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Post by olddave on Feb 24, 2017 8:16:28 GMT -5
Dumb, no just history. If you loose to a better team twice you are more likely to upset them the third time because the will be relaxed and cocky. That's sports 101.. I like to see Siena beat them twice but that is highly unlikely, again read the post the championship goes through Monmouth, they are the Siena teams under FM. I rather play the odds at this point. Way to double down on crazy, should have gone with greenblood's interpretation. If you lose to a better team twice, chances are you are going to lose to them a third time. By your theory, Monmouth should have no chance in the tournament given that they will likely play 3 teams they already beat this year. and kk, I believe Guy's theory centers around teams that have similar talent. I stand behind I want Siena to win every game they play as confidence and momentum are difference makers going into a winner take all tournament. yes your correct confidence and momentum are part of the necessary facts for winning a winner take all tournament. Siena needs the confidence, as long as they don't get blown out (something to be sure Monmouth wants, just to make a statement) they should be fine. What they need to be successful in the next 2 weeks is for LL to continue to lay with the activity level he has currently and not foul out. JO to become a man mentally as he is physically, he has to have the stats he had the last month of last year. The coach needs to sit on the bench and let the kids play, stop the weave or whatever he calls it and let them play, and stop playing man to man. Back to our original disagreement how many superior teams that went into a tournament overconfident with momentum have been upset on a regular basis. Quite a few. Be nice for Siena, to win tonight I hope so and have another team take out Monmouth in the tourney.,, that would be even better, hopefully Siena gets lucky and the stars align.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 24, 2017 9:38:45 GMT -5
I'm excited to watch this team play on National TV tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 10:09:57 GMT -5
I'm excited to watch this team play on National TV tonight. Hopefully, that feeling is still there at half time.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 24, 2017 10:14:14 GMT -5
I'm excited to watch this team play on National TV tonight. Wright not 100% ??...........team has little chance if he is not healthy..................
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 24, 2017 12:44:10 GMT -5
Vegas showing Siena a 10pt underdog.........................woof...............
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Post by MTS on Feb 24, 2017 12:53:40 GMT -5
I think KK is right - Siena's best chance is not to "chase" Monmouth and pack it in. Hope that Monmouth has a bad shooting game from three.
Siena will have to score 85 points to win this game. Robinson is going to score his point but you have to make him work. If he puts up an "easy" 40 it will be a long night. Nico has to play a great game and not force it. Brett needs to put up a 15 and 15 type of game - as does Lavon stuffing the stat sheet.
Let's go Saints!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:05:59 GMT -5
I think KK is right - Siena's best chance is not to "chase" Monmouth and pack it in. Hope that Monmouth has a bad shooting game from three. Siena will have to score 85 points to win this game. Robinson is going to score his point but you have to make him work. If he puts up an "easy" 40 it will be a long night. Nico has to play a great game and not force it. Brett needs to put up a 15 and 15 type of game - as does Lavon stuffing the stat sheet. Let's go Saints!!!! After these last 3 games, they are due for a bad shooting night. Pray for that law of averages to hit hard tonight.
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Post by glen on Feb 24, 2017 13:19:34 GMT -5
MTS / KK - I 100% disagree. Siena needs to play a 3-2 guarding the perimeter and prevent the 3. We haven't shown to be a good scoring team. I'd rather WB and EF get some time down low and collect their 10 fouls. Alternate WB with JO and EF with BB. Have WB and EF know that it is their job to protect the rim. If the perimeter guys get beat on a drive, so be it. 2 is less than 3.
Letting MU shoot the 3 by packing it in is suicide in my opinion. They're going to make them.
Hopefully I just jinxed MU :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:41:41 GMT -5
MU was 25 for 42 (59.5%) from 2 point land against us last time out when we played man....basically it was an arcade game for them.
And on top of that they shot 54% from three.
Let's try a defense that has a chance of stopping at least one of those things to give ourselves a chance. What they tried so far clearly didn't work.
I don't mind a 3-2 if it works and they rotate well defending the hoop. If they can't do that, then 2-3 might be better.
Regarding WB...it's not even worth mentioning him anymore the way JP thinks. And any game plan that calls for Evan Fisher to get more time is probably a losing one.
I'd go with Friday.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 24, 2017 14:08:18 GMT -5
MU was 25 for 42 (59.5%) from 2 point land against us last time out when we played man....basically it was an arcade game for them. And on top of that they shot 54% from three. Let's try a defense that has a chance of stopping at least one of those things to give ourselves a chance. What they tried so far clearly didn't work. I don't mind a 3-2 if it works and they rotate well defending the hoop. If they can't do that, then 2-3 might be better. Regarding WB...it's not even worth mentioning him anymore the way JP thinks. And any game plan that calls for Evan Fisher to get more time is probably a losing one. I'd go with Friday. the best zone that they have shown the ability to play, when JP let's them (oye).......is the 2-3 match-up.............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:39:16 GMT -5
MU was 25 for 42 (59.5%) from 2 point land against us last time out when we played man....basically it was an arcade game for them. And on top of that they shot 54% from three. Let's try a defense that has a chance of stopping at least one of those things to give ourselves a chance. What they tried so far clearly didn't work. I don't mind a 3-2 if it works and they rotate well defending the hoop. If they can't do that, then 2-3 might be better. Regarding WB...it's not even worth mentioning him anymore the way JP thinks. And any game plan that calls for Evan Fisher to get more time is probably a losing one. I'd go with Friday. the best zone that they have shown the ability to play, when JP let's them (oye).......is the 2-3 match-up............. I would agree with that. I would just like him to try it... If they beat us off long pull up jumpers and 3's, so be it. Don't let the team with the lesser frontcourt score more points in the paint. Using the 2-3 is not 'surrendering' to being less athletic as is the old fashioned belief. Sometimes it's about what the best strategy is for a team. This Siena team, when playing to its strengths is both the best 2 pt scoring and rebounding team in the league. The strategy should be to stop other teams from scoring from 2. Putting pressure on smaller teams to beat you from the perimeter is what this team SHOULD be doing. If teams only shoot 39% from 2 because they're taking long 2 pt jumpers...it puts more and more pressure for teams to be patient and attack the zone...and make 3's. By letting teams score 2's at a high level, we're diluting our own rebounding advantage and making teams more comfortable. And sometimes that comfort level also even leads to more made threes. Jimmy's handling of this situation is my #1 grievance this year.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 24, 2017 15:12:13 GMT -5
the best zone that they have shown the ability to play, when JP let's them (oye).......is the 2-3 match-up............. I would agree with that. I would just like him to try it... If they beat us off long pull up jumpers and 3's, so be it. Don't let the team with the lesser frontcourt score more points in the paint. Using the 2-3 is not 'surrendering' to being less athletic as is the old fashioned belief. Sometimes it's about what the best strategy is for a team. This Siena team, when playing to its strengths is both the best 2 pt scoring and rebounding team in the league. The strategy should be to stop other teams from scoring from 2. Putting pressure on smaller teams to beat you from the perimeter is what this team SHOULD be doing. If teams only shoot 39% from 2 because they're taking long 2 pt jumpers...it puts more and more pressure for teams to be patient and attack the zone...and make 3's. By letting teams score 2's at a high level, we're diluting our own rebounding advantage and making teams more comfortable. And sometimes that comfort level also even leads to more made threes. Jimmy's handling of this situation is my #1 grievance this year. just watch, JP will have them come out and play man right from the get go..................UGH
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 15:40:40 GMT -5
I would agree with that. I would just like him to try it... If they beat us off long pull up jumpers and 3's, so be it. Don't let the team with the lesser frontcourt score more points in the paint. Using the 2-3 is not 'surrendering' to being less athletic as is the old fashioned belief. Sometimes it's about what the best strategy is for a team. This Siena team, when playing to its strengths is both the best 2 pt scoring and rebounding team in the league. The strategy should be to stop other teams from scoring from 2. Putting pressure on smaller teams to beat you from the perimeter is what this team SHOULD be doing. If teams only shoot 39% from 2 because they're taking long 2 pt jumpers...it puts more and more pressure for teams to be patient and attack the zone...and make 3's. By letting teams score 2's at a high level, we're diluting our own rebounding advantage and making teams more comfortable. And sometimes that comfort level also even leads to more made threes. Jimmy's handling of this situation is my #1 grievance this year. just watch, JP will have them come out and play man right from the get go..................UGH Monmouth is 276th in the nation in 2pt offense and we make them look like an NBA team.
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Post by gosaints on Feb 24, 2017 16:14:27 GMT -5
I would agree with that. I would just like him to try it... If they beat us off long pull up jumpers and 3's, so be it. Don't let the team with the lesser frontcourt score more points in the paint. Using the 2-3 is not 'surrendering' to being less athletic as is the old fashioned belief. Sometimes it's about what the best strategy is for a team. This Siena team, when playing to its strengths is both the best 2 pt scoring and rebounding team in the league. The strategy should be to stop other teams from scoring from 2. Putting pressure on smaller teams to beat you from the perimeter is what this team SHOULD be doing. If teams only shoot 39% from 2 because they're taking long 2 pt jumpers...it puts more and more pressure for teams to be patient and attack the zone...and make 3's. By letting teams score 2's at a high level, we're diluting our own rebounding advantage and making teams more comfortable. And sometimes that comfort level also even leads to more made threes. Jimmy's handling of this situation is my #1 grievance this year. just watch, JP will have them come out and play man right from the get go..................UGH Isn't it ridiculous that playing "Man D" is still a topic of discussion with Jimmy right now. One more reason why he needs to go and if he does so for any extended period of time tonight it should be his curtain call.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:13:01 GMT -5
just watch, JP will have them come out and play man right from the get go..................UGH Isn't it ridiculous that playing "Man D" is still a topic of discussion with Jimmy right now. One more reason why he needs to go and if he does so for any extended period of time tonight it should be his curtain call. Jimmy is an emotional coach and not always very rational or adaptable. He maintains course often even if the road has already forked. I feel confident that if he had taken a step back and objectively evaluated this team without bias to style of play or player personalities, he would have approached some things much differently. The loss total of this team should be half of what it currently is. People lately have talked about talent discrepancy compared to Monmouth. I don't believe in that theory with regards to this team. This is all about focus, rotations, and game planning. 10 mins of donut time on both sides of the ball from 1 player is enough to sway many games the wrong way. If you don't see that Fisher costs us like 4 or 5pts of scoring margin per game, you're blind. Friday's points per shot attempt = 1.68 Fisher's points per shot attempt = 0.86 Give Friday Fisher's shots and that alone is an additional 41 points on the year. That's 1.5 points per game. And Fisher's defensive impact is worse than that. Teams score thru him constantly...often with the foul...and he struggles to rebound. Jimmy did the same thing with White and he just puts on the blinders. Jimmy's decisions cost Siena's pt differential like 7 or 8 points per game. That includes the defense, the rotations, EF, offensive schemes, and ill-timed technical fouls. Give this team to a better game coach and people would be talking about Siena's at large chances too. I get so angry watching this team now even when they win because I see a team playing below potential.
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