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Post by jamalblack on Dec 29, 2013 19:16:58 GMT -5
It be a problem if they start going after forwards not guards.
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 19:18:53 GMT -5
I agree ppc. I like the idea of grabbing the guy with the most talent not just grabbing a guy to fill a position. That's usually how it works.. esp when you are prepared to get rid of players to make room for the incoming recruit... who they getting rid of? Hopper was given free ride this year.. and when other ships open up Siena will not abandon a player in good standing- its not the Siena way. Please PPC just what are you trying to say?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 19:24:56 GMT -5
Marcus, as I said two pages earlier, is still here folks. This board exploded like a released convict's first visit to Night Moves! Sheesh - nothing has changed YET.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 19:26:09 GMT -5
I believe the coaches know what they are doing No question coaches know what they are doing-- that's why we were trying to guide you through this. You were the one protesting that Siena needed a big man first and foremost- The Siena board correctly pointed you in direction Jimmy would go. Nothing for nothing-- but Siena board told you ships would open up-- and you protested-- well they opened up - and we probably will see at least one more open up When Ship did open we told you team needed back up PG and shooter-- you said they didn't a gurad they needed a big man-- of course Jimmy goes out and offers Taplin- I think moral of the story here is when several people on board are telling you same thing- we are almost always right I think if another ship opens up you'll see either a back to basket big man - or a 4 that can shoot-- I dunno what does rest of board think? You are confusing me offering an opinion and me protesting. ..I have no way to protest anything and dont want to...Patsos will make the decisions....as for what we need I have my opinion on it but Patsos knows what he wants not this board...everyone can have an opinion but only the coaches know the facts....my point on scholarships opening up was that will be decided after the season and players evaluate the year and decide where they stand....and that goes for all 13 scholarship players....it was my opinion based on how the season was going that everyone was happy with their opportunity and would want to return. ..then Hopper redshirts and becomes the first casualty...you can now add Audu and Oliver that play the same position and play limited minutes so it is safe to say they are prob next to go unless something changes....I am not worried about any of this...just offered an opinion
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 19:27:26 GMT -5
Marcus, as I said two pages earlier, is still here folks. This board exploded like a released convict's first visit to Night Moves! Sheesh - nothing has changed YET. He can stay until class starts 2nd semester--if he is going anywhere--- and he might not be, this might be a way to just officially acknowledge Hopper is moving on after this year
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 19:28:35 GMT -5
That's usually how it works.. esp when you are prepared to get rid of players to make room for the incoming recruit... who they getting rid of? Hopper was given free ride this year.. and when other ships open up Siena will not abandon a player in good standing- its not the Siena way. Please PPC just what are you trying to say? Thought I was clear...we do not have any scholarships for next year unless someone leaves early.
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 19:29:33 GMT -5
No question coaches know what they are doing-- that's why we were trying to guide you through this. You were the one protesting that Siena needed a big man first and foremost- The Siena board correctly pointed you in direction Jimmy would go. Nothing for nothing-- but Siena board told you ships would open up-- and you protested-- well they opened up - and we probably will see at least one more open up When Ship did open we told you team needed back up PG and shooter-- you said they didn't a gurad they needed a big man-- of course Jimmy goes out and offers Taplin- I think moral of the story here is when several people on board are telling you same thing- we are almost always right I think if another ship opens up you'll see either a back to basket big man - or a 4 that can shoot-- I dunno what does rest of board think? You are confusing me offering an opinion and me protesting. ..I have no way to protest anything and dont want to...Patsos will make the decisions....as for what we need I have my opinion on it but Patsos knows what he wants not this board...everyone can have an opinion but only the coaches know the facts....my point on scholarships opening up was that will be decided after the season and players evaluate the year and decide where they stand....and that goes for all 13 scholarship players....it was my opinion based on how the season was going that everyone was happy with their opportunity and would want to return. ..then Hopper redshirts and becomes the first casualty...you can now add Audu and Oliver that play the same position and play limited minutes so it is safe to say they are prob next to go unless something changes....I am not worried about any of this...just offered an opinion its all good-- we are a bunch of fans shooting the breeze on what we think will happen
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 19:40:26 GMT -5
Marcus, as I said two pages earlier, is still here folks. This board exploded like a released convict's first visit to Night Moves! Sheesh - nothing has changed YET. He can stay until class starts 2nd semester--if he is going anywhere--- and he might not be, this might be a way to just officially acknowledge Hopper is moving on after this year You might be right but I'm thinking if the transfer was to commence with the next semester the new HC would want him onboard as early as possible to get benefit from him on the practice floor. Maybe not, but that makes more sense to me than Siena covering hotel room and meals for a player "already" transferred. Reading this thread, one could get the picture that any new comer to Siena would be on board tomorrow! With so much time between games, we have way to much time to spend speculating. Seems like we woke PPC up and out thread growth rate is returning to previous highs.
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 29, 2013 19:48:35 GMT -5
One problem with that we have no real back up PG-Patso has said many times Hymes is a 2 in a ones body As for bigs-- we currently have Silas- JO-Bisping-Wolfe and Long that can play the 5 or 4-- four of the 5 bigs are freshmen or sophs seems to me the log jam is up front as well... one of the problems we have with unbalanced classes. I dont think Cole is a PG.. Jimmy needs talent on this team ..Looking at team we have way more talent up front than Backcourt.. no back up point-- Hymes IS 5'8" Audu and Oliver haven't given us much first half.. to me and this is just my 2 cents a combo guard top priority and then a 3 or 4 that can shoot the 3 next Losing a scholarship big and adding a scholarship guard makes us loaded in the backcourt. ..Lavon is in the middle as a G/F while everyone else is either a guard or forward. ..we have 4 bigs with Hopper gone... No guards have left yet...those numbers mean alot of competition in the backcourt. ..I agree we need a backup pg... we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3 Long is not the only G/F on the team. Both Poole and Cole are also swingmen that are capable of playing the 2 or 3. If Patsos lands Taplin, he'd likely back up Poole at the 2 for a year before earning the start there, while Cole with share the 3 with Long. There really isn't a logjam at the 2. None of the current players at that position can shoot save Poole. The team can ill-afford a starting shooting guard who can't shoot. That's why Patsos is heavily recruiting Taplin - a combo guard who's a great shooter that will succeed Poole at the 2 while also backing up the 1. He is exactly what the team needs - moreso than a 6th big. If a second school opens, then they can go out and get another big - preferably a bruising back to the basket type instead of the face-up type inside players the team currently has. Before you say we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3, I think you may wish to take another look at this team's three point shooting numbers.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 19:51:23 GMT -5
Losing a scholarship big and adding a scholarship guard makes us loaded in the backcourt. ..Lavon is in the middle as a G/F while everyone else is either a guard or forward. ..we have 4 bigs with Hopper gone... No guards have left yet...those numbers mean alot of competition in the backcourt. ..I agree we need a backup pg... we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3 Long is not the only G/F on the team. Both Poole and Cole are also swingmen that are capable of playing the 2 or 3. If Patsos lands Taplin, he'd likely back up Poole at the 2 for a year before earning the start there, while Cole with share the 3 with Long. There really isn't a logjam at the 2. None of the current players at that position can shoot save Poole. The team can ill-afford a starting shooting guard who can't shoot. That's why Patsos is heavily recruiting Taplin - a combo guard who's a great shooter that will succeed Poole at the 2 while also backing up the 1. He is exactly what the team needs - moreso than a 6th big. If a second school opens, then they can go out and get another big - preferably a bruising back to the basket type instead of the face-up type inside players the team currently has. When you say we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3, I think you need to take another look at this team's three point shooting numbers. Long is a G/F on this team per Patsos...you cant change the facts with your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 20:02:59 GMT -5
PPC..Would you also say Poole and Cole are also G/F ?. You can even make the argument White is a G/F since he has played the 2/3 this season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 20:05:35 GMT -5
Long is not the only G/F on the team. Both Poole and Cole are also swingmen that are capable of playing the 2 or 3. If Patsos lands Taplin, he'd likely back up Poole at the 2 for a year before earning the start there, while Cole with share the 3 with Long. There really isn't a logjam at the 2. None of the current players at that position can shoot save Poole. The team can ill-afford a starting shooting guard who can't shoot. That's why Patsos is heavily recruiting Taplin - a combo guard who's a great shooter that will succeed Poole at the 2 while also backing up the 1. He is exactly what the team needs - moreso than a 6th big. If a second school opens, then they can go out and get another big - preferably a bruising back to the basket type instead of the face-up type inside players the team currently has. When you say we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3, I think you need to take another look at this team's three point shooting numbers. Long is a G/F on this team per Patsos...you cant change the facts with your opinion. PPC - your constant rehashing of Lavon's position is getting a little "long" in the tooth. No one is disagreeing with you. The Siena roster has "G/F" next to his name. No one else does but that DOES NOT mean others on this board can't characterize other Siena players as G/F's as well and it certainly doesn't preclude Jimmy from moving a G to the F slot or vice versa if conditions dictate it. There are no rules in hoop that relate to how players are classified on a roster and how they are used in a game. We get your views. Give up the arguing it is not serving you well, IMHO.
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 20:08:44 GMT -5
Long is not the only G/F on the team. Both Poole and Cole are also swingmen that are capable of playing the 2 or 3. If Patsos lands Taplin, he'd likely back up Poole at the 2 for a year before earning the start there, while Cole with share the 3 with Long. There really isn't a logjam at the 2. None of the current players at that position can shoot save Poole. The team can ill-afford a starting shooting guard who can't shoot. That's why Patsos is heavily recruiting Taplin - a combo guard who's a great shooter that will succeed Poole at the 2 while also backing up the 1. He is exactly what the team needs - moreso than a 6th big. If a second school opens, then they can go out and get another big - preferably a bruising back to the basket type instead of the face-up type inside players the team currently has. When you say we already have 3s and 4s that can shoot the 3, I think you need to take another look at this team's three point shooting numbers. Long is a G/F on this team per Patsos...you cant change the facts with your opinion. I dont want to speak for Sienafan-- but I dont think he was trying to change anything about Lavon being a G/F - his point is that so is Poole and Cole--as long as you are going with facts Poole as started at 2 and 3 this year-- so I guess that makes him a G/F eh? Cole can also handle the ball and is big enough to play 3. As far as I'm concerned cant have enough good players.. especially in back court if we land Taplin-- we will have Wright- Taplin- White - Cole-- 4 guards that can flat out play..good guards win in MAAC and D1 for that matter-- with 4 guards that quality Siena will be good a long time.. Add in Lavon ( mr versatility )JO - Wolfe we are talking a NCAA quality team
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 20:16:52 GMT -5
Long is a G/F on this team per Patsos...you cant change the facts with your opinion. PPC - your constant rehashing of Lavon's position is getting a little "long" in the tooth. No one is disagreeing with you. The Siena roster has "G/F" next to his name. No one else does but that DOES NOT mean others on this board can't characterize other Siena players as G/F's as well and it certainly doesn't preclude Jimmy from moving a G to the F slot or vice versa if conditions dictate it. There are no rules in hoop that relate to how players are classified on a roster and how they are used in a game. We get your views. Give up the arguing it is not serving you well, IMHO. Wow...so everyone can give their opinions as fact..and if I disagree and show facts I am the one that's wrong and should stop...not those that continue to offer opinions that are different than the coach...I see why KK left...maybe its my turn to go.... My last statement on this topic is this...what makes Lavon a G/F is the fact that he has been matched up with PFs SFs and Gs..no one else on the team plays big and small on both ends of the court... the 2 and 3 are guard spots and we have several players on the team that play those positions. ..the offense is a 4 guard offense and having a 4 that can play on the perimeter and defend a center is what makes Long the only G/F ...
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 20:22:52 GMT -5
PPC..Would you also say Poole and Cole are also G/F ?. You can even make the argument White is a G/F since he has played the 2/3 this season In a Patsos system 2s and 3s are guards...Patsos recruited Lavon to be a guard...but Siena did not have enough size for that so he is a G/F... those listings are not done haphazardly...
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