at or near the top of there conference. Bucknell went to ncaas last year and three-peaked as regular season champs. Fgc ncaa tourney last two seasons. Then you have Louisville, St. Bonaventure and Memphis from higher rated conferences than us and generally better in any given year. And yes, some teams below us to balance it out. I think I agree with your main point though —- Siena should not be using this as an excuse to schedule down in subsequent years. We just need to get better. yes my point isnt necessarily to trash the schedule as much as it is to say that it isnt all that special yet somehow people want to twist it into some abnormally strong schedule. We play many of these teams every year. We are supposed to be better than most of these teams in most years. scheduling is not the problem. Recruiting, Coaching and Player Development are the three crumbling cornerstones
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 18, 2017 13:20:35 GMT -5
6. because every siena team needs a come-down scheduled soon after playing 2 America East teams, 1 Northeast team, 2 CAA teams and 2 patriot league teams and an Atlantic Sun team. CAA is ranked 12th Atlantic Sun ranked 23rd behind the MAAC 22nd Northeast ranked 25th Patriot ranked 26th America East ranked 28th lets stop with how difficult a schedule the coach and admins created. This schedule is mediocre and when the Conference schedule starts we will rapidly see just how mediocre it really is The schedule is #37 in the country Who cares? SF says it's a "typical JP schedule." (last years was even stronger) Facts arent big when he discusses the program. What he fails to acknowledge is we're playing the BEST team in each of those conferences. He didnt schedule yesterdays game. That came with the Louisville, Memphis package. Truth is if we won one of the OT games, we'd be 4-7 right now, or both we'd be 5-6 and people would be pleasantly surprised with so many new faces. Let the bashing continue.....
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Post by psycholojets on Dec 18, 2017 13:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 18, 2017 13:32:03 GMT -5
It will be really heartbreaking for Penn though when PPC takes over as interim coach and benches him for Richard. Since you brought me in to this I will comment. long rebounds come from alot of 3's ..the small guards run those down. They are more like loose balls. So after playing 40 mins per game Penn should be able to grab a bunch of them after the bigs box out.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 18, 2017 13:35:09 GMT -5
Cortisone is degenerative which is why you can only have so many in your lifetime. Jesus The Good Feet store is right on Wolfe Road. Somebody get the kid there for orthotics. Not something they are good at unfortunately. He needs to get his own doctor that specializes in it and get the orthodics fitted for him.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 18, 2017 13:36:29 GMT -5
It will be really heartbreaking for Penn though when PPC takes over as interim coach and benches him for Richard. Since you brought me in to this I will comment. long rebounds come from alot of 3's ..the small guards run those down. They are more like loose balls. So after playing 40 mins per game Penn should be able to grab a bunch of them after the bigs box out. Do you watch the games? He consistently goes up and gets balls against the big boys. The kid had 19, 9, 4 and 3 steals and only 2 turnovers and the offense not thing you say is to criticize how he gets some of his rebounds? You could make the case that Penn has been the best player on the team after the first 2 games (and there’s a stronger case there than the case that Richard is a better PG than Penn).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:04:56 GMT -5
Since Penn has been starting in game 3, he is the leading rebounder on Siena.
5.4 rpg in 33.2 mpg.
Over the last 6 games, he's been averaging 6.3 rpg and has had 7 or more rebounds in 4 of those 6.
He has been 1 rebound short of a double double twice in the last 5 games.
Penn is also the team leader in steals and has been rapidly climbing in that regard over those last 5 games.
So, Roman Penn is pacing the team in assists, A/TO, rebounding, steals, and is the most efficient, by far, scorer on offense with a points per shot of 1.51 having scored the 3rd most points (103) on just 68 shots.
Right now, everyone on the team should be asking themselves...'How can I be more like Penn?'
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Post by rickyp on Dec 18, 2017 14:12:57 GMT -5
So 4other players combined played 21 more minutes then Penn collected 4 more rebounds then him.One other player played 30min and collected 1rebound.So Penn was averaging 1rebound every 4.3 minutes and those other 4players 4.5every minute.So in actuality they should have had 5more rebounds then Penn,being they played 21more minutes then he did.Good job by the bigs blocking out oh yeah those other 5players are guards.So PPC you are correct by Penn playing more minutes he gets more chances for long rebounds.I AGREE
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