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Post by sky on Mar 23, 2015 12:47:11 GMT -5
I agree that Deane would have been a good get but his personality and Patsos would have ended in blood shed.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2015 12:52:52 GMT -5
talk of redshirting fisher is getting a little ahead of things. One thing we've seen already is that he has that Rossiter chip on his shoulder that is lacking in any of our current bigs. We also dont know exactly where Silas will be at with his recovery/what impact it will have on his abilities. It wasnt like he was the highest skilled, highest basketball IQ player on the floor. His athleticism and shot blocking were what what kept him out there. The injury could put a dampener on that. We also know the big in general have been fairly foul prone ... and injury prone. I want to see a few players out there with a chip on their shoulders... REFUSING TO LOSE.
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Post by sky on Mar 23, 2015 12:53:09 GMT -5
There has been a lot of talk about where we recruit but nothing mentioned about who we recruit. In the past we were always competing against higher level programs. Now we can't even get players with minimal offers. I know we are not always aware of offers but who have we offered that went to higher levels. In many cases the players we have did not have anything better. Nico is about the best we have gotten. Question: why would a 3 star recruit pick Siena ? i guess you'll have to ask Nico and Fisher I would think that they were impressed by the CBI win and the way we played last year and not the disaster we just went through.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 23, 2015 13:01:48 GMT -5
Well we have a three star and a four star guy on the 2016 radar, so I hope more "up" kids sign on to play with Siena. I'll admit, the four star guy has some HM offers, but you can't sign them unless you offer them.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 23, 2015 13:05:25 GMT -5
i guess you'll have to ask Nico and Fisher I would think that they were impressed by the CBI win and the way we played last year and not the disaster we just went through. Clareth didn't commit until February after the season was almost over. Playing time available is a very important part of the recruiting process.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:07:56 GMT -5
After ~47 replies to and ~785 views of this thread since this excellent question was raised (thanks Tony), let's go back to ground and ask "What makes anyone think there will be any changes in the assistants other than the DBO move that was announced at the banquet?" I believe all of this is pure speculation and I really doubt that Jimmy will force any additional staff changes. I'm obviously not ruling out moves to better jobs that always happen at the end of each season. Maybe a move to a new job will be the result of a little arm twisting but I'll bet we don't get that part of the story. The only changes we know for certain are the departure of Mo and the addition of at least 4 new players (not even certain all have signed their LOI's yet). Much the same as the CBI last year, we have subscribed to some postulated diversion to "make all things better" as we move along the "wait until next year" path.
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Post by olddave on Mar 23, 2015 13:08:42 GMT -5
Everyone is right concerning Deane. Yes he would come back, but with the current Admin, the person most obviously being D'Arg not going to happen. he wouldn't let JP do it. IMO D'arg been there long enough, had a nice long run, time to bring in someone new. If your organization doesn't turn over you get stale exactly what admin is right now.
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Post by MTS on Mar 23, 2015 13:12:19 GMT -5
I think after one down year, it's way too early to be saying this. Before the season, MTS was ready to anoint Manning the next head coach. While maybe this crew isn't Fran, Mitch, Francis and Chaskin. overall...it was still good enough to make people happy after JP 1. Would I like to see someone with a little more high level D1 experience on the staff? Absolutely. But that's up to Patsos. Perhaps even keeping Carter or Tobin might not have been a bad idea in hindsight...but you never know what goes on behind the scenes and what the team's needs are. For the record, MTS was also advocating for Tobin Anderson to be the next head coach after Mitch. That entire staff was incompetent with the exception of Craig Carter. They spent more time jockeying for position than running the team. When Patsos was rounding out his staff, he had the opportunity to keep Carter, who wanted to stay and was an excellent teacher of the game and recruiter with NY/NJ connections. He let him go and brought in Jordan instead. No offense to Jordan, but given his resume next to Carter's that was a huge blunder. It's also well-known that Mike Deane would give his left arm to return to Siena as an assistant at any time. Mitch told him no. Patsos should have recruited Deane to be his Mitch. Why would you not take an experienced ex-head coach at the highest level as your top assistant? All this being said, I am not an advocate for firing the entire staff - and you can be sure that is not going to happen. They are all pretty close. But I do think they need to bring in at least one tireless recruiter like a Jared Grasso. The staff certainly lacks that now. Everyone loves busting my balls... lol that's OK I can take it. I was for Tobin taking over for Mitch mid-season (Mitch's last year) but never as a long term solution. Maybe I threw it out there if Mitch had turned it around but I never believed that would actually happen. All due respect to coach Carter - is he really that good of an assistant? He went to Skidmore after Siena and now is at Longwood. I'd say he wasn't a very good assistant either. I still think Manning is a guy you can groom down the road but if Jimmy doesn't get it done that obviously won't happen. I like Manning and think he should be back and think he will be back.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 23, 2015 13:21:36 GMT -5
I think after one down year, it's way too early to be saying this. Before the season, MTS was ready to anoint Manning the next head coach. While maybe this crew isn't Fran, Mitch, Francis and Chaskin. overall...it was still good enough to make people happy after JP 1. Would I like to see someone with a little more high level D1 experience on the staff? Absolutely. But that's up to Patsos. Perhaps even keeping Carter or Tobin might not have been a bad idea in hindsight...but you never know what goes on behind the scenes and what the team's needs are. For the record, MTS was also advocating for Tobin Anderson to be the next head coach after Mitch. That entire staff was incompetent with the exception of Craig Carter. They spent more time jockeying for position than running the team. When Patsos was rounding out his staff, he had the opportunity to keep Carter, who wanted to stay and was an excellent teacher of the game and recruiter with NY/NJ connections. He let him go and brought in Jordan instead. No offense to Jordan, but given his resume next to Carter's that was a huge blunder. It's also well-known that Mike Deane would give his left arm to return to Siena as an assistant at any time. Mitch told him no. Patsos should have recruited Deane to be his Mitch. Why would you not take an experienced ex-head coach at the highest level as your top assistant? All this being said, I am not an advocate for firing the entire staff - and you can be sure that is not going to happen. They are all pretty close. But I do think they need to bring in at least one tireless recruiter like a Jared Grasso. The staff certainly lacks that now. Who did Carter ever bring in here that was significant? He only got Evan because a St. Peters assistant told me about him late. No new coach keeps assistants from the previous staff unless there's a previous relationship. Lou is one of Jimmys guys, and he's familiar with him. No surprise he kept him over Craig. Tobin bought in Bisping. Mitch took the two African kids even though he knew they'd miss their first year.
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Post by mjs72 on Mar 23, 2015 14:09:12 GMT -5
Anyone know where Craig Carter ended up?
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Post by mrsiena on Mar 23, 2015 14:14:18 GMT -5
My firm belief is that if either or both Nico and Fisher picked HM schools they would have been classified as 4 star recruits. Seeing they picked MM Siena the evaluators downgraded them to 3 star rating. And IS, Hewitt isn't coming here when he has that 7 mil from GT and another 3/4 mil from Mason in his bank account.
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Post by onionsbaby on Mar 23, 2015 14:21:56 GMT -5
I don't think any Firings are in order but changes need to be made in recruiting tactics - IN addition they need to be sure they address the team weaknesses better- through coaching, scouting, in game adjustments etc.- I can't understand how the Defense was so wretched and the foul issues continued through the season...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 14:34:34 GMT -5
My firm belief is that if either or both Nico and Fisher picked HM schools they would have been classified as 4 star recruits. Seeing they picked MM Siena the evaluators downgraded them to 3 star rating. And IS, Hewitt isn't coming here when he has that 7 mil from GT and another 3/4 mil from Mason in his bank account. We don't know a thing about how good or not good Evan Fisher is. You can't go by those ratings...good or bad. Rakeem Brookins was of the highest ranked kids we ever got and was supposed to be one of the best shooters Roman Catholic ever had. The kid shot 22% his 2nd year and couldn't handle PG. There are some things to like about this kid. I like that he's improved his jumper and he seems aggressive. But playing in HS and playing in D1 are completely different. He doesn't have the athleticism of a WB or anything. He looks more like a Bisping who doesn't make FTs as well. We shouldn't anoint him a stud before he's played a game. And I really love Clareth, but same goes for him. You just don't know how a kid is gonna shoot and take care of the ball at this level. There are so many factors. Calling these guys 4 star recruits before they've played a single game is a bit much. Last year people loved WB, including me, and now all of a sudden he's no good. I think people are forgetting about him prematurely. He is the most athletic big we got and shot threes at 45%. He had 21 steals and 14 blocks in under 400 minutes. Kid was just a frosh. Remember what Bisping and JO did when they were frosh? Give that kid time. He has big, big potential.
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Post by sky on Mar 23, 2015 14:44:13 GMT -5
I don't think any Firings are in order but changes need to be made in recruiting tactics - IN addition they need to be sure they address the team weaknesses better- through coaching, scouting, in game adjustments etc.- I can't understand how the Defense was so wretched and the foul issues continued through the season... "Amen"
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 23, 2015 14:48:25 GMT -5
My firm belief is that if either or both Nico and Fisher picked HM schools they would have been classified as 4 star recruits. Seeing they picked MM Siena the evaluators downgraded them to 3 star rating. And IS, Hewitt isn't coming here when he has that 7 mil from GT and another 3/4 mil from Mason in his bank account. Cool, now I know that Hewitt is financially set - he can be our DOBO with Mitch, Deane & Ruland as assistants.
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