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Post by Tony on Jun 23, 2015 18:23:02 GMT -5
Just a couple quick thoughts while reading the above comments. To the guys who think there were "plenty of better tournaments available", you can only go where you are invited. Siena has done a pretty good job of turning itself from Cinderella to ugly step-sister over the past 5 seasons, so I wouldn't bet too much cash on that statement being as true as you might like it to be. Second,Jimmy wasn't asked which two opening teams he wanted play, Duke/Wisc chose Siena, Siena didn't choose them. When it was rumored to be VCU and Georgetown no one seemed too upset. Well, it could have been, but it won't be. Embrace the moment, they can only put 5 guys on the floor at a time, just like Siena. I don't think anyone has any problem with the 2 games( Duke and Wisconsin ) - although 90 K is pretty low pay out-- its the two game In rhode island that ruffle peoples feathers. Again embrace the moment- but understand this tournament is for majors to get a few tuneups.. and then low majors-- mids almost never play in this tournament- its almost always low majors. Think about it- we are playing at D1 newcomer Bryant and not getting a return game- if Siena loses all 4 games any hope of winning season pretty much go out the door- big gamble here by so-so Jimmy
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Post by psycholojets on Jun 23, 2015 19:03:31 GMT -5
This is a real opportunity for the kids and for Jimmy and for all members of Saints Nation. I get very few TV games down on Long Island especially early in the season. It offers experience and will be an experience for the players.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 23, 2015 20:23:48 GMT -5
No luck involved. KNEW it was Duke. KNEW the game was on ESPN. KNEW they'd get 100K. Very few teams in the country give that much guaranteed money (100K for those not following)for a game. I'd say 60K is a normal # for a top 25 to pay out. This was a great move for us. Only negative is the two games in R.I., but the upside overrides that easily. What you don't seem to be grasping is that duke plays about a dozen Siena types each year at home-- it's not that big a deal. You're right!!! It's not a big deal...TO THEM! Who cares how it effects Duke? WE get 100K. WE get on ESPN opening night. WE are playing the best team, and at the best venue in the country. How is that bad?? You Patsos haters would be raggin him up and down if he scheduled two patsies right? "There goes Jimmy, trying to pad his record!" Instead he gets the last two teams standing last season, and you guys STILL bitch?? Whatever....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 23, 2015 20:29:17 GMT -5
Just a couple quick thoughts while reading the above comments. To the guys who think there were "plenty of better tournaments available", you can only go where you are invited. Siena has done a pretty good job of turning itself from Cinderella to ugly step-sister over the past 5 seasons, so I wouldn't bet too much cash on that statement being as true as you might like it to be. Second,Jimmy wasn't asked which two opening teams he wanted play, Duke/Wisc chose Siena, Siena didn't choose them. When it was rumored to be VCU and Georgetown no one seemed too upset. Well, it could have been, but it won't be. Embrace the moment, they can only put 5 guys on the floor at a time, just like Siena. I don't think anyone has any problem with the 2 games( Duke and Wisconsin ) - although 90 K is pretty low pay out-- its the two game In rhode island Like everything in life, you take the good with the bad. You guys realize the other option was G. Town/VCU WITH the R.I. tourney right? So we got the Duke/Wisc. deal instead BECAUSE of our name. THEY chose us. Which pair would you guys have rather played? ps--we don't beat any one of those 4, so leave the, "We'd have a better chance....." crap at the door. Sorry fellas, thats the way it works in the high major world. They get first pick at recruits, scheduling and NOT returning games.
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 23, 2015 20:55:09 GMT -5
Can't bitch about a soft schedule and then bitch when you get Duke and Wisconsin. I don't get it ...... I'm all for up games .
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Post by gorvy on Jun 23, 2015 20:59:14 GMT -5
What you don't seem to be grasping is that duke plays about a dozen Siena types each year at home-- it's not that big a deal. You're right!!! It's not a big deal...TO THEM! Who cares how it effects Duke? WE get 100K. WE get on ESPN opening night. WE are playing the best team, and at the best venue in the country. How is that bad?? You Patsos haters would be raggin him up and down if he scheduled two patsies right? "There goes Jimmy, trying to pad his record!" Instead he gets the last two teams standing last season, and you guys STILL bitch?? Whatever.... Again, I wouldn't have a problem with playing Duke if it was one stand alone game. I'm just not gushing like a little school girl gawking at Justin Bieber as you are since in order to play them, we also have to play for free at three other programs and likely finish 1-3 or 0-4 in the process. It is true that I don't like Patsos (never did) but I would say this no matter who the coach was -- I have been VERY consistent on this issue over the years. Guarantee games are for low majors. If Siena wanted to be a mid major program we would not be in this tournament (or any other tournament like it). Mid major programs do not cut corners-- they play other mid majors. Our scheduling is atrocious and has been for years. I would rather be in no tournament than this one. Now that we are in it, I don't want to hear how hard it was to travel 2,600 miles round trip over two days not including the Rhode Island games and how much lost practice time there was, etc etc. No excuses. Win more than lose this year or I and likely hundreds of other fans are out. Last chance. As you said, it is not luck. There is a reason why this program is on a downward spiral, and a game at Duke in this this setting is not going to change that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:43:24 GMT -5
I don't mind the games but I'm sick and tired of this coach with the "you think were going to win those games" or being happy with a fuc**** split of two games in the fuc**** MAAC. I cant stand it anymore, perfect example why this guys career record is what it is.....`
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 23, 2015 22:13:56 GMT -5
You're right!!! It's not a big deal...TO THEM! Who cares how it effects Duke? WE get 100K. WE get on ESPN opening night. WE are playing the best team, and at the best venue in the country. How is that bad?? You Patsos haters would be raggin him up and down if he scheduled two patsies right? "There goes Jimmy, trying to pad his record!" Instead he gets the last two teams standing last season, and you guys STILL bitch?? Whatever.... Again, I wouldn't have a problem with playing Duke if it was one stand alone game. I'm just not gushing like a little school girl gawking at Justin Bieber as you are since in order to play them, we also have to play for free at three other programs and likely finish 1-3 or 0-4 in the process. It is true that I don't like Patsos (never did) but I would say this no matter who the coach was -- I have been VERY consistent on this issue over the years. Guarantee games are for low majors. If Siena wanted to be a mid major program we would not be in this tournament (or any other tournament like it). Mid major programs do not cut corners-- they play other mid majors. Our scheduling is atrocious and has been for years. I would rather be in no tournament than this one. Now that we are in it, I don't want to hear how hard it was to travel 2,600 miles round trip over two days not including the Rhode Island games and how much lost practice time there was, etc etc. No excuses. Win more than lose this year or I and likely hundreds of other fans are out. Last chance. As you said, it is not luck. There is a reason why this program is on a downward spiral, and a game at Duke in this this setting is not going to change that. So how did you feel about the Disney trips? We played for "free" (which you despise) and we played ALL HIGH MAJORS. Which meant 0-4 was a distinct possibiity. This tourney we could easily go 2-2 with 100K in our pocket. BTW, do you really want Bryant, or the other two crap teams at the TUC next year? ps--you keep avoiding the fact that Fran and the great teams we had played AT Kansas, and AT Memphis. Remind me when those two came to the TUC to pay back our visits.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 23, 2015 22:47:38 GMT -5
Again, I wouldn't have a problem with playing Duke if it was one stand alone game. I'm just not gushing like a little school girl gawking at Justin Bieber as you are since in order to play them, we also have to play for free at three other programs and likely finish 1-3 or 0-4 in the process. It is true that I don't like Patsos (never did) but I would say this no matter who the coach was -- I have been VERY consistent on this issue over the years. Guarantee games are for low majors. If Siena wanted to be a mid major program we would not be in this tournament (or any other tournament like it). Mid major programs do not cut corners-- they play other mid majors. Our scheduling is atrocious and has been for years. I would rather be in no tournament than this one. Now that we are in it, I don't want to hear how hard it was to travel 2,600 miles round trip over two days not including the Rhode Island games and how much lost practice time there was, etc etc. No excuses. Win more than lose this year or I and likely hundreds of other fans are out. Last chance. As you said, it is not luck. There is a reason why this program is on a downward spiral, and a game at Duke in this this setting is not going to change that. So how did you feel about the Disney trips? We played for "free" (which you despise) and we played ALL HIGH MAJORS. Which meant 0-4 was a distinct possibiity. This tourney we could easily go 2-2 with 100K in our pocket. BTW, do you really want Bryant, or the other two crap teams at the TUC next year? ps--you keep avoiding the fact that Fran and the great teams we had played AT Kansas, and AT Memphis. Remind me when those two came to the TUC to pay back our visits. You must be deliberately missing my point. I don't need to use shouty caps to tell you that the Disney trip was a neutral site tournament. It was in one great place and I had a great time there even though we lost. No, I wouldn't want Bryant at the tuc --- again I wouldn't have entered this tournament at all. As I have said multiple times now, an isolated guarantee game is ok-- the Memphis and Kansa games were in separate years. The Kansas game funded the entire teams trip to Italy whereas this event won't even fund patsos trip to Paris. At the time ithe Kansas game was scheduled mccaffery said he wouldn't have scheduled them if he didn't think his team could handle it. Whereas patsos has already marked the losses in red sharpie to make sure we all know about it-- big difference.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 24, 2015 5:33:00 GMT -5
What's the deal on the guarantee? We getting $100K for each game?
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Post by gorvy on Jun 24, 2015 6:08:28 GMT -5
What's the deal on the guarantee? We getting $100K for each game? no the 100k pays for all four games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 6:23:34 GMT -5
A few years ago we went to Minnesota and got $100K plus expenses for one game. Now we are getting $100K (heard it's actually closer to $90K) for four games! Bryant will likely get the equivalent $'s in addition to the revenue from two home games.
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Post by glen on Jun 24, 2015 6:39:02 GMT -5
These are great games for Siena - both for experience and national exposure! If you cant see that .. you might have hit head or need to have your head examined! So getting beat by 30 is great exposure!?!?! I disagree. Beating OSU and Vandy is great exposure. This is just exposure and it isn't great. A FWIW, I don't expect Jimmy to "expect to go 2-0" but that phrasing isn't all that great for a head coach. And this is my point in the first place...if you don't expect that you can win then why play the game unless it just comes down to financials? Playing a game you expect to lose - well, you might need to have your head examined :-)
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Post by badger007 on Jun 24, 2015 8:08:19 GMT -5
Might want to lower your expectations a bit. I think if Siena is within 15 with 10 minutes to play in either of the games then it is a pretty positive experience. To finish both games within 15 would be a huge success. Last year Duke played 5 home games against low to mid majors, they won by 67, 50, 39, 20, and 13. Wisconsin actually played some quality midmajors in Buffalo, Boise St, and Green Bay and still won their games by 31, 44, 24, 24, 43, and 12. And as you can see the games tended to get closer later in the season, is even tougher early. Wisconsin will be good but last year was probably the best team they ever had. Bo Ryan is a great coach so they'll still be in the NCAA tournament and top 4 in the Big 10 (and might even still be a top 20 team) but that team isn't on the level of the last two years without Frank the tank and Decker. That said Siena might lose by 25 points or they might be very competitive against a Badgers team retooling. As far as Duke goes no expectations just have some fun and play loose. The two games that are the most important are the two in Rhode Island. If we win both of them and play well against Duke/Wisconsin then 2-2 will have people feeling pretty encouraged and more importantly the team will have a lot of confidence going forward. Despite the lopsided victories displayed against other mid-major opponents a year ago, Wisconsin has become accustomed to dismantling mid-major opponents in the Kohl Center. Upside is that Wisconsin will be breaking in a newer rotation in November. Downside is that this game is in the Kohl Center and Bo Ryan still has a trio of very talented players in Bronson Koenig, Nigel Hayes, and Ethan Happ. The aforementioned two players might bolt early after the 2015-16 season.
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Post by musicman on Jun 24, 2015 9:00:01 GMT -5
These are great games for Siena - both for experience and national exposure! If you cant see that .. you might have hit head or need to have your head examined! So getting beat by 30 is great exposure!?!?! I disagree. Beating OSU and Vandy is great exposure. This is just exposure and it isn't great. A FWIW, I don't expect Jimmy to "expect to go 2-0" but that phrasing isn't all that great for a head coach. And this is my point in the first place...if you don't expect that you can win then why play the game unless it just comes down to financials? Playing a game you expect to lose - well, you might need to have your head examined :-) I agree, I don't care for the way JP worded the "expect to go 2-0" statement. I think that was just one of his "too quick" flippant remarks he makes sometimes when his mind is going in overdrive. I would think that after the fact that he wishes he could have said it differently. We all know that Jimmy is quite often his worst enemy. I'm not defending him, just stating what we all know and have seen in the past. To any coach's credit, I'm sure JP isn't approaching those games with our kids saying they don't have a chance. Behind closed doors I'm sure Jimmy's going to be playing mind games to get them pumped up and in the right (positive) frame of mind. Our boys are going to be ready and will give their best. Regardless of the final score, led by Brett, I don't think these kids will be backing down. If they can keep it respectable, I think it will be positive experience for preparing the team for the MAAC.
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