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Post by CellarRat on Mar 23, 2015 8:58:56 GMT -5
I think after one down year, it's way too early to be saying this. Before the season, MTS was ready to anoint Manning the next head coach. While maybe this crew isn't Fran, Mitch, Francis and Chaskin. overall...it was still good enough to make people happy after JP 1. Would I like to see someone with a little more high level D1 experience on the staff? Absolutely. But that's up to Patsos. Perhaps even keeping Carter or Tobin might not have been a bad idea in hindsight...but you never know what goes on behind the scenes and what the team's needs are. Keeping Tobin would've been nice.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2015 9:01:14 GMT -5
I think after one down year, it's way too early to be saying this. Before the season, MTS was ready to anoint Manning the next head coach. While maybe this crew isn't Fran, Mitch, Francis and Chaskin. overall...it was still good enough to make people happy after JP 1. Would I like to see someone with a little more high level D1 experience on the staff? Absolutely. But that's up to Patsos. Perhaps even keeping Carter or Tobin might not have been a bad idea in hindsight...but you never know what goes on behind the scenes and what the team's needs are. Kiss at least two of them good bye
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2015 9:03:12 GMT -5
I dunno, which assistant coach caused all the injuries? Let's fire the team doctor and shake up the strength and conditioning program too, right? the issues go WELL beyond injuries... but hey... it makes for a great excuse to keep cashing those checks
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 23, 2015 9:10:52 GMT -5
What would letting all three go say about our stability. Especially losing Wolfe, Mo to transfer, the Cole debacle and whatever happens to Cam. And we should blame the strength coach if the kids aren't putting in the time. That's on Jimmy who sets priorities. Finally, Lucious is our like to the Rocks. He goes,it goes I bet it says... perform or hit the pavement. Right now there is NO accountability except in the HC chair. Administratively.... anything goes... obvioulsy zero change there. The staff had damn well better start recruiting hard in the NY NJ Philly area... as well as the DMV
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Post by DelmartianEd on Mar 23, 2015 9:12:07 GMT -5
Ed that's not what I said I'm wondering if you have a reading comprehension problem?. Go back and re read my first post. I would tend to agree with others that firing all 3 might be over the top. But IMHO one maybe two have to go This message board should have a moderator that tells people not to take digs like "I'm wondering if you have a reading comprehension problem?" That sort of personal attack is not productive. You can try to take this back to your first post if you want, but I was responding to all of your posts, especially your later ones where you're trying to tell me that I support something that I don't. Loyola North, you say? When ".500 Fran" took his UNC Greensboro staff with him, did you make a similar dig? If no, then why not? Winning cures lots of ills, and we all agree we need more of it. If one or more of the staff aren't meeting expectations--and by the way, you never told me who you blame for Pat Cole--then sure, make a change. I'm really disturbed by the idea that someone, anyone, must be blamed. Boosters shouldn't be hunting around for vengeance. Scapegoating is a really bad idea. A head doesn't need to roll just to make us feel better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 9:14:12 GMT -5
The staff had damn well better start recruiting hard in the NY NJ Philly area... as well as the DMV Yes, this I would agree with. Other than Holderness, they don't seem really on the New England Prep circuit much either. That's a lot of real estate to not have your hands in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 9:19:10 GMT -5
Mitch's staff was everywhere. They may not have landed all the guys, but they were everywhere.
Guys from Prep, guys from NYC, Upstate NY, NJ/Philly, Canada, Illinois, and we even saw some DMV guys offered.
You have to say one thing about that staff, they got around.
With this staff, we just look at the DMV list and pick guys off it. Hell, I just randomly looked at the list one day and was like hmmmm, let's go after Nico. It's pretty predictable.
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Post by MTS on Mar 23, 2015 9:21:16 GMT -5
I think after one down year, it's way too early to be saying this. Before the season, MTS was ready to anoint Manning the next head coach. While maybe this crew isn't Fran, Mitch, Francis and Chaskin. overall...it was still good enough to make people happy after JP 1. Would I like to see someone with a little more high level D1 experience on the staff? Absolutely. But that's up to Patsos. Perhaps even keeping Carter or Tobin might not have been a bad idea in hindsight...but you never know what goes on behind the scenes and what the team's needs are. Keeping Tobin would've been nice. Tobin was fired before Jimmy took the job. I would keep Manning but bring in two new assistants. I could see Lucious staying on but the staff is still too inexperienced with both him and Manning. There has to be SOME movement though - it can't be status quo after last season.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 23, 2015 9:22:31 GMT -5
No I don't think three have to go. Certainly not a FF/Iona situation where the admin fires all the assistants hoping the coach will quit too. KK makes good points here and ppc having seen the actual recruiting practices first hand should have good insight as well. That said, it is all about recruiting. The staff has gotten some geographic diversity in the past two recruiting cycles, i.e. NY and New England Prep League and has offers out to more NY players and a player from Philly. There is a lot of talent in DMV area, but NY/NJ/Philly has talent as well. Bottomline, if the right talent is brought in I don't care where it comes from.
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Post by Tony on Mar 23, 2015 9:26:08 GMT -5
Ed that's not what I said I'm wondering if you have a reading comprehension problem?. Go back and re read my first post. I would tend to agree with others that firing all 3 might be over the top. But IMHO one maybe two have to go This message board should have a moderator that tells people not to take digs like "I'm wondering if you have a reading comprehension problem?" That sort of personal attack is not productive. You can try to take this back to your first post if you want, but I was responding to all of your posts, especially your later ones where you're trying to tell me that I support something that I don't. Loyola North, you say? When ".500 Fran" took his UNC Greensboro staff with him, did you make a similar dig? If no, then why not? Winning cures lots of ills, and we all agree we need more of it. If one or more of the staff aren't meeting expectations--and by the way, you never told me who you blame for Pat Cole--then sure, make a change. I'm really disturbed by the idea that someone, anyone, must be blamed. Boosters shouldn't be hunting around for vengeance. Scapegoating is a really bad idea. A head doesn't need to roll just to make us feel better. Ed. Don't start trouble if you don't want to be questioned. You said a statement I made was false (it wasn't almost all the D1 experience is at loyola) also said it was fire all 3 or status quo. Once again wrong. Led me to believe you have a reading comprehension problem or an agenda. Which is it? This program has had 5 straight sub par years mistakes have been made. This staff has been a bit lazy on recruiting trail. Some changes need to made or you will continue to see this program slip further into mediocrity than it already is personally I don't care if you support change or not. I do care if you make attacks on my post that are according to you false. Or any other bogus position you try to use to attack my post. I've dealt with people like you in past if you can't attack the message attack the messenger
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 23, 2015 9:42:51 GMT -5
In my world you have a down year you better show really quick how you are righting the ship or your booted. They lost 20 games, some changes need to occur. You can't blame it all on injuries. There were games where the team just didn't show up and how bad is our ability to throw an inbounds pass? They need some changes and tweaks and if I am Jimmy I am making some changes. As for the Rocks, is Lucious really key? They are a Nike program and they push their players to the highest level possible, Nike schools if possible, as that is what gets the program recognition and money - Larose had one offer so its not like LJ was so key in getting him. It's my understanding that Gina was told to mix up her staff and didn't listen and she got the boot. Ali got the message and things changed and her recruiting got even better. If they don't make changes, then I have to wonder about Jimmy's management ability and whether Darg can be effective.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 23, 2015 9:47:45 GMT -5
In my world you have a down year you better show really quick how you are righting the ship or your booted. They lost 20 games, some changes need to occur. You can't blame it all on injuries. There were games where the team just didn't show up and how bad is our ability to throw an inbounds pass? They need some changes and tweaks and if I am Jimmy I am making some changes. As for the Rocks, is Lucious really key? They are a Nike program and they push their players to the highest level possible, Nike schools if possible, as that is what gets the program recognition and money - Larose had one offer so its not like LJ was so key in getting him. It's my understanding that Gina was told to mix up her staff and didn't listen and she got the boot. Ali got the message and things changed and her recruiting got even better. If they don't make changes, then I have to wonder about Jimmy's management ability and whether Darg can be effective. Some fair points made here, after 20 losses changes have to be made, either in personnel or in approach. You can't argue with that.
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Post by sienafan1480 on Mar 23, 2015 9:51:14 GMT -5
This is an interesting question, and one that should not be taken lightly. I usually slide toward the side of keeping stability, but of course I like everyone want to start seeing some more results out of my alma mater, and a school that has no problem asking me for donations every year. I love my school, and part of my affection is certainly centered around the sports program. I want to see it succeed!!
The issue is if you look at the current coaching staff, I am not sure who you want to get rid of. I am completely against getting rid of the whole staff.
You have Greg, who seems to be one of the main recruiters, and also seems to have great knowledge of the game, and I still think is the up and comer type, that if Jimmy has success, will get a head job eventually. I had the chance to meet him in Glens Falls yesterday, I love the way he carries himself, and his knowledge of what he is looking for in a player.
Luke is clearly the most experienced guy on staff. So if your main concern is that the staff does not have enough experience, then you better be replacing him with an experienced coach. I also know people that have good relationships with Jeff Ruland, and I think his interests in joining the Siena staff have been greatly over stated.
Lucious is important as he was our key to improving our relationship with the City Rocks. Everyone wants to see a change in our strategy of just recruiting the DMV. How is throwing our olive branch to The City Rocks out after 2 seasons going to help improve that relationship.
Change for change sake is a scary thing to me. If we are going to replace anyone I would guess it would be Luke, and if you replace him I would make sure it is with a coach who has his experience level or more. Not sure how many of those guys are interested in coming to a school to be a 2nd assistant.
Don't we think the fact that the season has been over for a few weeks now, and no announcements have been made tell a story? Greg was out recruiting at Glens Falls with Jimmy yesterday, so I would say you could just about book the fact he is coming back.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 23, 2015 10:05:30 GMT -5
This is an interesting question, and one that should not be taken lightly. I usually slide toward the side of keeping stability, but of course I like everyone want to start seeing some more results out of my alma mater, and a school that has no problem asking me for donations every year. I love my school, and part of my affection is certainly centered around the sports program. I want to see it succeed!! The issue is if you look at the current coaching staff, I am not sure who you want to get rid of. I am completely against getting rid of the whole staff. You have Greg, who seems to be one of the main recruiters, and also seems to have great knowledge of the game, and I still think is the up and comer type, that if Jimmy has success, will get a head job eventually. I had the chance to meet him in Glens Falls yesterday, I love the way he carries himself, and his knowledge of what he is looking for in a player. Luke is clearly the most experienced guy on staff. So if your main concern is that the staff does not have enough experience, then you better be replacing him with an experienced coach. I also know people that have good relationships with Jeff Ruland, and I think his interests in joining the Siena staff have been greatly over stated. Lucious is important as he was our key to improving our relationship with the City Rocks. Everyone wants to see a change in our strategy of just recruiting the DMV. How is throwing our olive branch to The City Rocks out after 2 seasons going to help improve that relationship. Change for change sake is a scary thing to me. If we are going to replace anyone I would guess it would be Luke, and if you replace him I would make sure it is with a coach who has his experience level or more. Not sure how many of those guys are interested in coming to a school to be a 2nd assistant. Don't we think the fact that the season has been over for a few weeks now, and no announcements have been made tell a story? Greg was out recruiting at Glens Falls with Jimmy yesterday, so I would say you could just about book the fact he is coming back. There is usually a lot of "activity" at the Final Four with all the coaches networking and some looking to make changes and some looking to make moves.
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Post by $cott on Mar 23, 2015 10:10:12 GMT -5
This message board should have a moderator that tells people not to take digs like "I'm wondering if you have a reading comprehension problem?" That sort of personal attack is not productive. You can try to take this back to your first post if you want, but I was responding to all of your posts, especially your later ones where you're trying to tell me that I support something that I don't. Loyola North, you say? When ".500 Fran" took his UNC Greensboro staff with him, did you make a similar dig? If no, then why not? Winning cures lots of ills, and we all agree we need more of it. If one or more of the staff aren't meeting expectations--and by the way, you never told me who you blame for Pat Cole--then sure, make a change. I'm really disturbed by the idea that someone, anyone, must be blamed. Boosters shouldn't be hunting around for vengeance. Scapegoating is a really bad idea. A head doesn't need to roll just to make us feel better. Ed. Don't start trouble if you don't want to be questioned. You said a statement I made was false (it wasn't almost all the D1 experience is at loyola) also said it was fire all 3 or status quo. Once again wrong. Led me to believe you have a reading comprehension problem or an agenda. Which is it? This program has had 5 straight sub par years mistakes have been made. This staff has been a bit lazy on recruiting trail. Some changes need to made or you will continue to see this program slip further into mediocrity than it already is personally I don't care if you support change or not. I do care if you make attacks on my post that are according to you false. Or any other bogus position you try to use to attack my post. I've dealt with people like you in past if you can't attack the message attack the messenger 3 of the sub par seasons were before Jimmy was even the coach and I have a tough time calling last year a subpar season when the team far exceeded MAAC preseason predictions and won the CBI to finish with a winning record. Jimmy had one disastrous season that, at least for me, was left a little less bitter with the fight they put up against Iona after routing Niagara. Obviously there are no excuses next year but not fair to hold Jimmy's assistants responsible for 5 subpar seasons. Maybe one needs to be replaced to shake things up but no way he should be expected to clean house.
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