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Post by Sienafan on Jun 9, 2013 0:54:53 GMT -5
With all due respect, the charges are public record. In fact, Brookins has still only been 'charged' and he has already been dismissed. So....Sienafan isn't accusing Buie of anything or putting him in any situation that he didn't put himself in. He isn't throwing Taran under the bus, the kid has been a wreck all on his own for a very long time. Of course the charges are public record does that mean we should still be talking about Miracles or missing pursues, fire alarms, etc. I don't think so. I did not say Sienafan was accusing him of anything merely that he DID air a lot of dirty laundry when the discussion didn't go his way. Taran has had his problems there is no denying just like there is no denying that Jimmy has had a LOT of success with kids like him over the years. My point was and is, until we have reason not to, lets trust Jimmy to run and grow the program. In the end he will be judged based on his outcomes with this being on of his first real tests at Siena. There's nothing I revealed that isn't easily found with a quick Google search. I'm not trashing the kid, I'm simply sharing the facts about him. If telling the truth hurts him and the program, then maybe that's one more indication bringing him on isn't such a a good idea. It can't be a good thing when you feel the need to hide something about the program. I find it curious that there weren't similar protests when the details of Brookins' issues were revealed ad nauseum here. I didn't post the info because the discussion didn't go my way. I posted it in response to someone erroneously stating Buie didn't get into any trouble at Hofstra as well as asking me if I even knew what he did at Penn State. I couldn't care less if the discussion goes my way or not. My opinion on the matter is what it is and I'm just sharing it. My goal isn't to convince everyone to agree with me, simply to provide all the facts so opinions are at least informed ones. I think we can all respectfully agree to disagree.
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Post by warden99 on Jun 9, 2013 3:51:59 GMT -5
KnickSaint well said. Siena is all about providing a chance to gain an education and to grow as a person. It is THE FRANCISCAN WAY that some make light of. It worked for me. I wasted two years and literally begged my way into school in the early 60's,when my excessive cuts got me tossed from another school. Yes it was hard and I had conditions placed on me,by them admissions director BERNARD CURRIER. I grew to love the COLLEGE and it has played a major role in my life. I have helped a number of lost souls gain admission,some hits some misses. A few were even athletes,but most were people who needed a 2nd chance. I don't have any inside info,but it's obvious that the young man in question has had problems. It's also clear if he comes to us he will be under the intense scrutiny of the community. MAYBE THAT CAN BE TURNED INTO A POSITIVE. A coach is also an educator,they can help mold lives in a positive way. Yes,SIENA may gain a top level player,but the risk should be taken. A young person has to use his/her best attributes to build a positive life. I send a little financial support to Siena,because I love what it stands for. It's apparent Fr Kevin and John support COACH and his efforts or this discussion would not be taking place. People come in all flavors and shades,they don't all look or act like us,but they all deserve a chance to grow. I am proud my school is willing to accept a risk.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 9, 2013 7:57:41 GMT -5
Good dilemma here. I'm trying to decide whether we should sign Buie (not that my decision matters to anybody else). Believe me, I want to see us get back to the top of the MAAC as soon as possible. But as a group we have traditionally frowned upon signing these '3rd chance kids' (let's be honest). I guess my first question would be one that was already asked of oneindian for which I did not see a response. Why should we dismiss Burdine & Brookins and take on another risky kid? Truth be told, their infractions over the years seem very similar (although Buie's academics does not appear top be a problem). Is it strictly because of his basketball talent? I'm just trying to be intellectually honest here. Or is it as someone said, that was a quick way to rid ourselves of any of MB detritus? And in reality we arte picking up somebody else's, although more talented? I have some concern about team chemistry as well.
I'm not trying to make any judgements here, just come to a conclusion for myself. And, at what point is it going to be OK to take another '3rd chance kid'?
When all is said and done, I have no choice but to trust JP right now.
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Post by musicman on Jun 9, 2013 9:03:28 GMT -5
Good dilemma here. I'm trying to decide whether we should sign Buie (not that my decision matters to anybody else). Believe me, I want to see us get back to the top of the MAAC as soon as possible. But as a group we have traditionally frowned upon signing these '3rd chance kids' (let's be honest). I guess my first question would be one that was already asked of oneindian for which I did not see a response. Why should we dismiss Burdine & Brookins and take on another risky kid? Truth be told, their infractions over the years seem very similar (although Buie's academics does not appear top be a problem). Is it strictly because of his basketball talent? I'm just trying to be intellectually honest here. Or is it as someone said, that was a quick way to rid ourselves of any of MB detritus? And in reality we arte picking up somebody else's, although more talented? I have some concern about team chemistry as well. I'm not trying to make any judgements here, just come to a conclusion for myself. And, at what point is it going to be OK to take another '3rd chance kid'? When all is said and done, I have no choice but to trust JP right now. I think your thought process is on the money. I am and have been very impressed by JP. I think we have all been impressed by his big personality and smooth style. But I have been most impressed by his ability to be a teacher, the desire to want more for his players than just a good record. This man has a lot of class and integrity. I have the utmost trust in JP that he is going to do the right thing for his boys and for Siena. I love the fact that JP is a real person. He even uses his own shortcomings in his past as examples to help in the maturation of his young men under his charge. I really think we are very fortunate at this time to have him at Siena. Until he proves me wrong, I am going to have total faith in him. He has that "it" factor and I truly think he is a builder of young men. Corny maybe but JP is the real deal.
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Post by MTS on Jun 9, 2013 13:06:13 GMT -5
I think Jimmy was going to give Burdine another chance. He simply didn't do what he had to in school and failed out. Kind of like Al Fisher when Fran first got the job in 2005. As for Brookins his infractions were committed at Siena. Buie's were not. And yes there is some truth to the fact of any connection to the previous regime is more likely to be moved on rather than someone the new coach has decided to bring in. I wasn't crazy with it at first but if he can play right away, I'm all for bringing Buie in because he can help us rebuild quicker. But I expect him to be on a very short leash. He has to know that is is truly his last chance to play and graduate at a D1 school (and in his hometown).
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jun 9, 2013 18:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jun 10, 2013 9:32:48 GMT -5
does anyone know the current status of Taran .. Appears news is just being recycled ... Below from yesterday If it's based on the NCAA granting a family hardship waiver, it may be a while til we know more. In 2012, news about players who were denied or granted their waivers came out in mid-July.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 10, 2013 9:42:45 GMT -5
No waiver, and it's a very good possibility he may be finishing his career at St. Rose.
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 10, 2013 11:58:17 GMT -5
No waiver, and it's a very good possibility he may be finishing his career at St. Rose. Have you heard something and are sharing it or are you saying: if no waiver there's "a very good possibility he may be finishing his career at St. Rose."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:13:03 GMT -5
No waiver, and it's a very good possibility he may be finishing his career at St. Rose. Have you heard something and are sharing it or are you saying: if no waiver there's "a very good possibility he may be finishing his career at St. Rose." Whichever one comes true so he can appear to know.
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Post by knicksaint on Jun 10, 2013 16:44:36 GMT -5
While HJ's post could be taken more than one way, I believe he was saying that if no waiver is granted, St. Rose is a possible destinsation for Taran.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 10, 2013 17:38:34 GMT -5
Magic isn't the brightest bulb, but knicksaint is. With no waiver, I can't see any D-1 team taking on Buie. He can only get the hardship waiver in this area. So since UA has made it clear they aren't interested, and Siena is the only other D-1 basketball school here, UNLESS Buie gets a waiver for a 2-year career at Siena, St. Rose (D-2 where he could play right away for 2 years cost free) would be a very good possibility. Especially IF finishing college close to his sick father is a legit concern.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jun 10, 2013 19:28:22 GMT -5
Magic isn't the brightest bulb, but knicksaint is. With no waiver, I can't see any D-1 team taking on Buie. He can only get the hardship waiver in this area. So since UA has made it clear they aren't interested, and Siena is the only other D-1 basketball school here, UNLESS Buie gets a waiver for a 2-year career at Siena, St. Rose (D-2 where he could play right away for 2 years cost free) would be a very good possibility. Especially IF finishing college close to his sick father is a legit concern. I wonder if his people called Marist. UMass, UConn, and West Point (ha) round out the list of Division I programs within 100 miles.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 10, 2013 22:13:27 GMT -5
Magic isn't the brightest bulb, but knicksaint is. With no waiver, I can't see any D-1 team taking on Buie. He can only get the hardship waiver in this area. So since UA has made it clear they aren't interested, and Siena is the only other D-1 basketball school here, UNLESS Buie gets a waiver for a 2-year career at Siena, St. Rose (D-2 where he could play right away for 2 years cost free) would be a very good possibility. Especially IF finishing college close to his sick father is a legit concern. I wonder if his people called Marist. UMass, UConn, and West Point (ha) round out the list of Division I programs within 100 miles. His people can call everyone they can find - it probably won't matter. None of the nearby division 1 programs are going to touch that kid with his history...except for Siena apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 6:32:11 GMT -5
Magic isn't the brightest bulb, but knicksaint is. With no waiver, I can't see any D-1 team taking on Buie. He can only get the hardship waiver in this area. So since UA has made it clear they aren't interested, and Siena is the only other D-1 basketball school here, UNLESS Buie gets a waiver for a 2-year career at Siena, St. Rose (D-2 where he could play right away for 2 years cost free) would be a very good possibility. Especially IF finishing college close to his sick father is a legit concern. It's funny I wasn't the first who said your post wasn't clear but I'm the one who you singled out and insulted, since nolesaint (Rob, Voice) is a former moderator. You constantly post misleading stuff so you can later claim you "knew" something. Glad I'm not the only one who sees it, anyways.
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