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Post by glen on Dec 30, 2016 6:32:46 GMT -5
Look back at the CBI Tournament game last season ... All the problems of this season were on display ... Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but no one picked up on this I'm with you Tony. If Jimmy is coaching next year John can keep my seats...and it will be the first time in 25+ years that I won't be in the stands. I just don't find it entertaining or fun to watch the team get blown out. It is worse having come into the season expecting greatness. If this was year 1 I'd be OK but in year 4? Not so much. It isn't getting better next year either. If Jimmy is back, I won't be. The admins need to realize this isn't just year 4...it is year 7 of sh*t basketball. Back to back hiring mistakes are program killers. Not only can't we beat AE teams, we are getting crushed by them. WTF!?!?! Simply no excuses for that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 6:44:30 GMT -5
Look back at the CBI Tournament game last season ... All the problems of this season were on display ... Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but no one picked up on this I think everyone picked up on it but dismissed it. I can remember people chalking it up to a long season with lots of injuries and just being tired at the end of the season. However, you are absolutely correct that attitude has transferred right along into this season. Can we look back and see what happened there? Wright returned from injury and everything seemed to go downhill. Now I'm not blaming anyone for anything but looking back that's when things changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 6:55:53 GMT -5
If you go back and take a view of JP's Siena "teams" from the 50,000 ft level some things may become a little clearer. Year 1 - team got a needed coaching change, incoming coach was a "known" quantity - his Loyola teams played pretty well against them when MB was our coach, kid's bought in to a major coaching style change, played their butts off and were rewarded when Siena bought them a post season berth - we were all rewarded with a post season tournament win - the "he can win" with Siena's resources view seemed valid, staff changes, player transfers follow Year 2 - not so good, JP appeared to have gotten some early season direction/help re his on-court demeanor, overall season a let down, Brett goes down, players leave, most notably JO, staff changes, players considering transferring opt to stay Year 3 - JO comes back and manifests his skill into an All-MAAC berth, team keeps winning, another post season berth bought to reward the kids and us, early out but Year 4 future looked very good, key freshman player surprise transfer Year 4 - our anticipated meal of steak and filet pans out to cold scrambled eggs as a myriad of "issues" impacts every game - 13 games in and our starting lineup/player rotations/bench development(?) no better defined than in late August, visible malaise on the only team in D1 with 4 1000pt scorers on as healthy a team as we've had in years
HJ rightly pointed out that it is not all on the coach and that the players share some of the grief for where we are and where we seem to be heading with reckless abandon. I think that view somewhat misses the point. JP can't play the game for them but he DOES set the tone, stir the pot and set the game plan. Our on paper strengths may be in the frontcourt but if we allow our backcourt to whither on the vine, we allow our opponents to focus their defensive efforts down low and games like last night happen. The singular game plan "to force it inside" is eerily similar to that equally unsuccessful single focus used by our previous HC. Last night, Brett passed up several very open shots from the perimeter and tried to force the ball inside to no avail - that seems to me to be a confirmation that JP gave the team only one message and if they do something else they get a ration of Patsos Poop! Friday has a great first half but gets yanked after a few nanosecond second half stint after missing a rebound he was fighting to grab - great message to send a kid, especially on a team where the majority of the players, at that point of the game were flat, appearing like they didn't want to be there.
Does anyone else see that JO's pre-season prep, conditioning and attitude exceled following his summer in residence with the BU team and staff?
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Post by th24 on Dec 30, 2016 6:57:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:01:31 GMT -5
Well put - obvious you put a lot of "thought" into it - thanks for sharing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:02:36 GMT -5
"Does anyone else see that JO's pre-season prep, conditioning and attitude exceled following his summer in residence with the BC team and staff?"
Ahh, now that you mention it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:17:42 GMT -5
If you go back and take a view of JP's Siena "teams" from the 50,000 ft level some things may become a little clearer. Year 1 - team got a needed coaching change, incoming coach was a "known" quantity - his Loyola teams played pretty well against them when MB was our coach, kid's bought in to a major coaching style change, played their butts off and were rewarded when Siena bought them a post season berth - we were all rewarded with a post season tournament win - the "he can win" with Siena's resources view seemed valid, staff changes, player transfers follow Year 2 - not so good, JP appeared to have gotten some early season direction/help re his on-court demeanor, overall season a let down, players leave, most notably JO, staff changes, players considering transferring opt to stay Year 3 - JO comes back and manifests his skill into an All-MAAC berth, Brett goes down but team keeps winning, another post season berth bought to reward the kids and us, early out but Year 4 future looked very good, key freshman player surprise transfer Year 4 - our anticipated meal of steak and filet pans out to cold scrambled eggs as a myriad of "issues" impacts every game - 13 games in and our starting lineup/player rotations/bench development(?) no better defined than in late August, visible malaise on the only team in D1 with 4 1000pt scorers on as healthy a team as we've had in years HJ rightly pointed out that it is not all on the coach and that the players share some of the grief for where we are and where we seem to be heading with reckless abandon. I think that view somewhat misses the point. JP can't play the game for them but he DOES set the tone, stir the pot and set the game plan. Our on paper strengths may be in the frontcourt but if we allow our backcourt to whither on the vine, we allow our opponents to focus their defensive efforts down low and games like last night happen. The singular game plan "to force it inside" is eerily similar to that equally unsuccessful single focus used by our previous HC. Last night, Brett passed up several very open shots from the perimeter and tried to force the ball inside to no avail - that seems to me to be a confirmation that JP gave the team only one message and if they do something else they get a ration of Patsos Poop! Friday has a great first half but gets yanked after a few nanosecond second half stint after missing a rebound he was fighting to grab - great message to send a kid, especially on a team where the majority of the players, at that point of the game were flat, appearing like they didn't want to be there. Does anyone else see that JO's pre-season prep, conditioning and attitude exceled following his summer in residence with the BC team and staff? Can you get anything right? Brett went down year 2. Absolute disaster. Picked 2nd ended up in the PIG. JO went to BU not BC. He obviously could never play in the ACC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:37:33 GMT -5
If you go back and take a view of JP's Siena "teams" from the 50,000 ft level some things may become a little clearer. Year 1 - team got a needed coaching change, incoming coach was a "known" quantity - his Loyola teams played pretty well against them when MB was our coach, kid's bought in to a major coaching style change, played their butts off and were rewarded when Siena bought them a post season berth - we were all rewarded with a post season tournament win - the "he can win" with Siena's resources view seemed valid, staff changes, player transfers follow Year 2 - not so good, JP appeared to have gotten some early season direction/help re his on-court demeanor, overall season a let down, players leave, most notably JO, staff changes, players considering transferring opt to stay Year 3 - JO comes back and manifests his skill into an All-MAAC berth, Brett goes down but team keeps winning, another post season berth bought to reward the kids and us, early out but Year 4 future looked very good, key freshman player surprise transfer Year 4 - our anticipated meal of steak and filet pans out to cold scrambled eggs as a myriad of "issues" impacts every game - 13 games in and our starting lineup/player rotations/bench development(?) no better defined than in late August, visible malaise on the only team in D1 with 4 1000pt scorers on as healthy a team as we've had in years HJ rightly pointed out that it is not all on the coach and that the players share some of the grief for where we are and where we seem to be heading with reckless abandon. I think that view somewhat misses the point. JP can't play the game for them but he DOES set the tone, stir the pot and set the game plan. Our on paper strengths may be in the frontcourt but if we allow our backcourt to whither on the vine, we allow our opponents to focus their defensive efforts down low and games like last night happen. The singular game plan "to force it inside" is eerily similar to that equally unsuccessful single focus used by our previous HC. Last night, Brett passed up several very open shots from the perimeter and tried to force the ball inside to no avail - that seems to me to be a confirmation that JP gave the team only one message and if they do something else they get a ration of Patsos Poop! Friday has a great first half but gets yanked after a few nanosecond second half stint after missing a rebound he was fighting to grab - great message to send a kid, especially on a team where the majority of the players, at that point of the game were flat, appearing like they didn't want to be there. Does anyone else see that JO's pre-season prep, conditioning and attitude exceled following his summer in residence with the BC team and staff? Can you get anything right? Brett went down year 2. Absolute disaster. Picked 2nd ended up in the PIG. JO went to BU not BC. He obviously could never play in the ACC. My bad - thanks for correcting those obvious errors
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Post by indian82 on Dec 30, 2016 7:41:56 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. No, but it is that guy's job to fix that kind of stuff. It's what a true leader does. What happens behind the scenes to allow it to get to this point and why won't they go to the well for him? WHY have we had the revolving door of players leaving? There's always a 'cancer' or kid with an attitude to blame. A couple years ago it was Wolf, then Cole, more recently Wormley and LaRose. You know I can name more. Why don't these guys want to stay and fight?? THAT is the pattern I see, not just the history of the last 10 months.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 30, 2016 8:01:54 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Wait a sec here, Bisping isn't giving 110% ??..........that's BS, although he may struggle at times, he hasn't mailed anything in yet like some others!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody had their moments last night. I wasn't crazy about Brett's turnover going after the ball thrown deep in the backcourt. But I dont think he mailed anything in. In fact, I don't think anybody mailed it in most of the night. People get on Nico, but I vividly recall him showing a lot of emotion ON THE COURT, diving after loose balls, playing tough D. One time going for a steal and knocking it out of bounds then slapping the floor in frustration cuz he just missed it. I made a . comment to myself last night that based upon who was on the floor at the 7-8 minute mark that I though Jimmy had given up. He can claim he was STILL looking for the right mix, but that is the problem 13 games in. It was like a revolving door at the scorer's table last night. He DOES have 4 1000 point scorers - that should be your mix and come up with a plan to get them back to their true selves
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Post by indian82 on Dec 30, 2016 8:04:33 GMT -5
What is the point of blaming the players? I am not paying them, I am paying the head coach. The players don't select other players. The players don't decide who goes into a game and who doesn't come out when they have two fouls in the first half. The players don't schedule wacky guarantee tournaments and home games in glens falls. The players don't give out scholarship favors to their friends kids. The players do usually remain loyal to Siena throughout their lives, unlike most Siena coaches. In summary, I can't control who plays, but I can express displeasure about who coaches. So, I will remain loyal to the players who did stay four or five years playing for a middling coach in their one shot at d1 basketball but go ahead and lambaste them and the posters who defend them if it makes you feel better. Nothing will change until he is replaced though. Spoken like someone who has never played college athletics. Welcome back, Mr Youngman!!! Did somebody take your wife again?
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Post by olddave on Dec 30, 2016 8:18:15 GMT -5
So the seniors have "had it" with this coach so they don't give a good effort? Or play well? What do they think is going to happen? He gets fired tomorrow and their parents are the new coaches?? No way you can blame this years performance SOLELY on the HC. I've admitted several times he's def part of the problem, but to absolve the "leaders" of the team for the failures also is ridiculous. It's a morale issue and with low morale comes low productivity. With a $hitty environment things began to unravel and suffer. A lack of morale could be caused by; a coach that hasn't adequately addressed the source or issue or it might be their coaching style is a problem/source or they just don't flat out see the problem. In Rex's case I think it's all three. I'm also pretty sure there is something very wrong behind the scenes, can't put my finger on it, call it an educated hunch! The entire team has quit on Rex, not just the seniors, it's an epic collapse. Candidly you have are correct, what is going on behind the scenes. What happen since the first 4 games. The team was scoring what the avg was close to or 80. Seems the wheels have come off since the UA game. The BS of trying to blame the players, unless they are faking injuries, or all revolting I don't buy it. I think yes they are going through the motions, playing out the game plan put in place by the coach and know its a poor plan. HJ give it up, JP was a bad choice, just took 3 1/2 years to come to fruition. Posters bring up MB, first tell Fran didn't take him with him
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Post by gorvy on Dec 30, 2016 8:23:13 GMT -5
Look back at the CBI Tournament game last season ... All the problems of this season were on display ... Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but no one picked up on this Not no one...
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Post by indian82 on Dec 30, 2016 8:28:07 GMT -5
Look back at the CBI Tournament game last season ... All the problems of this season were on display ... Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback but no one picked up on this Not no one... You're right. Most everybody saw a problem there. But it was fairly easily explainable in that we had done this before and it was a long draining year in many ways. Probably shouldn't have happened, but teams lay eggs all the time. Last season was 3 different seasons in one and the coach couldn't make it work this year.
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