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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 13:16:52 GMT -5
I don't disagree with KK's comment regarding Siena/Jimmy will still play to get the best shot available; I do think we'll run a little more off missed & made shots (similar to the final games of the CBI). I also expect more of a pressing defense, more full court/ 3/4 court press/traps than last yr. Yes. This. Playing at a higher tempo doesn't mean playing offense with reckless abandon; I think that the offense will still be as measured and methodical as it was this year. However, Siena's press was extremely effective at the end of the year, and with a reliable number of bodies hungry for playing time next year, I think that we will see much more of it. If the press can turn other teams over/lead to transition baskets, it could increase tempo/scoring without any other drastic changes to style of play. Part of this was because Fresno St. was so bad at breaking the press. They kept passing into the trap repeatedly. It could be just a matchup thing not something we'll see used to that effect that often. The MAAC had the highest tempo in the nation last year. The MW was 31st out of 33 in tempo last year. MAAC teams won't fall for that crap. Fresno St. didn't know how to handle it cause they weren't as used to that style.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 21, 2014 14:23:33 GMT -5
Yes. This. Playing at a higher tempo doesn't mean playing offense with reckless abandon; I think that the offense will still be as measured and methodical as it was this year. However, Siena's press was extremely effective at the end of the year, and with a reliable number of bodies hungry for playing time next year, I think that we will see much more of it. If the press can turn other teams over/lead to transition baskets, it could increase tempo/scoring without any other drastic changes to style of play. Part of this was because Fresno St. was so bad at breaking the press. They kept passing into the trap repeatedly. It could be just a matchup thing not something we'll see used to that effect that often. The MAAC had the highest tempo in the nation last year. The MW was 31st out of 33 in tempo last year. MAAC teams won't fall for that crap. Fresno St. didn't know how to handle it cause they weren't as used to that style. I'd still say we'll see a little more pressure D this coming season than this past. It wasn't just how we pressed against FS, but we did it to many teams the last 3rd of the season ) albeit limited use in 2nd half close games. I'd think we'd press more next yr with more bodies. JMO. I agree with you that if We simply do what we did this yr, only better next yr, we'll be very good too. I just think we'll press a little more because that's what Jimmy said would be the way we play.
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Post by Tony on Apr 21, 2014 15:17:13 GMT -5
I agree with you that if We simply do what we did this yr, only better next yr, we'll be very good too. I just think we'll press a little more because that's what Jimmy said would be the way we play. If we dont increase the tempo going to be hard to keep everyone happy-- if we only play 7 guys next year- you will more than likely see massive transfers next season. One of Siena's biggest advantages next year will be its depth- I expect Jimmy to take advantage of that. you are not going to hold the ball for 35 sec and shoot a much higher pct than you did this year-- play 10 guys and keep most players happy- increase scoring to 75ppg As for freshmen- going to be very difficult for any of them to break into playing group--a lot of good players ahead of all 3 of them
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Post by DelmartianEd on Apr 21, 2014 15:36:13 GMT -5
Yes. This. Playing at a higher tempo doesn't mean playing offense with reckless abandon; I think that the offense will still be as measured and methodical as it was this year. However, Siena's press was extremely effective at the end of the year, and with a reliable number of bodies hungry for playing time next year, I think that we will see much more of it. If the press can turn other teams over/lead to transition baskets, it could increase tempo/scoring without any other drastic changes to style of play. Part of this was because Fresno St. was so bad at breaking the press. They kept passing into the trap repeatedly. It could be just a matchup thing not something we'll see used to that effect that often. The MAAC had the highest tempo in the nation last year. The MW was 31st out of 33 in tempo last year. MAAC teams won't fall for that crap. Fresno St. didn't know how to handle it cause they weren't as used to that style. That's interesting. Do one of the stats websites list the conferences by tempo? I'd be curious to see which others are fast and slow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 15:59:45 GMT -5
I agree with you that if We simply do what we did this yr, only better next yr, we'll be very good too. I just think we'll press a little more because that's what Jimmy said would be the way we play. If we dont increase the tempo going to be hard to keep everyone happy-- if we only play 7 guys next year- you will more than likely see massive transfers next season. One of Siena's biggest advantages next year will be its depth- I expect Jimmy to take advantage of that. you are not going to hold the ball for 35 sec and shoot a much higher pct than you did this year-- play 10 guys and keep most players happy- increase scoring to 75ppg As for freshmen- going to be very difficult for any of them to break into playing group--a lot of good players ahead of all 3 of them I know. It's just that Jimmy Paige looks real good to me, though. I think he's gonna get his 15 mins at least. He's a sniper with athleticism and toughness. The news stories said he could shoot and there are some stats that say he played smart and made his FTs. I'd seen highlights and bits of games too... but after watching that full playoff game I realized how good his jump shot can be and the full extent of his role on that team. It's easy to see why he was under recruited. Playing with Clarke, Evans, and Hutton who play with the ball in their hands so much and make flashy plays while he just silently puts up huge numbers as a forward. He rarely gets the ball in a position to drive on that team and he clearly can. He sets a lot of screens for the other guards and shoots pick and pop threes. When he actually gets the ball in a different situation, he attacks the rim. They were a team full of mostly good 1 on 1 guys and got away with mostly just out-talenting opponents. He takes plays off on defense in transition but he's got some ability there. I remember Poole hardly played any D in HS. Depending on how fast he picks up the system, amps up his D, and slides into a role, he could rapidly pick up minutes. I think he could be one of the big sleeper MAAC recruits this year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 16:00:30 GMT -5
Part of this was because Fresno St. was so bad at breaking the press. They kept passing into the trap repeatedly. It could be just a matchup thing not something we'll see used to that effect that often. The MAAC had the highest tempo in the nation last year. The MW was 31st out of 33 in tempo last year. MAAC teams won't fall for that crap. Fresno St. didn't know how to handle it cause they weren't as used to that style. That's interesting. Do one of the stats websites list the conferences by tempo? I'd be curious to see which others are fast and slow. KenPom of course. Fresno St. was ranked 138th nationally in tempo. They were the fastest in the Mountain West. The MAAC had 4 teams in the top 50 nationally, 5 in the top 100. All but SPU ranked inside of 190.
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Post by musicman on Apr 21, 2014 16:56:56 GMT -5
It took the whole season for our roster to evolve. They matured and came so far, many of us were amazed by the last 8-10 games. I really don't think many here think that Cole is going to be the Messiah but I'm drooling over the line-up possibilities and roster availability for Jimmy to work with next year. Won't be nice to have the choices at the 2 that we will have next year. Being able to go big with a 6'5" SG at 200+ is an option Jimmy probably cried for at times this year. Until Ryan kicked it in, we were really hurting there. With the experience our kids have gained this season, that in it's self is going to be the key in roster improvement. How much of a talent leap gained per player isn't going to be as important as the chemistry and experience that they have gained this season. Someone like Lavon is going to be bigger and stronger for next season but his experience and playing time this year has made him a warrior. He has been through the wars and he is going to be so much more confident in himself and his teammates. And I agree that one of the biggest improvement in the offense next year should be the bunnies. Too many young guys that couldn't finish this year. Another year of an off-season weight program combined with our season of experience hopefully will translate in 2-4 more buckets per. Looking at the way Bisping has developed this year finishing is truly amazing. He has gone from a boy to a real man, finishing with authority.
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Post by MTS on Apr 21, 2014 18:29:56 GMT -5
I agree with you that if We simply do what we did this yr, only better next yr, we'll be very good too. I just think we'll press a little more because that's what Jimmy said would be the way we play. If we dont increase the tempo going to be hard to keep everyone happy-- if we only play 7 guys next year- you will more than likely see massive transfers next season. One of Siena's biggest advantages next year will be its depth- I expect Jimmy to take advantage of that. you are not going to hold the ball for 35 sec and shoot a much higher pct than you did this year-- play 10 guys and keep most players happy- increase scoring to 75ppg As for freshmen- going to be very difficult for any of them to break into playing group--a lot of good players ahead of all 3 of them In 2013-14 Siena had 9 players average at least 10.8 minutes per game. JO was the lowest at 10.8 MPG. Next year we could easily see 10 guys get at least 10 minutes a game. A couple players (barring injuries) are not going to be happy - counting Gottfried we've got 14 players who could be in the rotation. But competition will be fierce and that should push the team to get better. There's a chance nobody plays more than 30 minutes but I'd guess Marquis Wright will still play 32 or 33 minutes unless Cole or someone else gives Jimmy confidence to allow them to give Wright more rest at PG.
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Post by siena12077 on Apr 21, 2014 19:13:23 GMT -5
It took the whole season for our roster to evolve. They matured and came so far, many of us were amazed by the last 8-10 games. I really don't think many here think that Cole is going to be the Messiah but I'm drooling over the line-up possibilities and roster availability for Jimmy to work with next year. Won't be nice to have the choices at the 2 that we will have next year. Being able to go big with a 6'5" SG at 200+ is an option Jimmy probably cried for at times this year. Until Ryan kicked it in, we were really hurting there. With the experience our kids have gained this season, that in it's self is going to be the key in roster improvement. How much of a talent leap gained per player isn't going to be as important as the chemistry and experience that they have gained this season. Someone like Lavon is going to be bigger and stronger for next season but his experience and playing time this year has made him a warrior. He has been through the wars and he is going to be so much more confident in himself and his teammates. And I agree that one of the biggest improvement in the offense next year should be the bunnies. Too many young guys that couldn't finish this year. Another year of an off-season weight program combined with our season of experience hopefully will translate in 2-4 more buckets per. Looking at the way Bisping has developed this year finishing is truly amazing. He has gone from a boy to a real man, finishing with authority. I like looking back to when Jimmy had said earlier the year that their (the other team) players dunk and we miss layups .. Mostly in regards to Brett that game.... And then in the CBI championship, the last game of the season, Brett seals the deal with a two hand flush to cap off a great performance that day with his father there. It was very symbolic/fitting of his growth over this year since that statement from Patsos.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 21, 2014 20:50:19 GMT -5
Time decreases will come from 2 seniors Imoh and Evan. I think many laughed at me when I said evan shouldn't play more than 22 minutes a game if we want to win. I say he averages less than 15 next year and same with Imoh unless he really improves
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 10:56:22 GMT -5
Time decreases will come from 2 seniors Imoh and Evan. I think many laughed at me when I said evan shouldn't play more than 22 minutes a game if we want to win. I say he averages less than 15 next year and same with Imoh unless he really improves I agree, time decreases could come from those 2 and White I would assume. As far as the 22 mpg comment...I would argue we would have done better earlier in the season had Evan played more. This is very subjective and has many external factors. Hymes stopped scoring in the postseason and Oliver stepped up so it's very easy to say now...especially with Cole and Paige coming. In the beginning of the year, he won us a lot of games. Practically any game we won early he was a major part of. He averaged 17.5 pts vs Purdue. Kid has his flaws in his game for sure but let's not sell his contributions short here. He also did pretty well in regards to assists this year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Apr 22, 2014 12:07:32 GMT -5
I dont know how much the freshmen will play but I think the scoring will increase as the shooting percentages go up. Top 7 will play the most minutes with no one playing 30+
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Post by psycholojets on Apr 22, 2014 12:12:54 GMT -5
I thought Evan showed significant improvements this year. He made some huge shots and also some big time passes for crucial assists and cut back on his turn overs.
That said I expect his minutes to be even further reduced next year given the progress shown by Ryan and the increased depth on the roster as a whole.
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Post by MTS on Apr 22, 2014 13:12:17 GMT -5
I dont know how much the freshmen will play but I think the scoring will increase as the shooting percentages go up. Top 7 will play the most minutes with no one playing 30+ This is way too early but what the heck I break down the minutes like this: Wright (32) Poole (27) Long (25) Cole (25) Bisping (24) Oliver (14) White (14) JO (14) That's 175 minutes for the top 8 players...the remaining 25 minutes will be between Wolfe, Silas, Brandwijk, Paige, Hymes and Gottfried. Of course it can all change on who makes the biggest improvements, injuries etc.. If Paige and Brandwijk are D1 ready then I don't see Hymes/Silas playing much at all. We also have to see what kind of jump Wolfe makes. The CBI was huge for everyone but especially important for JO and White. I think they solidified their spots in the top 8.
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Post by MTS on Apr 22, 2014 13:16:13 GMT -5
Time decreases will come from 2 seniors Imoh and Evan. I think many laughed at me when I said evan shouldn't play more than 22 minutes a game if we want to win. I say he averages less than 15 next year and same with Imoh unless he really improves I agree, time decreases could come from those 2 and White I would assume. As far as the 22 mpg comment...I would argue we would have done better earlier in the season had Evan played more. This is very subjective and has many external factors. Hymes stopped scoring in the postseason and Oliver stepped up so it's very easy to say now...especially with Cole and Paige coming. In the beginning of the year, he won us a lot of games. Practically any game we won early he was a major part of. He averaged 17.5 pts vs Purdue. Kid has his flaws in his game for sure but let's not sell his contributions short here. He also did pretty well in regards to assists this year. If White improves his shot and plays like he did in the CBI he'll get 13-15 minutes a game next year. His athletic ability and toughness is great on the press. He played 12.6 MPG last year despite missing the entire offseason. White, Oliver and Paige will take just about all of Hymes 20 minutes. Hymes is a good kid and I'm glad he is back but barring injuries (or ineffectiveness) he'll be hard pressed to play more than 5-6 minutes a game next year. His best chance for more minutes is if he can effectively back-up Wright at PG. But there is a logjam at SG.
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