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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 22, 2014 16:11:17 GMT -5
Hoopjunkie - if you can't admit that Bisping is solid player for Siena- then your delusional! No doubt he's solid, just nowhere near what the hobbit thinks! He's also too inconsistent, but i said earlier, I'd give him a "B" for the year.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 22, 2014 17:38:12 GMT -5
There is no way Patsos would play guys that have not earned it in practice more than guys that have. Wolfe is a project. Most athletic but not the most skilled...not the most mature.. and lacks strength. .. you play to win every game. Every game we lost Patsos was killed...he cant afford to lose by not putting his best foot forward.. Hopper redshirting and JO getting hurt changed things for Wolfe but he still was not ready to earn time...
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 22, 2014 19:02:42 GMT -5
Hoopjunkie - if you can't admit that Bisping is solid player for Siena- then your delusional! No doubt he's solid, just nowhere near what the hobbit thinks! He's also too inconsistent, but i said earlier, I'd give him a "B" for the year. As junkie and Tony have stated... if you want to win a maac title, playing bisping starter minutes is not a good recipe. Better than playing hymes at the point but still not good
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 22, 2014 19:19:02 GMT -5
I stated in preseason that if Hymes played more than 22 minutes a game we were in trouble and the faithful him jumped all over me
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 23, 2014 2:59:00 GMT -5
There is no way Patsos would play guys that have not earned it in practice more than guys that have. Wolfe is a project. Most athletic but not the most skilled...not the most mature.. and lacks strength. .. you play to win every game. Every game we lost Patsos was killed...he cant afford to lose by not putting his best foot forward.. Hopper redshirting and JO getting hurt changed things for Wolfe but he still was not ready to earn time... No matter how you cut it, JP screwed up then. The decsion to redshirt him, or not, should have been a two-pronged decision. You keep him, you play him, period. He earned the playing time by making the team. You think he's weak, not mature etc...than he should have been redshirted. Like I said, look at his numbers in any game he got more than 5 minutes. He played VERY WELL in Orlando. Why he stopped getting minutes after the show he put on at Canisus will always be a mystery to me.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 23, 2014 5:17:03 GMT -5
There is no way Patsos would play guys that have not earned it in practice more than guys that have. Wolfe is a project. Most athletic but not the most skilled...not the most mature.. and lacks strength. .. you play to win every game. Every game we lost Patsos was killed...he cant afford to lose by not putting his best foot forward.. Hopper redshirting and JO getting hurt changed things for Wolfe but he still was not ready to earn time... No matter how you cut it, JP screwed up then. The decsion to redshirt him, or not, should have been a two-pronged decision. You keep him, you play him, period. He earned the playing time by making the team. You think he's weak, not mature etc...than he should have been redshirted. Like I said, look at his numbers in any game he got more than 5 minutes. He played VERY WELL in Orlando. Why he stopped getting minutes after the show he put on at Canisus will always be a mystery to me. I think this is a great point, the amount of time he did play doesn't justify losing one year of eligibility for. If he is as gifted as most everyone claims, he should have been redshirted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 6:40:01 GMT -5
I believe there are two levels of maturity necessary to play significant minutes on this team.
First is the obvious - on-court execution backed up by hard play on the practice floor. I haven't seen Michael dogging it in any way shape or form in practice but then the number of practices seen are way down compared to access under previous coaches. Jimmy's system doesn't have many plays so I don't think Michael's court appearances have been limited by not learning the play "book"!
The second is not so obvious - the ability to absorb Jimmy's in-game rants and translate that "help" into higher energy on the floor. That also includes a not so quickly learned but necessary ability - to give it back to him within ill-defined limits. I have noticed an increasing frequency of "back in your face, Coach" chirping from Brett, Rob, Ryan, Evan. I don't think that behaviour would have been tolerated by Fran and others but it seems to be working here. Walking that fine line can be fatal but I think Jimmy expects it - he must see it as evidence that the kid is listening, thinking and trying to execute the way Jimmy wants. He spends the majority of his time during timeouts looking for answers from the kids he pulls rather than giving answers to the kids he has in the next playing group.
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Post by Tony on Feb 23, 2014 7:06:25 GMT -5
You guys are a tough crowd to please. You spent the entire preseason saying Wolfe shouldn’t have been red shirted – you got what you wanted and now you say he wasted a year and should have been red shirted. As for why Wolfe doesn’t play- do you guys watch the games? he is often out of place like the time he played zone when we are supposed to be in man to man – and probably his biggest gaffe these days -- a shot will go up and Wolfe often becomes a “spectator” hard to tell when if ever that will go away – with Hopper being redshirted odds were long Wolfe would be redshirted and once JO got hurt no chance
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 23, 2014 8:12:11 GMT -5
If the kid was ready he would play. If Jimmy thought it made sense to red shirt him he would have. My guess is he was hoping for more progress from Wolfe than he had seen. No knock on the kid but he still has some work to do before he contributes more in games.
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Post by hockeyguy on Feb 23, 2014 8:13:00 GMT -5
Tony, with out a doubt you have nailed it in my opinion. The little bit that I have seen him play (or anyone on here has seen him play) he seems totally lost on the court on defense (and sometimes on offense). He "jams" a few and the experts annoint him the answer to our prayers. He may be able to move, he may be able to "throw it down (this makes him "athletic" I guess) but if he can't grasp a D1 system he will be far down the bench. This isn't playground ball which seems to titillate the gurus on here. I hope the kid works out, but there is a reason "the most athletic kid on the team, far above MAAC level" is sitting FAR down the bench.
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 23, 2014 8:33:28 GMT -5
Isn't he also a young freshmen - still 17 when school started
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Post by billmurray on Feb 23, 2014 8:34:58 GMT -5
Tony, with out a doubt you have nailed it in my opinion. The little bit that I have seen him play (or anyone on here has seen him play) he seems totally lost on the court on defense (and sometimes on offense). He "jams" a few and the experts annoint him the answer to our prayers. He may be able to move, he may be able to "throw it down (this makes him "athletic" I guess) but if he can't grasp a D1 system he will be far down the bench. This isn't playground ball which seems to titillate the gurus on here. I hope the kid works out, but there is a reason "the most athletic kid on the team, far above MAAC level" is sitting FAR down the bench. Exactly.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 23, 2014 8:48:57 GMT -5
Tony, with out a doubt you have nailed it in my opinion. The little bit that I have seen him play (or anyone on here has seen him play) he seems totally lost on the court on defense (and sometimes on offense). He "jams" a few and the experts annoint him the answer to our prayers. He may be able to move, he may be able to "throw it down (this makes him "athletic" I guess) but if he can't grasp a D1 system he will be far down the bench. This isn't playground ball which seems to titillate the gurus on here. I hope the kid works out, but there is a reason "the most athletic kid on the team, far above MAAC level" is sitting FAR down the bench. Despite your intentions of putting into question even his athleticism... the kid is the most athletic on the team and it isn't close. But yes... he's got a lot of development before he's ready to contribute consistently at this level
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 23, 2014 11:20:42 GMT -5
I agree with all of you about Wolfe looking, "out of place," "confused," and other descriptions of his game, but I guess I'm saying I would have taken the hit of his on the clock training this year. He won't get better not playing, and he can't learn how to play the game o the bench. No this method isn't for every kid, just the ones that have the most talent. Might not be fair, but who said life is fair?
The injury to JO got him minutes in Orlando, and anyone that was there saw he played really well....in every game. The fastbreak dunk against Purdue was ridiculous, and was a flash of what this kid can do. Then, we go on the wekkend in Buffalo, and he plays 2 minutes in the Niagara blowout. Next night he finally gets real minutes (24) and has 14 pts on 6-7 shooting, 4 reb, 2ass., a block and a steal. Then NEVER plays again??? Maybe JO came back and that sealed his fate, who knows? I wish they applied for a redshirt after that game (close to being too late?) and saved the kid another year.
The funny thing is his athleticism isn't what put me over the top with him, it was his shooting. Sorry BB lovers, but he's definitely a better shooter than Brett. Guys with his athleticism usually don't shoot the ball like that. And if he went to prep school, he goes better than us, no doubt. Name one other player, besides Wright, that would be true about. Mayb, and that's a maybe, Long.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Feb 23, 2014 12:30:22 GMT -5
Wolfe is like fine wine. Just be patient
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