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Dec 29, 2016 23:10:20 GMT -5
Post by MTS on Dec 29, 2016 23:10:20 GMT -5
Mitch was simply over his head as a HC but I will say he worked hard. Does Jimmy work hard? It's pretty obvious he likes to party - that's fine but when you don't win you're going to get questioned. I'm not blaming everything on him. The players have to take some responsibility but look at this team? Does it look like a well prepared and well coached team? Also when you hear it's all about the MAAC, it's all about March do players accept that they can just mail it in certain nights?
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Dec 29, 2016 23:15:16 GMT -5
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2016 23:15:16 GMT -5
It's late and we all just sat through another shit show. You want to blame players go ahead. Your boy recruited said players so he should be able to manage them. The didn't think just all lose their will to win simultaneously without something or someone being an issue. So tell us who's the issue? We all want to know.
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Post by greengold4ever on Dec 29, 2016 23:15:18 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Wait a sec here, Bisping isn't giving 110% ??..........that's BS, although he may struggle at times, he hasn't mailed anything in yet like some others!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sienasaint3 on Dec 29, 2016 23:15:40 GMT -5
Patsos gotta go
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 29, 2016 23:20:54 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Don't you get it? I can tell you just by watching the players body language that they've had it with this buffoon of a coach. There's no leadership or guidance. This team has taken on the personality of the coach (as most teams do) Because the leadership is fatally flawed so is the team. This team (core group) has regressed, and when I see that there's only one place to look to place blame. I didn't like this guy from the start and it's playing out exactly how I thought it would. What an embarrassment to sit there tonight with 5 minutes left and watch people filing out in droves. How sad!
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Dec 29, 2016 23:26:00 GMT -5
Post by greenblood on Dec 29, 2016 23:26:00 GMT -5
It's late and we all just sat through another shit show. You want to blame players go ahead. Your boy recruited said players so he should be able to manage them. The didn't think just all lose their will to win simultaneously without something or someone being an issue. So tell us who's the issue? We all want to know. There has only been one report of a player on this roster putting out open feelers to transfer. Figure it out.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2016 23:26:12 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Don't you get it? I can tell you just by watching the players body language that they've had it with this buffoon of a coach. There's no leadership or guidance. This team has taken on the personality of the coach (as most teams do) This leadership is fatally flawed and so is the team. I didn't like this guy from the start and it's playing out exactly how I thought it would. So the seniors have "had it" with this coach so they don't give a good effort? Or play well? What do they think is going to happen? He gets fired tomorrow and their parents are the new coaches?? No way you can blame this years performance SOLELY on the HC. I've admitted several times he's def part of the problem, but to absolve the "leaders" of the team for the failures too, is ridiculous.
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Post by nolesaint on Dec 29, 2016 23:26:28 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Are they allowed to shoot if their feet aren't in the paint? It was incredibly frustrating watching the VT defense with all 5 players within a 1/2 step of the paint yet our guys rarely took open outside shots and when the ball did get into the paint the player was swarmed making it virtually impossible to make a decent pass out to an open teammate. That is coaching.
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Dec 29, 2016 23:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2016 23:28:39 GMT -5
So tell us who's the issue? We all want to know. There has only been one report of a player on this roster putting out open feelers to transfer. Figure it out. JO?? Oh no, that's right. He's one of your guys. He never "really" left anyway It's Nico. So if Nico leaves or gets asked to leave the team, the team will bounce back to the 20+ win team we all know they can be?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 29, 2016 23:30:48 GMT -5
I don't think Jimmy is doing a good job, BUT when are we going to hold some of the players accountable for missing shots they used to make? Getting rebounds they used to want? The 4 seniors are DONE in 10 weeks. You'd think they'd bring maximum effort every night and appreciate the finality of their careers. The WHOLE LEAGUE had us with 4 kids on the all-MAAC teams. Now, not one of them can play this game well? And it's all on the coach?? Sorry not buying it. Sure JP is to blame for a lot of things, but to watch people enable these men (yup, 22 is a man) decide not to give a 100% effort is on them, not the coach. Something happened in the last 10 months that's for sure, and I'm not claiming I know what it is, but if you all think it's one guys fault you're crazy. Are they allowed to shoot if their feet aren't in the paint? It was incredibly frustrating watching the VT defense with all 5 players within a 1/2 step of the paint yet our guys rarely took open outside shots and when the ball did get into the paint the player was swarmed making it virtually impossible to make a decent pass out to an open teammate. That is coaching. I agree 100% that the HC is at fault for recruiting players that can't shoot from the 3 point line. That's on him.
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Dec 29, 2016 23:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by gorvy on Dec 29, 2016 23:30:54 GMT -5
Honest question: 7 years ago did you think Mitch was the best fit for this program? I think most Siena fans were apprehensive about the hiring of Mitch. Then Siena was stupid enough not to have a way to get rid of him after the first year. Lanier got four. Mitch and Beyer lasted three. Patsos lasting five would kind of be unprecedented at this point. Except that patsos won the cbi and also had an additional 20 win season sandwiched around two duds (well one did and one probable dud). Usually it takes two straight losing seasons for Siena to go a different direction. Hoping I'm wrong...
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 29, 2016 23:34:41 GMT -5
Don't you get it? I can tell you just by watching the players body language that they've had it with this buffoon of a coach. There's no leadership or guidance. This team has taken on the personality of the coach (as most teams do) This leadership is fatally flawed and so is the team. I didn't like this guy from the start and it's playing out exactly how I thought it would. So the seniors have "had it" with this coach so they don't give a good effort? Or play well? What do they think is going to happen? He gets fired tomorrow and their parents are the new coaches?? No way you can blame this years performance SOLELY on the HC. I've admitted several times he's def part of the problem, but to absolve the "leaders" of the team for the failures also is ridiculous. It's a morale issue and with low morale comes low productivity. With a $hitty environment things began to unravel and suffer. A lack of morale could be caused by; a coach that hasn't adequately addressed the source or issue or it might be their coaching style is a problem/source or they just don't flat out see the problem. In Rex's case I think it's all three. I'm also pretty sure there is something very wrong behind the scenes, can't put my finger on it, call it an educated hunch! The entire team has quit on Rex, not just the seniors, it's an epic collapse.
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Dec 29, 2016 23:35:03 GMT -5
Post by greenblood on Dec 29, 2016 23:35:03 GMT -5
There has only been one report of a player on this roster putting out open feelers to transfer. Figure it out. JO?? Oh no, that's right. He's one of your guys. He never "really" left anyway It's Nico. So if Nico leaves or gets asked to leave the team, the team will bounce back to the 20+ win team we all know they can be? Unlikely, I thought it might be a stretch to expect this program to see 20 wins all along, based on past performance records...
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Post by MTS on Dec 29, 2016 23:39:57 GMT -5
I think most Siena fans were apprehensive about the hiring of Mitch. Then Siena was stupid enough not to have a way to get rid of him after the first year. Lanier got four. Mitch and Beyer lasted three. Patsos lasting five would kind of be unprecedented at this point. Except that patsos won the cbi and also had an additional 20 win season sandwiched around two duds (well one did and one probable dud). Usually it takes two straight losing seasons for Siena to go a different direction. Hoping I'm wrong... You might be right. I think it comes down to the money. If Siena only owes him one year I think he's finished. If he has two (and that would be the most ignore the 5 year fluff contract) he'll likely be back. Lanier had back-to-back losing years but he was 52-46 going into his final season with an NCAA and NIT bid on his resume and they still got rid of him albeit after a horrific year. Next year will be a complete disaster. They will be only delaying the inevitable and at that point it will have been 8 years since the last MAAC championship. Next guy has to get two years before you expect to go to the NCAA (JP will leave a similar shitshow to his successor that MB left him) - and boom we're looking at a decade without going to the big dance.
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Post by hoopsforever on Dec 29, 2016 23:41:40 GMT -5
Callers frustrated, posters frustrated, players frustrated, coach frustrated, sure makes for a long winter and the weather has not helped, either!
just my observations from tonight:
problems:
a) the "T" - I wrote it down - Siena was down just 7 points with 13 and a half minutes to play when Jimmy picked up his "T" and from there it went straight downhill - he continues to pick up the most inopportune t's ever b) Quis not playing the point - he is a great, unselfish point guard - he is the player who can get the ball to others in scoring positions- instead, there is a Merry-Go-Round at the "1" - put 'Quis there for 38 minutes per game- his role is to run the show, not score 20 points a game c) stop fooling with the lineup and the rotations - stop fooling around with the positions players play - kids and coaches should know the players' best positions and be playing them there, not experimenting 2 and 1/2 months into the season h) lowest point total of season tonight - Siena scored more against Kansas than UVM
positives from tonight:
a) Sammy Friday's continued development - GREAT first half especially b) Brett another double-double - some callers disappointed in Brett - come on, guys - 14 rebounds and another double-double - this is not on Brett - he will go down as one of Siena's best rebounders ever c) 'Quis in limited time had a 4-1 assist to turnover ratio - again
where does team go from here?
a) They have only 3 days to prepare for the western swing ( critical) and then come home to play an always tough St. Peter's team.
where do I go from here?
a) I refuse to quit on the team or on Siena. I refuse to stop following them. I refuse to not come to the games. I will be there Saturday night vs. St. Peter's, cheer for good play, and applaud kids for every time something good happens. Being upset with the coaching is one thing (understood), but being a fan of Siena, I will not quit on Siena.
Where do you go from here?
The line has been drawn in the sand. Easy to join a bandwagon - easy to root for a team if they were 9-4, not 4-9. Join the quitters or support Siena - your choice. Siena is 4-9 and they are still MY TEAM. Go Saints!
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