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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 13:01:25 GMT -5
and you're the "Queen Bee"! Sorry, I don't hit for that team! So you're more into wasps?
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Post by mrsiena on May 26, 2017 15:13:52 GMT -5
Go Saints; For my money John Dunne is the best coach in the MAAC. Give him the resources of all league teams in the league except SPU, RIDER, CANISIUS, and NIAGARA and you'll have a perennial top 3 team year in and year out.
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Post by OneIndian on May 26, 2017 15:16:13 GMT -5
With the unknown impact of NYS free tuition facing Siena can't see the college stepping up to a buyout ... all we can hope for is a miracle on the hardwood next season. NYS free tuition is another BS Cuomo self promoting politically motivated endeavor.... It allows for tuition no room board or expenses a family must earn under 100k year 1 and the student must reside and work in NYS 4 years after graduation. It really does squat for the middle class, it saves about $8k a year. If you decide to leave NY before 4 yrs after graduation you pay it all back. I don't think this will have a huge impact on Siena.
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Post by playerparentcoach on May 27, 2017 1:38:25 GMT -5
I agree 100%. KS is a great ambassador of the Siena program. If Jimmy doesn't have a big year and the incoming frosh aren't impact guys the Siena administration has no choice but to move on unless they want to completely kill the program. LOL. What do you expect? Lost 4 1000 point scorers and a ton of minutes. I think .500 would be a great year. Anything over should be an extension and a major positive. I thought you said the team will be better without the seniors that did not know how to win?
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Post by OneIndian on May 28, 2017 9:56:24 GMT -5
LOL. What do you expect? Lost 4 1000 point scorers and a ton of minutes. I think .500 would be a great year. Anything over should be an extension and a major positive. I thought you said the team will be better without the seniors that did not know how to win? The Papster blows so much smoke he confuses himself and can't remember what he's said. The life of an internet troll!
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Post by Papi on May 28, 2017 12:20:57 GMT -5
I thought you said the team will be better without the seniors that did not know how to win? The Papster blows so much smoke he confuses himself and can't remember what he's said. The life of an internet troll! Not really. The 4 1000 point scorers played the bulk of the minutes for 4 seasons and the wins didn't exactly pile up. They as a group were a decent and competitive maac team who achieved about all they could have as a group. Time for a new chapter, JP had his hands tied and had to put those guys out on the court, when the wins pile up I will remind all of you guys how you claim he can't recruit and is so so.
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Post by mjs72 on May 28, 2017 14:21:10 GMT -5
Papi, I don't react to your takes as some might but aren't you concerned that three of our recruits were one-offer kids? Or at least first offer kids? Or his swinging and missing, in a way with very bad optics, on both Patella and especially Nash?
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Post by rickyp on May 28, 2017 14:35:24 GMT -5
So if the three kids waited and got other higher offers that where lined up and you didn't get these kids you'd be saying how he can't recruit just saying these kids saw possibility for playing time with the guys leaving as you'll see this time next year with the next 500+kids that will transfer going to schools they shouldn't have just saying
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 28, 2017 15:15:17 GMT -5
Papi, I don't react to your takes as some might but aren't you concerned that three of our recruits were one-offer kids? Or at least first offer kids? Or his swinging and missing, in a way with very bad optics, on both Patella and especially Nash? Only 2 were, as Horn had 3 other D1 offers and Oduro had plenty as well. Horn had those offers despite missing nearly his entire junior into senior AAU season (the most important recruiting time for a player) with a shoulder injury, then wound up being a Minnesota Mr. Basketball finalist. Had he waited to sign until the late period, I have to imagine he would have had a lengthy list of offers. I'm glad we locked him up before his senior year when it is very possible he would have blown up. Penn had significant interest from high-level programs, and since point guards tend to rise in value during late signing period, he would have likely had better offers too. I didn't really get the Camper recruitment, but he is 6-5, athletic, and a great student. We could do worse. As I've said before on Nash: that situation was ugly. JP deserves criticism for what happens there for sure. The only thing I will say is that we haven't heard (and never will hear) our staff's side of the story. It seems odd to me that we haven't heard about any communication issues between recruits and the coaching staff, then have 2 MASSIVE communication breakdowns throughout Nash's recruitment. In the MAAC, it's pretty common to find good players with few/no offers. Shane Richards and Justin Robinson only had 1 offer, AJ English only had 1 other offer than Iona (per Verbal Commits). JP has made his own bed with this class. If they perform and are as good as I think they can be, he will likely be With us for a while. If they aren't talented and this roster appears to be nothing other than Nico and a bunch of scrubs this season, he may not be our head coach at this time next year.
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Post by OneIndian on May 28, 2017 15:20:21 GMT -5
Papi, I don't react to your takes as some might but aren't you concerned that three of our recruits were one-offer kids? Or at least first offer kids? Or his swinging and missing, in a way with very bad optics, on both Patella and especially Nash? Only 2 were, as Horn had 3 other D1 offers and Oduro had plenty as well. Horn had those offers despite missing nearly his entire junior into senior AAU season (the most important recruiting time for a player) with a shoulder injury, then wound up being a Minnesota Mr. Basketball finalist. Had he waited to sign until the late period, I have to imagine he would have had a lengthy list of offers. I'm glad we locked him up before his senior year when it is very possible he would have blown up. Penn had significant interest from high-level programs, and since point guards tend to rise in value during late signing period, he would have likely had better offers too. I didn't really get the Camper recruitment, but he is 6-5, athletic, and a great student. We could do worse. As I've said before on Nash: that situation was ugly. JP deserves criticism for what happens there for sure. The only thing I will say is that we haven't heard (and never will hear) our staff's side of the story. It seems odd to me that we haven't heard about any communication issues between recruits and the coaching staff, then have 2 MASSIVE communication breakdowns throughout Nash's recruitment. In the MAAC, it's pretty common to find good players with few/no offers. Shane Richards and Justin Robinson only had 1 offer, AJ English only had 1 other offer than Iona (per Verbal Commits). JP has made his own bed with this class. If they perform and are as good as I think they can be, he will likely be With us for a while. If they aren't talented and this roster appears to be nothing other than Nico and a bunch of scrubs this season, he may not be our head coach at this time next year. Hate to break it to ya' if he has a sub 500 or 500 year and attendance goes the way it's been going with boatloads of no shows.... it's a oneway tix out of town for the big guy. He's not exactly popular within Siena's inner circles.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 28, 2017 15:44:43 GMT -5
Only 2 were, as Horn had 3 other D1 offers and Oduro had plenty as well. Horn had those offers despite missing nearly his entire junior into senior AAU season (the most important recruiting time for a player) with a shoulder injury, then wound up being a Minnesota Mr. Basketball finalist. Had he waited to sign until the late period, I have to imagine he would have had a lengthy list of offers. I'm glad we locked him up before his senior year when it is very possible he would have blown up. Penn had significant interest from high-level programs, and since point guards tend to rise in value during late signing period, he would have likely had better offers too. I didn't really get the Camper recruitment, but he is 6-5, athletic, and a great student. We could do worse. As I've said before on Nash: that situation was ugly. JP deserves criticism for what happens there for sure. The only thing I will say is that we haven't heard (and never will hear) our staff's side of the story. It seems odd to me that we haven't heard about any communication issues between recruits and the coaching staff, then have 2 MASSIVE communication breakdowns throughout Nash's recruitment. In the MAAC, it's pretty common to find good players with few/no offers. Shane Richards and Justin Robinson only had 1 offer, AJ English only had 1 other offer than Iona (per Verbal Commits). JP has made his own bed with this class. If they perform and are as good as I think they can be, he will likely be With us for a while. If they aren't talented and this roster appears to be nothing other than Nico and a bunch of scrubs this season, he may not be our head coach at this time next year. Hate to break it to ya' if he has a sub 500 or 500 year and attendance goes the way it's been going with boatloads of no shows.... it's a oneway tix out of town for the big guy. He's not exactly popular within Siena's inner circles. I don't really like JP, but I will be disappointed if he is fired following a .500 season & a top 5 MAAC finish after losing 4 starters. That would likely set us back for 2018-19, which would look like a season to try to go to the NCAA Tournament with everyone returning and hopefully improving. If we are bad next year: fire him. But it would be foolish and shortsighted to fire him if he can get us to .500 this season. With the amount of production departing, getting to .500 would mean these freshmen and sophomores are promising players.
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Post by rickyp on May 28, 2017 15:50:37 GMT -5
Also if you fire him and the freshman have decent to promising years add them to the 500+transfers ex. Quinnipiac
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Post by skipc on May 28, 2017 18:42:52 GMT -5
Go Saints; For my money John Dunne is the best coach in the MAAC. Give him the resources of all league teams in the league except SPU, RIDER, CANISIUS, and NIAGARA and you'll have a perennial top 3 team year in and year out. And you also get to watch a game in the 40’s with 50 free throw attempts.
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Post by OneIndian on May 28, 2017 18:53:52 GMT -5
Hate to break it to ya' if he has a sub 500 or 500 year and attendance goes the way it's been going with boatloads of no shows.... it's a oneway tix out of town for the big guy. He's not exactly popular within Siena's inner circles. I don't really like JP, but I will be disappointed if he is fired following a .500 season & a top 5 MAAC finish after losing 4 starters. That would likely set us back for 2018-19, which would look like a season to try to go to the NCAA Tournament with everyone returning and hopefully improving. If we are bad next year: fire him. But it would be foolish and shortsighted to fire him if he can get us to .500 this season. With the amount of production departing, getting to .500 would mean these freshmen and sophomores are promising players. So you keep him around for what, so he can go 500 the following 2 years? What don't some of you guys get, he's been in the MAAC for almost 14 years, he is what he is a mediocre 500 coach. IMO he's worse than Mitch because he's killing the program all the same but just a slower much more painful pace. I really think if he's 500 he needs to go, if players want to leave so what, Patsos has lost almost 50% of his roster since he's been hired, so I don't see an issue...
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 28, 2017 19:22:06 GMT -5
I don't really like JP, but I will be disappointed if he is fired following a .500 season & a top 5 MAAC finish after losing 4 starters. That would likely set us back for 2018-19, which would look like a season to try to go to the NCAA Tournament with everyone returning and hopefully improving. If we are bad next year: fire him. But it would be foolish and shortsighted to fire him if he can get us to .500 this season. With the amount of production departing, getting to .500 would mean these freshmen and sophomores are promising players. So you keep him around for what, so he can go 500 the following 2 years? What don't some of you guys get, he's been in the MAAC for almost 14 years, he is what he is a mediocre 500 coach. IMO he's worse than Mitch because he's killing the program all the same but just a slower much more painful pace. I really think if he's 500 he needs to go, if players want to leave so what, Patsos has lost almost 50% of his roster since he's been hired, so I don't see an issue... I've said this a few times: if JP can't get us to an "N" Tournament in the next 2 seasons, he should be gone. However, it doesn't make any sense to fire a coach going into a season that has the potential to be promising. If we are a top 5 MAAC team and bring everyone back, we should be picked top 3 in the league and be in a position to go to an NCAA Tournament. If he can't then, he's gone. Your comment about players leaving not being an issue is not fully inaccurate, but I disagree to an extent. I've always thought that losing players/recruits because of firing a bad coach is worth it if you can land a good one. However, the idea that almost 50% of JP's players have transferred makes it fine for more to leave is wrong IMO. Other than Pat Cole, no player who has averaged more than 5 ppg has transferred under JP. Let's say 2 of the guys in this freshman class makes the all-rookie team, then they transfer because of a coaching change. Losing those types of players is what turns you into Niagara.
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