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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 24, 2015 19:16:38 GMT -5
Jimmy explained that ESPN & The Big Ten networks sort of decided/told everyone that Siena plays Duke & Wisc for the televised games. Siena has more history than the others (especially for TV). Even if that wasn't totally true, I'm sue if given the choice Duke, Wisc, GT & VCU would all prefer to play Siena over the others. That's an honor/testiment to our program, IMO.
As for this type of "tournament", yes, I'd pefer one on a neutral site (even if it means no $$$ for Siena. But, some have said that the tournaments "invite" you So "if" none of the others wanted us, or did want us but the sbhool decided it wanted money, then I can live withthis tournament. If it's what's best for the College/program (this year), it's ok with me too.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 24, 2015 20:57:04 GMT -5
Wisconsin will be good but last year was probably the best team they ever had. Bo Ryan is a great coach so they'll still be in the NCAA tournament and top 4 in the Big 10 (and might even still be a top 20 team) but that team isn't on the level of the last two years without Frank the tank and Decker. That said Siena might lose by 25 points or they might be very competitive against a Badgers team retooling. As far as Duke goes no expectations just have some fun and play loose. The two games that are the most important are the two in Rhode Island. If we win both of them and play well against Duke/Wisconsin then 2-2 will have people feeling pretty encouraged and more importantly the team will have a lot of confidence going forward. Despite the lopsided victories displayed against other mid-major opponents a year ago, Wisconsin has become accustomed to dismantling mid-major opponents in the Kohl Center. Upside is that Wisconsin will be breaking in a newer rotation in November. Downside is that this game is in the Kohl Center and Bo Ryan still has a trio of very talented players in Bronson Koenig, Nigel Hayes, and Ethan Happ. The aforementioned two players might bolt early after the 2015-16 season. Welcome bager007. Are you a Wisconsin and james bond fan?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 24, 2015 22:24:19 GMT -5
Wisconsin will be good but last year was probably the best team they ever had. Bo Ryan is a great coach so they'll still be in the NCAA tournament and top 4 in the Big 10 (and might even still be a top 20 team) but that team isn't on the level of the last two years without Frank the tank and Decker. That said Siena might lose by 25 points or they might be very competitive against a Badgers team retooling. As far as Duke goes no expectations just have some fun and play loose. The two games that are the most important are the two in Rhode Island. If we win both of them and play well against Duke/Wisconsin then 2-2 will have people feeling pretty encouraged and more importantly the team will have a lot of confidence going forward. Despite the lopsided victories displayed against other mid-major opponents a year ago, Wisconsin has become accustomed to dismantling mid-major opponents in the Kohl Center. Upside is that Wisconsin will be breaking in a newer rotation in November. Downside is that this game is in the Kohl Center and Bo Ryan still has a trio of very talented players in Bronson Koenig, Nigel Hayes, and Ethan Happ. The aforementioned two players might bolt early after the 2015-16 season. Yes, but we have LaBron Long.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 5:10:00 GMT -5
...and talent. Which is Jimmys fault because his recruits aren't: Edwin, Kenny, Alex, Ronald etc.... ps--Frans "mindest" was we had no chance at Kansas or Memphis. Jimmy gets blasted for saying publicly what Fran said behind closed doors. I like the honesty. And yet we sent Oho St packing and gave Lville a run .... Fran had high expectations and a winners mentality ... JP ehhhh! Fran was extremely competitive, projecting a "we can beat/stay with these guys" attitude to his team (and demanding a work ethic from them consistent with that view) while maintaining a very controlled and measured public persona. Preparation was, and still is, key to his winning resume. From team construction, scheduling (managed our RPI while providing a mix of difficult and less difficult match-ups), scouting opponents and then intense focused practice preparation for each and every game. It didn't end there - in game changes on both ends of the court were easily implemented due to the pre-game prep and extensive set of offensive and defensive sets in Fran's playbook. The kids would be required learn and run a large percentage of an opponent's plays as part of the game preparation; sometimes running them during a game which I'm sure sent a silent "we are ready for whatever you throw at us" message to the coaches on the other bench.
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Post by glen on Jun 25, 2015 6:19:33 GMT -5
HJ - I'm not comparing the teams at all. But scheduling isn't a haphazard activity. I believe Fran even deferred the Orlando trip - maybe his first year - because he knew that it wouldn't be productive.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 25, 2015 7:57:02 GMT -5
HJ - I'm not comparing the teams at all. But scheduling isn't a haphazard activity. I believe Fran even deferred the Orlando trip - maybe his first year - because he knew that it wouldn't be productive. The Orlando trip is sponsored/hosted by the MAAC, and is usually rotated by the league teams. I think we went twice so far in 10-12 years? So it's not like it's something we can schoose to attend every year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 25, 2015 8:35:10 GMT -5
HJ - I'm not comparing the teams at all. But scheduling isn't a haphazard activity. I believe Fran even deferred the Orlando trip - maybe his first year - because he knew that it wouldn't be productive. I remember Jimmy saying he would have preferred not playing in Disney tourney his 1st yr but it was scheduled before he became coach. I thought it was a done deal the yr before Mitch hot let go. I'm not sure if Jimmy or Siena could have backed out at last min, maybe they could but decided to play anyway. I understand some don't like Jimmy or some of Jimmy's actions. Yes, he's not Fran. Each coach we've had were diff in their own way. We might like some more than others for what ever reason, but he's our only HC at the moment.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 25, 2015 8:38:59 GMT -5
And yet we sent Oho St packing and gave Lville a run .... Fran had high expectations and a winners mentality ... JP ehhhh! Fran was extremely competitive, projecting a "we can beat/stay with these guys" attitude to his team (and demanding a work ethic from them consistent with that view) while maintaining a very controlled and measured public persona. Preparation was, and still is, key to his winning resume. From team construction, scheduling (managed our RPI while providing a mix of difficult and less difficult match-ups), scouting opponents and then intense focused practice preparation for each and every game. It didn't end there - in game changes on both ends of the court were easily implemented due to the pre-game prep and extensive set of offensive and defensive sets in Fran's playbook. The kids would be required learn and run a large percentage of an opponent's plays as part of the game preparation; sometimes running them during a game which I'm sure sent a silent "we are ready for whatever you throw at us" message to the coaches on the other bench. I think everyone would agree Fran & Jimmy are different or have different methods, personalities, etc.. Not everyone likes Jimmy just as not everyone liked Fran. Although I think most liked how Fran's teams won. I'm still willing to give Jimmy & staff time.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 25, 2015 8:40:38 GMT -5
HJ - I'm not comparing the teams at all. But scheduling isn't a haphazard activity. I believe Fran even deferred the Orlando trip - maybe his first year - because he knew that it wouldn't be productive. The Orlando trip is sponsored/hosted by the MAAC, and is usually rotated by the league teams. I think we went twice so far in 10-12 years? So it's not like it's something we can schoose to attend every year. yes, and Some MAAC teams never went and/or will never go due to cost/expense. Thank God, Siena's not like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 10:27:50 GMT -5
Fran was extremely competitive, projecting a "we can beat/stay with these guys" attitude to his team (and demanding a work ethic from them consistent with that view) while maintaining a very controlled and measured public persona. Preparation was, and still is, key to his winning resume. From team construction, scheduling (managed our RPI while providing a mix of difficult and less difficult match-ups), scouting opponents and then intense focused practice preparation for each and every game. It didn't end there - in game changes on both ends of the court were easily implemented due to the pre-game prep and extensive set of offensive and defensive sets in Fran's playbook. The kids would be required learn and run a large percentage of an opponent's plays as part of the game preparation; sometimes running them during a game which I'm sure sent a silent "we are ready for whatever you throw at us" message to the coaches on the other bench. I think everyone would agree Fran & Jimmy are different or have different methods, personalities, etc.. Not everyone likes Jimmy just as not everyone liked Fran. Although I think most liked how Fran's teams won. I'm still willing to give Jimmy & staff time. If you gave them time in Dannemora they'd be out sooner - don't forget to take into consideration time served against the 5 year plan, LOL!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 25, 2015 12:01:03 GMT -5
You guys will never be happy if you compare every coach to Fran. He had unmatched success here. IF that type of run happens again we'll be lucky, just like he was. Teams like that don't get built without some luck. The Kenny, Ronald and Alex signings were all low key, no competiiton gets, and they all turned into HR's.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 25, 2015 12:08:55 GMT -5
You guys will never be happy if you compare every coach to Fran. He had unmatched success here. IF that type of run happens again we'll be lucky, just like he was. Teams like that don't get built without some luck. The Kenny, Ronald and Alex signings were all low key, no competiiton gets, and they all turned into HR's. I really liked Fran, Hewitt & Deane (I've only been following Siena since 88) so I'm not familiar watching the other coaches before Mike. Those three, in that order are my favorites - so far. I'd love Jimmy to turn Siena back to the glory days and add him to my list of favorite coaches. Time will tell, but winning the MAAC tournament 3 or more yrs in a row coiled with multiple NCAA wins and possible Sweet16 will help Jimmy win back some fans. Can you tell I play Lotto? I have my dollar and a dream for Siena.
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Post by Tony on Jun 25, 2015 12:12:09 GMT -5
You guys will never be happy if you compare every coach to Fran. He had unmatched success here. IF that type of run happens again we'll be lucky, just like he was. Teams like that don't get built without some luck. The Kenny, Ronald and Alex signings were all low key, no competiiton gets, and they all turned into HR's. That’s not entirely true..Kenny yes—Ronald. His recruitment was heating up—Alex no way – he was fairly highly rated had a handful of mid major offers going into his senior season of high school . LaSalle was extremely interested in Alex- but at 6’5” he was a B level recruit for them, they wanted Alex to wait until spring to sign – Fran was able to land him despite the fact two weeks earlier he got a verbal from Edwin- Alex was quite the feather in Fran’s cap ..Having said that I agree it pointless to compare Jimmy to Fran. I will saying amazing how the more prepared , the harder you work ( like Fran did) amazing how ”lucky” you get
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 25, 2015 12:15:41 GMT -5
You guys will never be happy if you compare every coach to Fran. He had unmatched success here. IF that type of run happens again we'll be lucky, just like he was. Teams like that don't get built without some luck. The Kenny, Ronald and Alex signings were all low key, no competiiton gets, and they all turned into HR's. That’s not entirely true..Kenny yes—Ronald. His recruitment was heating up—Alex no way – he was fairly highly rated had a handful of mid major offers going into his senior season of high school . LaSalle was extremely interested in Alex- but at 6’5” he was a B level recruit for them, they wanted Alex to wait until spring to sign – Fran was able to land him despite the fact two weeks earlier he got a verbal from Edwin- Alex was quite the feather in Fran’s cap ..Having said that I agree it pointless to compare Jimmy to Fran. I will saying amazing how the more prepared , the harder you work ( like Fran did) amazing how ”lucky” you get He worked just as hard in Greensboro
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Post by Tony on Jun 25, 2015 12:22:39 GMT -5
That’s not entirely true..Kenny yes—Ronald. His recruitment was heating up—Alex no way – he was fairly highly rated had a handful of mid major offers going into his senior season of high school . LaSalle was extremely interested in Alex- but at 6’5” he was a B level recruit for them, they wanted Alex to wait until spring to sign – Fran was able to land him despite the fact two weeks earlier he got a verbal from Edwin- Alex was quite the feather in Fran’s cap ..Having said that I agree it pointless to compare Jimmy to Fran. I will saying amazing how the more prepared , the harder you work ( like Fran did) amazing how ”lucky” you get He worked just as hard in Greensboro He did with one of the smallest budgets in D1-- he couldn't come up to Philly and recruit often- he was forced to play 4 guarantee games a year -- despite that he managed to stay respectable there something nobody has been able to since. All I'm saying it wasn't all luck- no staff at Siena worked harder than Fran's did- they were very well prepared. Bottom line is good coaches have been able to win here at Siena- bad coaches ( Beyer Lanier and Mitch ) all had excuses. All I've heard from Jimmy so far is excuses- he has this year to change my mind, or I'll be leading charge to replace him ( well maybe not leading since several already seem to have made up their mind)
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