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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2014 22:47:35 GMT -5
The team will continue to be balanced. Bisping and Oliver improved. .. Bisping ended up averaging 11 pts with his late surge. And Lavon stayed at 9+ all season. Poole ended at 14.6... I can see at least 4 double digit scorers in the starting 5 coming soon. I agree and I can see all 5 starters averaging in double digits with no huge scorer...something like: Poole 14 Cole 14 Long 13 Bisping 13 Wright 11 That's 65 points... get 10-13 points from the bench and you're averaging 75-78 a game which is probably needed to win the league. Jimmy pushed the pace this past year but next year I would expect us to really get out and run and play more man-to-man pressing defense because we've got a lot of quality depth and minutes to go around. After this off season and the run they had the frosh will even have more experience. We should have a very balanced team..those teams usually do very well instead of one guy scoring 23-25 points and then a big drop-off. It's tough for opposing teams to just key on one guy or to be at the mercy of one guy being on and scoring a lot to win consistently.
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Post by Tony on Apr 21, 2014 5:01:08 GMT -5
I’m not going to get into depth chart or scoring. And I agree not everyone will improve to the extent we want. But I also know the biggest jump in a player’s career is almost always between freshmen and sophomore year- modest improvement by freshmen, added year of experience for whole team and addition of Pat Cole Should put us in the mix for top of conference. I’m not expecting much out of freshmen - not because I don’t think they can’t play, more or less they will have some pretty stiff competition in front of them. I do hope they make the playing rotation, if they do that will mean they are really good players. Jimmy has shown himself to be a pretty flexible coach -- coaching to his team’s strengths instead of what he wants to do- next year’s team might be the deepest team Jimmy has ever had. At Loyola he would have 1 or 2 very good players and 3 or so decent players. So with that in mind I expect a faster tempo from Jimmy next season
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 21, 2014 5:51:34 GMT -5
I’m not going to get into depth chart or scoring. And I agree not everyone will improve to the extent we want. But I also know the biggest jump in a player’s career is almost always between freshmen and sophomore year- modest improvement by freshmen, added year of experience for whole team and addition of Pat Cole Should put us in the mix for top of conference. I’m not expecting much out of freshmen - not because I don’t think they can’t play, more or less they will have some pretty stiff competition in front of them. I do hope they make the playing rotation, if they do that will mean they are really good players. Jimmy has shown himself to be a pretty flexible coach -- coaching to his team’s strengths instead of what he wants to do- next year’s team might be the deepest team Jimmy has ever had. At Loyola he would have 1 or 2 very good players and 3 or so decent players. So with that in mind I expect a faster tempo from Jimmy next season I don't know how much the tempo changes. You still have Poole and Bisping as probable starters. Oliver got better at defending and a little quicker but still no jet. They may be able to put certain lineups out there that could possibly run but over all I don't expect any significant change in pace until the roster supports it
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Post by Tony on Apr 21, 2014 6:00:24 GMT -5
I thought we pushed the pace fairly good against a mountain West team in last game- and we had Poole and Bisping in starting lineup- key was we had 3 scorers in 2 thru 4 spots.. Which with addition of Cole next year and emergence of Oliver we should see a lot of next year. Bisping will probably see a lot of time at 5 next year and he is much less liability speed wise at 5 spot.
When I suggested the tempo changes- I'm not saying we will see a return to Hewitt ball--I expect more pressing and shooting quicker into shot clock- I dont expect to see Jimmy hold the ball for 35 sec much next season- I'd be ecstatic if we can get up to 75ppg
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 21, 2014 7:46:15 GMT -5
The key will be hitting the outside shots more. If we hit those shots, it will open things up much more inside and for the cutters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 9:29:45 GMT -5
I thought we pushed the pace fairly good against a mountain West team in last game- and we had Poole and Bisping in starting lineup- key was we had 3 scorers in 2 thru 4 spots.. Which with addition of Cole next year and emergence of Oliver we should see a lot of next year. Bisping will probably see a lot of time at 5 next year and he is much less liability speed wise at 5 spot. When I suggested the tempo changes- I'm not saying we will see a return to Hewitt ball--I expect more pressing and shooting quicker into shot clock- I dont expect to see Jimmy hold the ball for 35 sec much next season- I'd be ecstatic if we can get up to 75ppg We only shot 41.9% this year as a team and Cole shot 32.5% overall as a frosh. Until that changes, it does not benefit us to change the current strategy. We win with toughness, taking our time in the half court, and attacking the offensive boards. I would be very hesitant to change things too much. If Cole starts taking all those contested pull up threes in transition I saw in HS film, Jimmy'll need to choke a b*tch. Push in transition if the lane is there like we do, and if not, then take your time and get in position for the offensive board. That's what we do. We're a team playing like Butler did. They weren't a great shooting team either but they knew what they were and what they weren't. Loyola won a hell of a lot of games playing this way in Jimmy's last 2 years. I don't know if anyone else saw this but on KenPom there was an article he wrote on March 26th about best in game coach. In it, it discussed probabilities of teams over the last 5 years to win a game in a close/tossup game with 5 minutes left. He showed the top teams at closing out those games. Loyola was 7th in the nation. 4 of those years were under Jimmy and Loyola didn't do well this year... We played a ton of close games this year and managed to closeout a lot of them especially late in the year. In the other thread, I posted about that 'clutch' stat as well. In my opinion, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Our offense just isn't good enough to blow teams away. Tempos also go way down in postseason. Playing every game like it's a postseason game seemed to help us at the end of the year.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 21, 2014 11:48:17 GMT -5
I think this is a little chicken before the egg argument as the percentages may be low because we shot the ball late into the shot clock. With more depth and experience I think the pace will be quickened a bit --- I think this will be necessary to show an improvement over last year.
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Post by jong10 on Apr 21, 2014 11:53:33 GMT -5
We may also see a little better conversion rate of those bunnies ... which I would expect with more experience. It seemed like there was always a couple a game. That alone should cause the shooting percentage and ppg to tick up slightly.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Apr 21, 2014 11:54:34 GMT -5
If Saints can keep 3+ scorers on floor entire game point production should increase ... Lack of depth and foul trouble was a hindrance this season especially early on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 11:55:27 GMT -5
The team will continue to be balanced. Bisping and Oliver improved. .. Bisping ended up averaging 11 pts with his late surge. And Lavon stayed at 9+ all season. Poole ended at 14.6... I can see at least 4 double digit scorers in the starting 5 coming soon. I agree and I can see all 5 starters averaging in double digits with no huge scorer...something like: Poole 14 Cole 14 Long 13 Bisping 13 Wright 11 That's 65 points... get 10-13 points from the bench and you're averaging 75-78 a game which is probably needed to win the league. Jimmy pushed the pace this past year but next year I would expect us to really get out and run and play more man-to-man pressing defense because we've got a lot of quality depth and minutes to go around. After this off season and the run they had the frosh will even have more experience. We should have a very balanced team..those teams usually do very well instead of one guy scoring 23-25 points and then a big drop-off. It's tough for opposing teams to just key on one guy or to be at the mercy of one guy being on and scoring a lot to win consistently. We have a lot of pieces that can score but I don't see the pace changing. I see Cole contributing but people are putting way too much hype on this kid and we have too many other pieces. People say he'll make the soph jump but keep in mind he also shot sub 40% overall in his last 2 years at Central HS. While I don't think our pace is going to change overly much I think we'll just do what we do better. More scoring options means our defense won't have to be so perfect to win but still not good enough that we'll be able to mow teams over like an Iona. The MAAC is losing a lot of scorers, sure, but there are still scorers out there. I think our rebounding will only get better as guys get stronger making our strength even more of a strength. Also, as long as Cole goes back to taking care of the ball closer to how he was in HS then our assist ratio should also improve as the team matures. Those are 2 very big factors in winning in the MAAC. I've said it many times that the standings often go in relative order of assist ratio..The only team with a negative assist ratio in MAAC play in the top 5 was Manhattan...and that's only because they do so many other things well especially on defense with Brown. No teams outside the top 5 had a positive assist ratio. Also, I keep saying it but I also really feel like Jimmy Paige is going to factor into the equation this year more than people think. Because of this, minutes in general are going to be very spread out. I don't know if anyone will average 14 ppg. Plus, Patsos' 2 fastest years tempo wise were also his 2 worst years record wise so I'm not sure people should be rooting to change too many things. I'm very happy staying right where we are.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 21, 2014 11:59:25 GMT -5
I don't disagree with KK's comment regarding Siena/Jimmy will still play to get the best shot available; I do think we'll run a little more off missed & made shots (similar to the final games of the CBI).
I also expect more of a pressing defense, more full court/ 3/4 court press/traps than last yr.
All I know is if the team can play all their games like it's a single elimination they could win a lot of games. What I saw from the CBI is a focused team that found ways to win close games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 12:10:05 GMT -5
If Saints can keep 3+ scorers on floor entire game point production should increase ... Lack of depth and foul trouble was a hindrance this season especially early on Point production should increase for sure. I just think it comes from increased efficiency resulting from having more offensive options and being stronger and more experienced....not necessarily pace. I think we'll shoot better because opposing teams will have to think more about who to guard and it will open up the floor a little more. Also, hopefully less turnovers and more rebounds will create more scoring opportunities. Perhaps, we can even add to our steals output and get some more easy buckets that way. Jimmy is managing the games well especially once he moved to 2 shooter lineups more. I wouldn't change the system much now that practically the entire team finally knows it inside out and backwards.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 21, 2014 12:24:17 GMT -5
I don't think any of us are expecting wholesale changes, but go back through the games and you will see large stretches of shots in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. Some of that was by design but a lot was due to foul trouble and personnel issues. I expect this to be limited if the team is to contend for a championship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 12:35:34 GMT -5
I don't think any of us are expecting wholesale changes, but go back through the games and you will see large stretches of shots in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. Some of that was by design but a lot was due to foul trouble and personnel issues. I expect this to be limited if the team is to contend for a championship. This goes back to efficiency I think rather than pace. 1 shooter lineups were often a big reason for this..like times when White was playing and the halfcourt offense slowed. His strength is largely in transition and teams knew this and were daring us to make Wright and White shoot it. However, a lot was also just from a lack of a go to scorer combined with good defense. At the end of the year, we seemed to learn to work the high post with Bisping and Long to overcome some of these stretches. There were times I know that I was yelling for it when the offense was stale. It was our best offense.. it usually resulted in a Bisping or Long foul line jumper, a drive to the hoop, or a kick back out to the shooters. I think a lot of these things were learned during the year.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Apr 21, 2014 13:06:42 GMT -5
I don't disagree with KK's comment regarding Siena/Jimmy will still play to get the best shot available; I do think we'll run a little more off missed & made shots (similar to the final games of the CBI). I also expect more of a pressing defense, more full court/ 3/4 court press/traps than last yr. Yes. This. Playing at a higher tempo doesn't mean playing offense with reckless abandon; I think that the offense will still be as measured and methodical as it was this year. However, Siena's press was extremely effective at the end of the year, and with a reliable number of bodies hungry for playing time next year, I think that we will see much more of it. If the press can turn other teams over/lead to transition baskets, it could increase tempo/scoring without any other drastic changes to style of play.
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