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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5
The MAAC is so wide open right now, it's crazy. People are quick to judge Patsos on his history (which admittedly ain't great overall) but don't forget that almost every year he finds a way to put together a February run and get back around .500. At least Siena has an excuse that they're young. What's the excuse of the other MAAC teams, most of which who are maybe relying on 1 frosh and not 2 or 3? -Niagara has given up 107, 101, and 95 points the last 3 games. You can give them a pass on Minnesota but Robb is not playing well and he was their only real semblance of D and interior play. He has 0 blocks and is averaging just 3.5 boards thru 4 games. -Manhattan lost by 11 to the 284th ranked team on a neutral floor and needed overtime to beat the 323rd ranked team by 1 at home. -Iona can't get out of its own way. -St. Peter's is a mess...can't even get 26 boards a game. -CC has already lost to 2 sub 200 teams -Monmouth may have already lost Seaborn...and has 2 mostly lucky wins cause teams couldn't make FTs. I mean the best 2 teams right now are probably Rider and FF and FF lost to D2 Bridgeport. Yeah, Siena sucks but they're young and are rotating 12 contributors in and out and haven't even settled on a lineup yet. Patsos may yet find a way to make top 5 with this group. The league is wide open. All it will take is for them to figure it out in MAAC play...where Siena also only has to play Rider and Niagara once each. The level of Siena's play may be declining but so is that of the entire league. I blame the millenials. So if we can't compete with decent mid-majors now and the MAAC sucks bad and we happen to suck less it's acceptable? Not in my book. Boy it's about the MAAC is really catching on...meanwhile UA continues to grow an get better. No 8 in the college insiders latest top 25 ranking for mids! You and I are not the ones who set the goals. I doubt the President of Siena is in his office analyzing Kenpoms and RPIs. They're looking at competing in conference, values, and $$$. Top 5 is still in play until the games are played.
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Post by rickyp on Nov 22, 2017 13:10:02 GMT -5
The next six games can be what it is the next six games.If you listen to the announcer freshman will be that until conference play.I like this lineup to start games Smithen Nico Shivers Huerter and Prince.Then you have Richards Penn Horn Friday Bentley Fisher coming in.I really think Huerter can give you 6pt 4reb a night he just has to be more aggressive offensively.He's a good passer and can attack bigger 4 off the dribble.But that only happens when the ball moves.
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Post by glen on Nov 22, 2017 13:52:39 GMT -5
OI - is getting to .500 the bar we're at now? Not for me.
As for UA, they have a way to go to prove they are good. They've beaten a down Iona team (at home), a mediocre BU team, Yale (at home) and Oneonta (at home). Just because we stink (and wow, do we stink) doesn't mean UA is all that great. Let's see how they do at Memphis and UL - or even vs UVM. Their "up" wins are pretty few and far between. Still, kudos to them for being better than their cross-town rival.
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Post by MTS on Nov 22, 2017 14:21:56 GMT -5
So if we can't compete with decent mid-majors now and the MAAC sucks bad and we happen to suck less it's acceptable? Not in my book. Boy it's about the MAAC is really catching on...meanwhile UA continues to grow an get better. No 8 in the college insiders latest top 25 ranking for mids! You and I are not the ones who set the goals. I doubt the President of Siena is in his office analyzing Kenpoms and RPIs. They're looking at competing in conference, values, and $$$. Top 5 is still in play until the games are played. They only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$....values, my ass.
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Post by Papi on Nov 22, 2017 19:46:38 GMT -5
Siena college doesn't need the basketball team to win to be successful. It's goal is to educate not win basketball games. A few good seasons has some of you acting like this is Kentucky and demand championships for your million dollar donation.
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Post by diamonddog on Nov 22, 2017 21:29:35 GMT -5
OI - is getting to .500 the bar we're at now? Not for me. As for UA, they have a way to go to prove they are good. They've beaten a down Iona team (at home), a mediocre BU team, Yale (at home) and Oneonta (at home). Just because we stink (and wow, do we stink) doesn't mean UA is all that great. Let's see how they do at Memphis and UL - or even vs UVM. Their "up" wins are pretty few and far between. Still, kudos to them for being better than their cross-town rival. Yale did not have Mason. I will be interested how UA does against Memphis, and if they can beat Vermont during conference play.
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Post by musicman on Nov 22, 2017 22:15:40 GMT -5
You seem to discount the other number "4" that colors our reaction to the 0-4 start - the four preceding years under this coach! Another Rex relative perhaps? Great comment.
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Post by siena95 on Nov 23, 2017 8:00:17 GMT -5
Siena college doesn't need the basketball team to win to be successful. It's goal is to educate not win basketball games. A few good seasons has some of you acting like this is Kentucky and demand championships for your million dollar donation. No but it helps....
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Post by ltf on Nov 23, 2017 8:37:48 GMT -5
Siena does need the basketball team to be successful. Continuing to lose results in a decline in applications for enrollment, a decrease in basketball revenue and a decrease in contributions to funding campaigns. Very few people want to give money to or be associated with a loser and that's what Siena will become known as , if it hasn't already happened.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 24, 2017 12:48:35 GMT -5
You and I are not the ones who set the goals. I doubt the President of Siena is in his office analyzing Kenpoms and RPIs. They're looking at competing in conference, values, and $$$. Top 5 is still in play until the games are played. They only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$....values, my ass. And you base that on what? You're saying they have no values - only care about $$$. I beg to differ. Basketball is not everything - they have a school to run. If you haven't noticed, there's many obstacles facing schools like Siena now.
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Post by indian82 on Nov 24, 2017 12:54:35 GMT -5
Siena does need the basketball team to be successful. Continuing to lose results in a decline in applications for enrollment, a decrease in basketball revenue and a decrease in contributions to funding campaigns. Very few people want to give money to or be associated with a loser and that's what Siena will become known as , if it hasn't already happened. Obviously, applications do better when you go to 3 straight NCAAs. However, BB will not be what makes or breaks Siena. If so, what is the prognosis for Marist's long-term (non-BB) health? I would say 'very bleak' based on your barometer.
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Post by greenblood on Nov 24, 2017 20:09:32 GMT -5
Marist has a broader academic profile with a far greater number of graduate programs. They are not as dependent on notoriety of one athletic team, IMHO.
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Post by olddave on Nov 25, 2017 18:23:39 GMT -5
Marist has a broader academic profile with a far greater number of graduate programs. They are not as dependent on notoriety of one athletic team, IMHO. Yes your absolutely right as do other MAAC schools. And who's fault is that? The men and women managing the organization who do not want change, basically haven't a clue. Like the know the true turnover at the school to bring in fresh blood.
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Post by hankla on Nov 25, 2017 19:38:27 GMT -5
Marist has a broader academic profile with a far greater number of graduate programs. They are not as dependent on notoriety of one athletic team, IMHO. Yes your absolutely right as do other MAAC schools. And who's fault is that? The men and women managing the organization who do not want change, basically haven't a clue. Like the know the true turnover at the school to bring in fresh blood. SAY WHAT?
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 25, 2017 23:12:01 GMT -5
Marist has a broader academic profile with a far greater number of graduate programs. They are not as dependent on notoriety of one athletic team, IMHO. Yes your absolutely right as do other MAAC schools. And who's fault is that? The men and women managing the organization who do not want change, basically haven't a clue. Like the know the true turnover at the school to bring in fresh blood. Why is it a negative for a college either to not want to offer more graduate degrees (or some other reason which may prevent them from offering more)? In other words why do some continue to bash the college/president/etc for not offering more degrees? Maybe Siena offers what they offer for their reason. Why the need to attack the college or admin?
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