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Post by gosaints on May 25, 2017 17:36:42 GMT -5
Any team this young can't be expected to win the MAAC. Maybe they can put it together in the MAAC Tournament, but there should be no expectation that a coach can turn around losing 4 1,000 point scorers and still win the MAAC. The goal for this year should be to be around .500 and set ourselves up to have a strong core around Nico for an NCAA Tournament run in 2018-19. I don't love JP, there are plenty of coaches out there I would rather have. However, it would make no sense to fire him after this year unless this team absolutely sucks (8-11th in MAAC) considering how young we will be. Give him a chance to finish Nico's career and allow the young guys to develop. And whose fault is all of this? Why give him another year after this one? Tell me who has JP and this staff "developed" over the past 5 years? Giving him another year after this one only puts the chance for developing the "younger guys" further behind.
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Post by gosaints on May 25, 2017 17:38:40 GMT -5
I will say it again ..this board is full of drama QUEENS! and you're the "Queen Bee"!
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Post by bigsaintg on May 25, 2017 17:54:00 GMT -5
This is his last guaranteed year so doubt he stays as it is really hard to sign anyone in that state of limbo plus he obviously doesn't have much of a vote of confidence from the leadership and BOT
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 25, 2017 18:39:16 GMT -5
Any team this young can't be expected to win the MAAC. Maybe they can put it together in the MAAC Tournament, but there should be no expectation that a coach can turn around losing 4 1,000 point scorers and still win the MAAC. The goal for this year should be to be around .500 and set ourselves up to have a strong core around Nico for an NCAA Tournament run in 2018-19. I don't love JP, there are plenty of coaches out there I would rather have. However, it would make no sense to fire him after this year unless this team absolutely sucks (8-11th in MAAC) considering how young we will be. Give him a chance to finish Nico's career and allow the young guys to develop. And whose fault is all of this? Why give him another year after this one? Tell me who has JP and this staff "developed" over the past 5 years? Giving him another year after this one only puts the chance for developing the "younger guys" further behind. Whose fault is it that we had a loaded graduating class, and thus will have a young team the following year? That doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, when you have a class with 4 guys that take up most of the minutes, players who are going to be on the bench decide to transfer. That is how things work in Division 1 basketball these days. The guys who got minutes did develop, those who didn't get minutes transferred. Brett Bisping and Javion Ogunyemi developed significantly during their time under Patsos. Show me the list of teams in the MAAC who win after losing what we lost this season. The only answer is Iona, and that is because they have the best coach in the MAAC and can take JUCO's and grads. You give him 2 more years to take a team that will be incredibly young this season but will have a veteran star and see if he can bring Siena to the NCAA Tournament. if he can't get us to an "N" Tournament in the Nico era, I will be calling for him to be fired as loudly as anyone (unless there is some other circumstance that would justify keeping him). However, firing him now or after next season (unless we are 8th or lower in the MAAC) doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post by th24 on May 25, 2017 20:01:17 GMT -5
I will say it again ..this board is full of drama QUEENS! and you're the "Queen Bee"! Sorry, I don't hit for that team!
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Post by buffalo butt on May 25, 2017 20:31:25 GMT -5
I will say it again ..this board is full of drama QUEENS! Looks as though there's a chink in the armor
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Post by Tony on May 26, 2017 4:31:54 GMT -5
I’m sure Jimmy will be evaluated at end of next season. Let’s see what type of year we have. Team will have to get off to fast start or attendance will crater. Jimmy’s recruiting (or lack thereof) has really hurt him the last few years. I don’t believe coach has a lot of support inside Siena, so he will have to have a very good year. Also believe most of the fan base has lost confidence in him. It will be difficult to sign any quality kids with head coach in last year of contract. Jimmy has way of surprising, he gets kids to play hard for him. He knew he was losing the 4 seniors so he has the team he wanted. He will sink or swim this year – I highly doubt he survives another mediocre year.
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Post by gosaints on May 26, 2017 6:14:27 GMT -5
And whose fault is all of this? Why give him another year after this one? Tell me who has JP and this staff "developed" over the past 5 years? Giving him another year after this one only puts the chance for developing the "younger guys" further behind. Whose fault is it that we had a loaded graduating class, and thus will have a young team the following year? That doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, when you have a class with 4 guys that take up most of the minutes, players who are going to be on the bench decide to transfer. That is how things work in Division 1 basketball these days. The guys who got minutes did develop, those who didn't get minutes transferred. Brett Bisping and Javion Ogunyemi developed significantly during their time under Patsos. Show me the list of teams in the MAAC who win after losing what we lost this season. The only answer is Iona, and that is because they have the best coach in the MAAC and can take JUCO's and grads. You give him 2 more years to take a team that will be incredibly young this season but will have a veteran star and see if he can bring Siena to the NCAA Tournament. if he can't get us to an "N" Tournament in the Nico era, I will be calling for him to be fired as loudly as anyone (unless there is some other circumstance that would justify keeping him). However, firing him now or after next season (unless we are 8th or lower in the MAAC) doesn't make a lot of sense. Simply said five years is enough! If his teams had been on an upward progression I would agree and with the players he had this should have been the case. Agree on Brett disagree on JO.
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Post by gorvy on May 26, 2017 6:55:40 GMT -5
At this point I feel like I'm getting my $70 worth. Of course I used to pay 1k...
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Post by greenblood on May 26, 2017 8:26:21 GMT -5
Same here JG....and I am even now debating whether or not that would be better invested in a few triples and superfectas over the summer.
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Post by $cott on May 26, 2017 10:28:54 GMT -5
This is his last guaranteed year so doubt he stays as it is really hard to sign anyone in that state of limbo plus he obviously doesn't have much of a vote of confidence from the leadership and BOT Are you sure on that? I thought the word was that he still had two guaranteed years left which was too much to buyout. That would mean after next year there would still be one guaranteed year left.
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Post by skipc on May 26, 2017 10:55:25 GMT -5
Remember folks, this is now year 5. It wasn't like we went dancing last year. I agree that anything > .500 would be "overachieving" but given that we're on year 5 of Jimmy and year 8 overall without an NCAA bid I think that still comes up very very short. Papi and company, are we supposed to wait another 3 years for these guys to potentially develop? Is your expectation to go dancing in 2019 with Nico as a senior? It could happen if the MAAC is weak enough but is that really the goal - hope for a weak league and steal one? I'll once again point out that winning coaches win and they do it relatively quickly. I don't know many cases where a coach needs 5 or 6 years and is a successful coach. Sorry but nothing short of Jimmy winning the MAAC should allow him to keep his job and even that shouldn't get him and extension. After all lets see if he can put together back to back high level seasons. Something he hasn't been able to do to date. If Siena could have afforded it he should have been gone this year. Four 1000 point scorers, mediocre season till the tournament, lazy recruiter not a good year in my book. So going to OT in MAAC final and winning the MAAC the next year should still get him fired- LOL. BTW he’s already extended so he would need to be fired.
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Post by glen on May 26, 2017 11:27:43 GMT -5
Skipc - there's trying and then there's succeeding. Even triple OT in the MAAC final is meaningless...in year 4. Hey -if he had a loaded team coming back next year I don't think the base would be as uppity but the point is he lost almost everyone except Nico. If he goes dancing next year I'd extend him a year and see what year 2 of this class brings. Short of that he needs to be fired. Clearly mediocrity is fine with you. I rather like seeing Siena on the NCAA bracket and knocking off BCS teams. Jimmy just isn't the coach to do that and he's shown as much for his entire career. I bought into the Siena vs Loyola line of reasoning. It hasn't panned out.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 26, 2017 11:34:04 GMT -5
Skipc - there's trying and then there's succeeding. Even triple OT in the MAAC final is meaningless...in year 4. Hey -if he had a loaded team coming back next year I don't think the base would be as uppity but the point is he lost almost everyone except Nico. If he goes dancing next year I'd extend him a year and see what year 2 of this class brings. Short of that he needs to be fired. Clearly mediocrity is fine with you. I rather like seeing Siena on the NCAA bracket and knocking off BCS teams. Jimmy just isn't the coach to do that and he's shown as much for his entire career. I bought into the Siena vs Loyola line of reasoning. It hasn't panned out. I agree that JP isn't the guy to take us to Fran levels of dominance. However, if you fire JP and make the wrong hire you are in major league trouble as a program. Give JP a chance to get us to an "N" Tournament in the next 2 seasons (allowing Nico to finish his career and giving the young guys a chance to develop). If he can't do it, get rid of him as quickly as possible. I'm not a proponent of firing coaches every 3-4 years just because they aren't Fran.
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Post by SIENA1971 on May 26, 2017 12:18:05 GMT -5
With the unknown impact of NYS free tuition facing Siena can't see the college stepping up to a buyout ... all we can hope for is a miracle on the hardwood next season.
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