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Post by glen on May 25, 2017 6:35:47 GMT -5
Remember folks, this is now year 5. It wasn't like we went dancing last year. I agree that anything > .500 would be "overachieving" but given that we're on year 5 of Jimmy and year 8 overall without an NCAA bid I think that still comes up very very short. Papi and company, are we supposed to wait another 3 years for these guys to potentially develop? Is your expectation to go dancing in 2019 with Nico as a senior? It could happen if the MAAC is weak enough but is that really the goal - hope for a weak league and steal one?
I'll once again point out that winning coaches win and they do it relatively quickly. I don't know many cases where a coach needs 5 or 6 years and is a successful coach.
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Post by gosaints on May 25, 2017 7:16:37 GMT -5
Remember folks, this is now year 5. It wasn't like we went dancing last year. I agree that anything > .500 would be "overachieving" but given that we're on year 5 of Jimmy and year 8 overall without an NCAA bid I think that still comes up very very short. Papi and company, are we supposed to wait another 3 years for these guys to potentially develop? Is your expectation to go dancing in 2019 with Nico as a senior? It could happen if the MAAC is weak enough but is that really the goal - hope for a weak league and steal one? I'll once again point out that winning coaches win and they do it relatively quickly. I don't know many cases where a coach needs 5 or 6 years and is a successful coach. Sorry but nothing short of Jimmy winning the MAAC should allow him to keep his job and even that shouldn't get him and extension. After all lets see if he can put together back to back high level seasons. Something he hasn't been able to do to date. If Siena could have afforded it he should have been gone this year. Four 1000 point scorers, mediocre season till the tournament, lazy recruiter not a good year in my book.
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Post by siena70 on May 25, 2017 8:21:41 GMT -5
I totally agree that this should be JP's last year, unless he goes to an "N" tournament.
However, there are several factors why D'Arg and the Board won't make a move:
1. They don't want to eat any of JP's contract; 2. they don't want to spend to hire a professional HC recruiter:
3.he don't want to pay what it takes to get a good experienced coach. 4.D'Arg is just coasting toward retirement.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 25, 2017 8:51:55 GMT -5
Any team this young can't be expected to win the MAAC. Maybe they can put it together in the MAAC Tournament, but there should be no expectation that a coach can turn around losing 4 1,000 point scorers and still win the MAAC. The goal for this year should be to be around .500 and set ourselves up to have a strong core around Nico for an NCAA Tournament run in 2018-19.
I don't love JP, there are plenty of coaches out there I would rather have. However, it would make no sense to fire him after this year unless this team absolutely sucks (8-11th in MAAC) considering how young we will be. Give him a chance to finish Nico's career and allow the young guys to develop.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:55:53 GMT -5
There are tons of flaws in JP's coaching but this is the MAAC in a time of financial peril for private liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. On top of that, the NCAA is making it increasingly harder for non-majors to compete. Siena is a very small school. And, as icing on the cake, Siena doesn't have a master's program in an environment that you almost need one to be able to compete.
As much as I would love for Siena to have a dynasty type scenario, it seems to me that it is increasingly more and more far fetched.
If I were a coach, I'd be afraid of coaching at Siena. You'll have a longer leash and more recruiting flexibility at some other MAAC schools. Quinny is the real powerhouse MAAC school. Not Siena. They just don't know it yet.
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Post by MTS on May 25, 2017 10:58:52 GMT -5
I totally agree that this should be JP's last year, unless he goes to an "N" tournament. However, there are several factors why D'Arg and the Board won't make a move: 1. They don't want to eat any of JP's contract; 2. they don't want to spend to hire a professional HC recruiter: 3.he don't want to pay what it takes to get a good experienced coach. 4.D'Arg is just coasting toward retirement. I agree if you can't make one NCAA/NIT after 5 years you have to go. I don't care if we win 20 and finish 3rd....but with no seniors and with another year to go he'd likely be back.
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Post by MTS on May 25, 2017 11:03:53 GMT -5
LOL. What do you expect? Lost 4 1000 point scorers and a ton of minutes. I think .500 would be a great year. Anything over should be an extension and a major positive. No one wins the MAAC after losing what we lose from last season. I'd love to have a guy like Fran back at the helm but that isn't happening. For the vast majority of mid-majors, the goal should be to contend for an NCAA berth every 2-3 years. We were close this year, and a .500 year (above .500 in MAAC play) this coming season would set us up to contend for the MAAC title in 2018-19. Every time JP had a team expected to contend (2014-15 and last year) he shit the bed. He does better with little expectations. I would not be surprised to see us win 15-17 games and then take a giant dump with high expectations the following the year. That's who he is. A lazy coach that can't recruit or handle expectations. Sooner Siena moves on the better.
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Post by glen on May 25, 2017 11:24:37 GMT -5
I agree MTS. My expectation is that he'll do better than expected next year :-)
That said, I do wonder what it takes for some people on this board to finally push the eject button. 6,7,8 more years of almost but not quite...and then do we have to wait another 6+ years for it to happen again?
Siena is a small school but we are WAY better off than probably 200 other D1 schools. The fact that a (recently) former NEC school has been the leader in the MAAC for the past 2 years should be outrageous...and it was unthinkable during Fran's tenure. Look at us now. Pathetic.
One more time...good coaches win and do it quickly.
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Post by MTS on May 25, 2017 12:31:43 GMT -5
I agree MTS. My expectation is that he'll do better than expected next year :-) That said, I do wonder what it takes for some people on this board to finally push the eject button. 6,7,8 more years of almost but not quite...and then do we have to wait another 6+ years for it to happen again? Siena is a small school but we are WAY better off than probably 200 other D1 schools. The fact that a (recently) former NEC school has been the leader in the MAAC for the past 2 years should be outrageous...and it was unthinkable during Fran's tenure. Look at us now. Pathetic. One more time...good coaches win and do it quickly. I agree good coaches win championships at Siena. Period. He doesn't beat UAlbany. He doesn't beat Vermont. He simply doesn't win big games. Monmouth was nice but that was Nico going off. I don't want a Dave Magarity. Unless Siena has a really surprisingly good season I'm making a change. Even then I'm still not enamored with keeping him but he'll survive. Siena owes him only one year - eat it and move on. I don't agree with KK... while Quinnipiac has potentially a good structure to build on you have to actually accomplish something before you're going to blow by the rest of the league. I get that Siena not having a graduate program hurts but this coach doesn't recruit enough quality four year guys. He had four pretty talented guys and all he managed was a .500 year in their senior season. I'd say the same thing had we made one more FT and beat Iona to go to the NCAA tournament. You bring in a good young hungry coach watch him start signing top talent. Jimmy is not a grinder. He's a jet setter. Someone once told me something that really made sense - most coaches live to coach, Jimmy coaches to live.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 12:35:33 GMT -5
If Quinny ever manages to do even what Monmouth just did, it could change the entire perspective of their program. They have so many inherent advantages over the MAAC that all they need is that first taste of success to vault their program.
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Post by greenblood on May 25, 2017 14:00:25 GMT -5
There are tons of flaws in JP's coaching but this is the MAAC in a time of financial peril for private liberal arts colleges in the Northeast. On top of that, the NCAA is making it increasingly harder for non-majors to compete. Siena is a very small school. And, as icing on the cake, Siena doesn't have a master's program in an environment that you almost need one to be able to compete. As much as I would love for Siena to have a dynasty type scenario, it seems to me that it is increasingly more and more far fetched. If I were a coach, I'd be afraid of coaching at Siena. You'll have a longer leash and more recruiting flexibility at some other MAAC schools. Quinny is the real powerhouse MAAC school. Not Siena. They just don't know it yet. I agree with all of this 110%. It would be easier to swallow if he wasn't as polarizing. I'll leave the reasons why out of it.
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Post by $cott on May 25, 2017 14:35:38 GMT -5
I don't care how much this team lost or how young they are, there is still no reason for them to go any worse than 7-2 at home in the MAAC. If that means they go 2-7 on the road and people are satisfied with the .500 in league then that is pretty sad how far the expectations have fallen. I need to see at least 11-7 in the MAAC to even entertain the notion of giving Jimmy one more year. And even in that case you don't extend his contract with any guaranteed money.
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Post by saints22 on May 25, 2017 15:27:14 GMT -5
Degnan.....No inner drive or mean streak. Kevin Degnan doesn’t have “inner drive”? Exactly how do you know that? And seems like you’re linking “inner drive” with “mean streak”. Two completely different things. Maybe you want someone who plays “hard” instead of someone with a “mean streak”? Kevin hasn’t played a minute for Siena yet, so I don’t think it’s at all fair to make judgments about whether or not he possesses any of the intangible qualities we’d all like to see in a player. I’ve seen him plenty of times in practice while he sat out this past year, and I like what I see. Like him a lot. To your point, I think he plays “hard” every time the team scrimmages, and he goes all out even running drills. As for “inner drive”, the fact that he played as hard as he did in practices all season without any possibility of getting in a game speaks for itself. And he must have earned the respect of his teammates and coaches in practices, in the locker room, and around campus to have been named a captain for next season without having played in a game.
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Post by rickyp on May 25, 2017 17:17:18 GMT -5
Good point i totally agree with you to be named a captain and not have played a game is inner drive to me way much negativity on the board give the guys a chance
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Post by th24 on May 25, 2017 17:33:52 GMT -5
I will say it again ..this board is full of drama QUEENS!
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