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Post by Tony on Nov 22, 2017 4:40:21 GMT -5
Looking ahead at next 6 games- Saints will be underdogs in at least 5 of them
Saturday home Hofstra – well good news is game is home so we have punchers chance. Pride currently 3-2 with win over Dayton- probable loss
11/29 Bonnies same deal at home so we have a chance. But Bonnies much more talented than Siena - probable loss
12/2- home vs Robert Morris- Saints need to win this one or we might be a awhile before 1st win. RMU just beat A10 member Duquesne- so this game is no gimme
Next three after that @louisville ( loss) home vs Albany- Will Brown has way more talent and Brown out coaches Jimmy every year, after that @ Vermont- again way more talent and much better coach . Those 3 almost guaranteed losses
Sorry not seeing much better than 2-8—and even that might be a stretch 1-9 more likely and yikes 0-10 isn’t off table
I know we have some difference of opinion out here, but I am of opinion , not a lot of D1 talent on roster. I guess we shall see in next 2 to 3 weeks
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Post by glen on Nov 22, 2017 7:18:59 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with your win/loss analysis Tony, I do think there's enough talent on this team. College hoop is one of those sports where the coach makes all the difference in the world. I guarantee that if Fran, Deane or Hewitt had the reigns with these exact same guys the complexion of this season would be different. Would we beat Bucknell or FGCU? Maybe not but we'd have been competitive.
Could the recruiting be at a higher level? Yes, I think it could be. That said, we've scored ~90 pts in several games. Defense is our bigger issue. Heck, our 2-3 zone is so bad that not only do opposing teams hit 3's, they score inside and foul out our bigs. Wait, you say, isn't the zone supposed to prevent inside scoring and protect the bigs? Why yes, yes, it is. That's THE COACH!
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 22, 2017 7:36:35 GMT -5
While I don't disagree with your win/loss analysis Tony, I do think there's enough talent on this team. College hoop is one of those sports where the coach makes all the difference in the world. I guarantee that if Fran, Deane or Hewitt had the reigns with these exact same guys the complexion of this season would be different. Would we beat Bucknell or FGCU? Maybe not but we'd have been competitive. Could the recruiting be at a higher level? Yes, I think it could be. That said, we've scored ~90 pts in several games. Defense is our bigger issue. Heck, our 2-3 zone is so bad that not only do opposing teams hit 3's, they score inside and foul out our bigs. Wait, you say, isn't the zone supposed to prevent inside scoring and protect the bigs? Why yes, yes, it is. That's THE COACH! Glen, I respectfully disagree. Without a doubt, recruiting has been awful for 5+ years. Clareth and MAYBE Oduro (A lot remains to be seen) are the ONLY caliber players that are "usual" for Siena. The rest have fatal deficiencies that are EXACTLY why they were lightly recruited to the D1 level and in fact this Siena team has more recruits signed that had ZERO D1 offers than ANY team in the history of the (D1) program. The team is slow and lacks athleticism. No shot blocking to speak of. No lock down defender. No real go to guy on offense. There is little redeeming quality to this roster. There. I said it. There hasn't been for five+ years.
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Post by stbernie on Nov 22, 2017 8:14:36 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 8:35:16 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. You seem to discount the other number "4" that colors our reaction to the 0-4 start - the four preceding years under this coach!
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Post by stbernie on Nov 22, 2017 8:44:10 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. You seem to discount the other number "4" that colors our reaction to the 0-4 start - the four preceding years under this coach! If you don't like it then find a new team...you cant change anything and should stop beating a dead horse. What will we complain about next in life...Its college basketball relax and enjoy watching the game or get out.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 22, 2017 8:59:59 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. You seem to discount the other number "4" that colors our reaction to the 0-4 start - the four preceding years under this coach! Another Rex relative perhaps?
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 22, 2017 9:03:10 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. Errrrrr SB we haven't been good at anything related to basketball! Hate to break it to ya' but those green and gold glasses are obscuring your vision and bias BIG TIME! Less faith last year with 4 1k scores. The chemistry issue last was related to a coach that's clueless. That take is priceless.
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Post by siena95 on Nov 22, 2017 9:10:58 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. The out rebounded Bucknell because they shot roughly 87% from the field... very few opportunities for boards!
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Post by indian82 on Nov 22, 2017 9:55:40 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. I really hope you're right. I will be there and rooting them on, but I will admit I am not optimistic. I don't disagree about your progression statement above (although I am not sure we saw much progression the last game (except the number of points we scored - but I even take that with a grain of salt) when we got beat by 20+ and the opponent scored 115) , but I think it has to be qualified. Yes, I would certainly give these young guys time to develop and would be optimistic if this was 4 or 5 years ago (JPs first or 2nd year here). But I am looking at this from the bigger picture. 5 years in and NO seniors to lead this young group. It's the lazy recruiting and cavalier attitude that irks me, highlighting in the way we lost the one recruit while JP was on vacation where he said he was not treated the way he expected (dont remember the details - no one around to show him the campus?). Sorry - but that is a coach's bread and butter and he is getting paid well to do that. And there's always an excuse I will root these guys on and hope we see development, it's not their fault - plus they are student/athletes at my alma mater. But at what point should we expect to see growth & progression in the program as a whole? I just don't see a good vision and long-term plan. I hope they surprise me and have a competitive season. Two out of the next 3 at home will certainly give me some reason for optimism.
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Post by stbernie on Nov 22, 2017 9:56:24 GMT -5
I firmly believe Siena will win 2 of their next 3 at home. If they do can we start being a little more positive? Penn has game and so does Shivers, Nico, Oduro, Smithen and Richards. Teams are not about having the best all around players, but having players be good at their specific roles. We haven't been good at rebounding and we out rebounded our last 2 opponents. We weren't good at moving the ball and now were doing that. We learn quick and I think everyone will be surprised to see them play defense Sat at the TU. Look, its not about the record or the opponents, its about seeing progression and there has been exactly that every game so far. Have faith and start believing in this team...I had less faith last year due to the chemistry and lack of execution. Its a long season and you all gave up 4 games in. Its sad. The out rebounded Bucknell because they shot roughly 87% from the field... very few opportunities for boards! Look at the offensive rebound category....Siena 16 Bucknell 5....that's why we out rebounded them...another good point you made is they shot insane just like Lehigh. You can't beat teams that shoot that good and you know that. Last years team didn't work hard at anything....They passed up on the opportunities to be good and it comes down to preparation and not everyone put the work in where it mattered. Last years team was drama filled and I can promise you that no team wins that way. Ill say it again...that fact that none of you can see the positives makes it clear you don't know basketball at its roots, but instead come here to complain. Either that or you are all sore losers because I would much rather watch a cohesive bunch of improving FRESHMAN than the crap filled drama I watched last year.
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Post by clickclack on Nov 22, 2017 10:01:21 GMT -5
Looking ahead at next 6 games- Saints will be underdogs in at least 5 of them Saturday home Hofstra – well good news is game is home so we have punchers chance. Pride currently 3-2 with win over Dayton- probable loss 11/29 Bonnies same deal at home so we have a chance. But Bonnies much more talented than Siena - probable loss 12/2- home vs Robert Morris- Saints need to win this one or we might be a awhile before 1st win. RMU just beat A10 member Duquesne- so this game is no gimme Next three after that @louisville ( loss) home vs Albany- Will Brown has way more talent and Brown out coaches Jimmy every year, after that @ Vermont- again way more talent and much better coach . Those 3 almost guaranteed losses Sorry not seeing much better than 2-8—and even that might be a stretch 1-9 more likely and yikes 0-10 isn’t off table I know we have some difference of opinion out here, but I am of opinion , not a lot of D1 talent on roster. I guess we shall see in next 2 to 3 weeks From afar, Siena's big problem is that defense. Score 90 and 92pts and still lose? Offense isn't your issue. Siena has 296th ranked defense. I think that's bad. Bucknell has a 52nd ranked offense Albany has a 73rd ranked offense and UVM has 72nd ranked offense. Yeah, this may be a problem.
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Post by rickyp on Nov 22, 2017 10:08:14 GMT -5
Oh yeah as we come to this day of doubt where we start to question the leader and leadership.And the people our leader has recruited and the fans that don't like the talent of the players he's recruited.We have come to the dead horse reference we have come too firing the coach 4games into a season.We have come to hiring back a beloved coach who in a power 5 conference who's fans want him gone.Yeah let's bring back the glory days of good old Fran he can recruit talent here,or develop lower talent.I say we ban together brotheren that's not a word i think.And protest to the highest cause that's the TUC this Saturday in front for JP's ouster i don't think that's a word either.One group at the front and the other by the team 🚌 entrance.Hold up our signs with JP you lazy recruiter non coaching whatever and the other sign You players are D2 low level talent with no offers(ooh yeah except Prince).Yeah if we really want change we must show we mean it protest don't go to games and give up season tickets.Then the administration will see our displeasure.Let's not just talk about we must be about.Like our great President said I'd fire those son of bitc#!$$ and that's what the administration should do with JP.The product he's putting out on the floor is worst then the disrespect for our flag.
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 22, 2017 10:15:12 GMT -5
The out rebounded Bucknell because they shot roughly 87% from the field... very few opportunities for boards! Look at the offensive rebound category....Siena 16 Bucknell 5....that's why we out rebounded them...another good point you made is they shot insane just like Lehigh. You can't beat teams that shoot that good and you know that. Last years team didn't work hard at anything....They passed up on the opportunities to be good and it comes down to preparation and not everyone put the work in where it mattered. Last years team was drama filled and I can promise you that no team wins that way. Ill say it again...that fact that none of you can see the positives makes it clear you don't know basketball at its roots, but instead come here to complain. Either that or you are all sore losers because I would much rather watch a cohesive bunch of improving FRESHMAN than the crap filled drama I watched last year. And yet the drama filled crap beat Bucknell on a neutral court. As far as the drama goes, we're 4 games in, just watch for an implosion, it's a Rex governed team .. it's coming, sure as the sunrises in the morning. Lehigh and Bucknell just shot lights out why? Cuz they're Ray Allen in disguise? Ah no, defensively we're not athletic enough, not fast enough, out of position undisciplined. How do you give up 100 pts with 8 min to go? Unheard of in college ball.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 22, 2017 10:21:36 GMT -5
Oh yeah as we come to this day of doubt where we start to question the leader and leadership.And the people our leader has recruited and the fans that don't like the talent of the players he's recruited.We have come to the dead horse reference we have come too firing the coach 4games into a season.We have come to hiring back a beloved coach who in a power 5 conference who's fans want him gone.Yeah let's bring back the glory days of good old Fran he can recruit talent here,or develop lower talent.I say we ban together brotheren that's not a word i think.And protest to the highest cause that's the TUC this Saturday in front for JP's ouster i don't think that's a word either.One group at the front and the other by the team 🚌 entrance.Hold up our signs with JP you lazy recruiter non coaching whatever and the other sign You players are D2 low level talent with no offers(ooh yeah except Prince).Yeah if we really want change we must show we mean it protest don't go to games and give up season tickets.Then the administration will see our displeasure.Let's not just talk about we must be about.Like our great President said I'd fire those son of bitc#!$$ and that's what the administration should do with JP.The product he's putting out on the floor is worst then the disrespect for our flag. way to exaggerate in attempt to make some point. The reality is that most siena fans have been supporting the team for far beyond your points of reference. EVERY long time Siena fan can attest that the talent level of the teams in the last 6 or 7 years has been a SIGNIFICANT step down. Those who have been fans of the team less than the last 7 or 8 years have only that point of reference. Its been a MAJOR step down. Hell... I think even our cross town rival clickclack would attest to this. The program isnt standing still its sliding backward.
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