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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 18:37:06 GMT -5
Come on get serious -- where are we going to recruit a kid as talented as Taran in mid June--that can play in 2013/14. Like I said if you dont want him.. but we are not going to get anyone anywhere near his talent level in mid June..if he doesn't work out we are no worse off then we currently are-- if he does work out , Siena will be one of the better tams in MAAC next year-- so whats the downside ? I'm no expert but I understand that. I meant 2014 kids. My question is why some are all over this this kid because he was a top 100 talent. Tell me he has played up to that hype. If your going to say its because he hasn't been in the right system and he would flourish here that's fine but how is that opinion any different than somebody saying well this are his stats so far and I think that's what he will bring to the table.
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 19:14:29 GMT -5
So in your opinion we shouldn’t sign Taran.. and go with what we have—even if it means a 4th losing season in a row? Do I have that correct?
Let me ask you this have you seen Taran play? —I have in person several times and on TV . . Not saying the KID is an all American – but I’ll be surprised if he isn’t one of the better guards in the MAAC next year
The kid played in crappy systems at Penn State and Hofstra last year - can’t be any blunter than that. From what I understand he is a good student--- so that shouldn’t be a concern … So once again.. what’s your beef with the kid—you all knew Jimmy likes to give kids second chances—he did at Loyola and told the Siena faithful he would here—now he gets us one of the better transfers available, a kid that fills a definite need , a kid that will have a better season than any possible available freshmen would, a kid that helps balance the classes off-- a kid that the head coach definitely thinks will help ( or he wouldn’t be interested in him) and you have a problem with him… me thinks it has nothing to do with his talent and all about his past--- and hey that’s fine if that’s your opinion ..just say it
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Post by psycholojets on Jun 6, 2013 19:21:50 GMT -5
This is on Jimmie. He is putting his rep on the line if he takes this kid. I have mixed feelings but I have never had a conversation with the kid. I have never looked him in the eye while discussing his choices in the past. I have also never seen him play. Jimmie has and if he believes the kid is worth the risk then I will get behind it.
As a fan still smarting from the Program Wrecker I want to believe that Jimmie is a Program Builder. These decisions will go a long way towards showing if he is.
Jimmie has a lot more skin in this game than anybody in this board! Actually more than all of us combined!
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Post by musicman on Jun 6, 2013 19:35:23 GMT -5
This is on Jimmie. He is putting his rep on the line if he takes this kid. I have mixed feelings but I have never had a conversation with the kid. I have never looked him in the eye while discussing his choices in the past. I have also never seen him play. Jimmie has and if he believes the kid is worth the risk then I will get behind it. As a fan still smarting from the Program Wrecker I want to believe that Jimmie is a Program Builder. These decisions will go a long way towards showing if he is. Jimmie has a lot more skin in this game than anybody in this board! Actually more than all of us combined! very, very well said! This is why he has been brought here.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 6, 2013 19:37:38 GMT -5
Tony - you must admit that you would be killing Iona if they were picking him up, right? I'd be real surprised if you wouldn't be, right along with everyone else here.
While I agree that he should be a talent upgrade for the team, I question whether the baggage that he is carrying can adversely affect the team in other ways.
I know this is all speculation, but there are reasons why we have generally mocked other teams in the conference for taking kids with similarly checkered histories.
Whatever happens, I hope it works out for the best. Go Saints!
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Post by Tony on Jun 6, 2013 19:45:34 GMT -5
Tony - you must admit that you would be killing Iona if they were picking him up, right? I'd be real surprised if you wouldn't be, right along with everyone else here. While I agree that he should be a talent upgrade for the team, I question whether the baggage that he is carrying can adversely affect the team in other ways. I know this is all speculation, but there are reasons why we have generally mocked other teams in the conference for taking kids with similarly checkered histories. Whatever happens, I hope it works out for the best. Go Saints! Excuse me--- where did I ever kill Iona for taking a single transfer--- big difference between taking a chance on a kid and having a roster full of “risks” .. Bottom line here is Jimmy is doing what he thinks is best for the program- until he proves differently I intend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Some of you may fail to realize how bad a shape the PW left us. So far Jimmy is doing a bang up job of getting us some talent. Jimmy has talked to the kid, judged his character and if he decides to give him a scholarship , I’m behind it 100%-- no doubt somewhat a risk—but also no doubt the potential payoff is rather large. Some of you guys killing Taran the last few days will be singing his praise when he drops 25 points on some big time program and we beat them
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Post by musicman on Jun 6, 2013 19:52:06 GMT -5
Tony - you must admit that you would be killing Iona if they were picking him up, right? I'd be real surprised if you wouldn't be, right along with everyone else here. While I agree that he should be a talent upgrade for the team, I question whether the baggage that he is carrying can adversely affect the team in other ways. I know this is all speculation, but there are reasons why we have generally mocked other teams in the conference for taking kids with similarly checkered histories. Whatever happens, I hope it works out for the best. Go Saints! Excuse me--- where did I ever kill Iona for taking a single transfer--- big difference between taking a chance on a kid and having a roster full of “risks” .. Bottom line here is Jimmy is doing what he thinks is best for the program- until he proves differently I intend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Some of you may fail to realize how bad a shape the PW left us. So far Jimmy is doing a bang up job of getting us some talent. Jimmy has talked to the kid, judged his character and if he decides to give him a scholarship , I’m behind it 100%-- no doubt somewhat a risk—but also no doubt the potential payoff is rather large. Some of you guys killing Taran the last few days will be singing his praise when he drops 25 points on some big time program and we beat them that's what I'm talking about! too sweet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 20:06:13 GMT -5
Boy how this board has changed! And I don’t mean appearance. For two years I said the only way Mitch saves his job is if he gets a proven transfer or a proven junior college player. Many on the old board said that is not how Siena does it…….Well these times, they are a changing…….and I’m glad Jimmy is recruiting like most other colleges.
This is going to be an interesting year….Go Saints
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 6, 2013 20:08:03 GMT -5
Bottom line here is Jimmy is doing what he thinks is best for the program- until he proves differently I intend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Some of you may fail to realize how bad a shape the PW left us. So far Jimmy is doing a bang up job of getting us some talent. Jimmy has talked to the kid, judged his character and if he decides to give him a scholarship , I’m behind it 100%-- no doubt somewhat a risk—but also no doubt the potential payoff is rather large. Some of you guys killing Taran the last few days will be singing his praise when he drops 25 points on some big time program and we beat them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 20:34:36 GMT -5
Correct......his past has everything to do with it, when haven't I made that clear. As for judging basketball talent I'll leave that to the coaches. Call me what you want but I have no tolerance for bs especially if the person has a history of it not just a one time thing. So yea if this is what it takes to win consider me a loser.
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Post by MTS on Jun 6, 2013 20:50:21 GMT -5
Do you guys really think Jimmy would bring Buie into the program if he thought he was a ticking time bomb? Of course there's some risk but it is a calculated risk. I'm sure Jimmy has told Taran that he will not put up with any BS. This is where the coaching comes in. Fran benched Ubiles before his academics could cost him games or before the NCAA stepped in. The PW let Brookins and Burdine imploded. You think it's an accident what happened with them? I'm not saying they don't deserve blame because they certainly do but these are young guys - they need structure and discipline and both of them got neither.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 22:15:30 GMT -5
Sienafan- did you catch the tweet today from Siena about Jimmy's APR the past four years at Loyola? Something along the lines of being top 10% in the nation ... I know you carry the flag for us over at ass clown central but this is not IJC, Buie will not diminish the value of your degree from Siena and in reality PW dug such a hole that it is necessary.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 6, 2013 22:35:10 GMT -5
Tony - you must admit that you would be killing Iona if they were picking him up, right? I'd be real surprised if you wouldn't be, right along with everyone else here. While I agree that he should be a talent upgrade for the team, I question whether the baggage that he is carrying can adversely affect the team in other ways. I know this is all speculation, but there are reasons why we have generally mocked other teams in the conference for taking kids with similarly checkered histories. Whatever happens, I hope it works out for the best. Go Saints! Excuse me--- where did I ever kill Iona for taking a single transfer--- big difference between taking a chance on a kid and having a roster full of “risks” .. Bottom line here is Jimmy is doing what he thinks is best for the program- until he proves differently I intend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Some of you may fail to realize how bad a shape the PW left us. So far Jimmy is doing a bang up job of getting us some talent. Jimmy has talked to the kid, judged his character and if he decides to give him a scholarship , I’m behind it 100%-- no doubt somewhat a risk—but also no doubt the potential payoff is rather large. Some of you guys killing Taran the last few days will be singing his praise when he drops 25 points on some big time program and we beat them I didn't say you ever killed Iona for any transfers - I suggested that you would be doing it now if they took Taran. As far as I know, none of the Gaels transfers had the honor of being suspended by two different D1 programs before transferring. I think I've been clear that I really hope this works out for the program, JP and Taran (assuming it becomes reality). I am intrigued by his talent as well, but we can't deny the risk involved, nor the irony inherent in the excitement for his impending transfer to Siena.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 23:19:50 GMT -5
Sort of like the negativity you are showing against Taran -- but that's OK right? I should point out you dont know Taran and obviously never saw him play- because if you did you wouldn't be questioning his talent Clearly, it seems like I'm always going against the grain of popular opinion of this board. I don't want it to be that way. I'm obviously a staunch Siena loyalist. No, I haven't seen Taran in person. I've seen highlights. I know he's very athletic and has some crafty moves but even in some highlights I see some court IQ issues. You're always on me for not being there in person, I don't get that. This board often sells the rest of the MAAC short talent wise. I too am a victim of overrating Siena. But I'm a big believer in numbers as you know. Numbers aren't every thing but they are the least emotional way of predicting future performance. I look at Buie, and by the numbers, he's lacking. I get the whole "in a bad system" thing. It's the part of the same reason I give for sticking up for Hymes, Audu, Oliver, Bisping etc.. I just don't think Buie is as good as many Albany-ites think he is. Yes, Taylor Battle was good. Yes, Buie is athletic. But based on past performance he's really lacking. How much is to blame on his surroundings is debatable, but I think maybe it's more him. You guys get on me a lot here. But over the last two years no MAAC poster has predicted, at least officially on record, the MAAC standings results better than I. I try to stick to the numbers and the numbers tell me Buie is tremendously inefficient. At this point, not much is left talent wise. If Jimmy thinks Oliver's injury is an issue and Audu isn't gonna hack it and he needs another option, fine. Is Buie a risk worth taking? Gosh I just don't know. I wouldn't take the risk, personally. Not for what he's done so far. If Jimmy thinks otherwise fine but I will certainly be marking it down much like I still haven't forgiven Mitch for Damion Lee.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 6, 2013 23:29:42 GMT -5
At least Buies "hardship" request will be legit unlike 90% of the other crap that's going on in the D-1 transfer world. Let's look at it from the kids POV. This is his LAST chance.....period. He gets the boot from Siena, his basketball career is over. Maybe that reality will make this kid turn his life around!?
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