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Post by OneIndian on Jun 7, 2013 18:44:16 GMT -5
For the most part Patsos didn't recruit Saints at loyola.. many of his transfers had checkered pasts-- two good thing about Jimmy is 1) they almost always graduated from Loyola 2) he never recruited a team full of 2nd chance kids. Lets hope Jimmy is right on Taran- because barring something unusual- Taran will become part of the Siena team. He has a legit reason for the hardship waiver and I dont think hofstra will stand in way We all have checkered pasts to some extent or another - most of us have simply been fortunate enough to never get caught making our poor choices. Most of us also usually learn from our mistakes and don't repeat them. It's the ones who don't learn and keep making the same poor choices over and over again that concern me. We'd be all over Iona for taking a kid like this. But when Siena does it, suddenly it's okay just this once. SMH. A kid like what? Do you even have a clue as to what his issues were at PSU? As far as Hofstra goes I think he kept out of trouble and had respectable grades. You're acting like we're admitting a rapist or murderer! Get off your high horse!
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Post by bigsaintg on Jun 7, 2013 18:53:47 GMT -5
Lawyers! Lol
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 7, 2013 20:59:32 GMT -5
We all have checkered pasts to some extent or another - most of us have simply been fortunate enough to never get caught making our poor choices. Most of us also usually learn from our mistakes and don't repeat them. It's the ones who don't learn and keep making the same poor choices over and over again that concern me. We'd be all over Iona for taking a kid like this. But when Siena does it, suddenly it's okay just this once. SMH. A kid like what? Do you even have a clue as to what his issues were at PSU? As far as Hofstra goes I think he kept out of trouble and had respectable grades. You're acting like we're admitting a rapist or murderer! Get off your high horse! Buie was suspended at Hofstra right before the '12-'13 season for unspecified violations the school won't state - most likely alcohol or drug related like Burdine and Brookins. Then on March 12th, he was arrested by Nassau police and issued a desk appearance ticket after being charged with aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle. So for you to argue that he kept out of trouble at Hofstra in clear contradiction of the facts tells me that debating this matter with you is a waste of my time because you don't even know what you're talking about. As for his time at Penn State, his issues were as follows: He had drinking tickets and a fighting citation. He followed that up with an arraignment in State College, Pa. on charges of misdemeanor theft and receiving stolen property. According to a Centre Daily Times report, authorities say Buie took a smartphone from a campus party in February and, in a separate incident, failed to report to police a phone he found in a cab. While by no means a rapist or murderer, ask yourself this honestly: would you volunteer your child to be roommates with him? You guys are all over Burdine and Brookins and were all too happy to see them gone for their transgressions. I wonder what makes them so much worse than Buie that they had to go, while he's welcome.
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Post by $cott on Jun 7, 2013 21:25:27 GMT -5
A kid like what? Do you even have a clue as to what his issues were at PSU? As far as Hofstra goes I think he kept out of trouble and had respectable grades. You're acting like we're admitting a rapist or murderer! Get off your high horse! Buie was suspended at Hofstra right before the '12-'13 season for unspecified violations the school won't state - most likely alcohol or drug related like Burdine and Brookins. Then on March 12th, he was arrested by Nassau police and issued a desk appearance ticket after being charged with aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle. So for you to argue that he kept out of trouble at Hofstra in clear contradiction of the facts tells me that debating this matter with you is a waste of my time because you don't even know what you're talking about. As for his time at Penn State, his issues were as follows: He had drinking tickets and a fighting citation. He followed that up with an arraignment in State College, Pa. on charges of misdemeanor theft and receiving stolen property. According to a Centre Daily Times report, authorities say Buie took a smartphone from a campus party in February and, in a separate incident, failed to report to police a phone he found in a cab. While by no means a rapist or murderer, ask yourself this honestly: would you volunteer your child to be roommates with him? You guys are all over Burdine and Brookins and were all too happy to see them gone for their transgressions. I wonder what makes them so much worse than Buie that they had to go, while he's welcome. I think it is pretty simple. Brookins and Burdine were part of the Mitch era and the sooner we can all forget that era the better. So if that means getting Mitch guys out of here quicker so Jimmy can bring in his own guys then so be it. Plus the Buie move is as opposite a Mitch move as Patsos could have possibly made.
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 8, 2013 7:41:22 GMT -5
A kid like what? Do you even have a clue as to what his issues were at PSU? As far as Hofstra goes I think he kept out of trouble and had respectable grades. You're acting like we're admitting a rapist or murderer! Get off your high horse! Buie was suspended at Hofstra right before the '12-'13 season for unspecified violations the school won't state - most likely alcohol or drug related like Burdine and Brookins. Then on March 12th, he was arrested by Nassau police and issued a desk appearance ticket after being charged with aggravated unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle and unlicensed operation of a motor vehicle. So for you to argue that he kept out of trouble at Hofstra in clear contradiction of the facts tells me that debating this matter with you is a waste of my time because you don't even know what you're talking about. As for his time at Penn State, his issues were as follows: He had drinking tickets and a fighting citation. He followed that up with an arraignment in State College, Pa. on charges of misdemeanor theft and receiving stolen property. According to a Centre Daily Times report, authorities say Buie took a smartphone from a campus party in February and, in a separate incident, failed to report to police a phone he found in a cab. While by no means a rapist or murderer, ask yourself this honestly: would you volunteer your child to be roommates with him? You guys are all over Burdine and Brookins and were all too happy to see them gone for their transgressions. I wonder what makes them so much worse than Buie that they had to go, while he's welcome. Sienafan - I have always appreciated your insight, contributions and general comments on the board. That being said - I am disappointed that you'd post that info about Buie! Stating your general concerns for not wanting him is absolutely fine but YOU are trashing the kid and therefore hurting him, the coaches, program and school (your degree) by posting all these "charged with" comments. IMO, this is beneath you. It would be better to PM, email or call posters to discuss charges, etc.
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Post by greenblood on Jun 8, 2013 9:08:36 GMT -5
With all due respect, the charges are public record. In fact, Brookins has still only been 'charged' and he has already been dismissed. So....Sienafan isn't accusing Buie of anything or putting him in any situation that he didn't put himself in. He isn't throwing Taran under the bus, the kid has been a wreck all on his own for a very long time.
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 8, 2013 10:33:11 GMT -5
You can probably find those incidents occuring on every college campus any day of the week but because he's a high profile basketball player it's news worthy Yes he has exercised poor judgment and yes it's a concern when these petty incidents pile up! BUT to not want to give a kid another chance because you're concerned about the APR or your degree is a joke!
This is Patsos decision and his ass is on the line. I like to think he has more insight and common sense regarding this matter then you! It really must be nice to be such a perfect human being w/ no skeletons in your closet.
Actually you're the type of person I hope my children never have a close relationship with because you're someone who can't forgive and can't givr an individual another chance. You're just as bad in my book!
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Post by psycholojets on Jun 8, 2013 10:57:23 GMT -5
If Taran were not an athlete would he be accepted as a matriculating resident student at Siena? I don't know the answer to that question but think it has some relevance to this discussion, which I am tiring of quickly BTW.
It sounds like if he gets his release from Hofstra he will be coming and I know that if he comes we will ALL cheer for him when he takes the court.
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 8, 2013 11:22:03 GMT -5
With all due respect, the charges are public record. In fact, Brookins has still only been 'charged' and he has already been dismissed. So....Sienafan isn't accusing Buie of anything or putting him in any situation that he didn't put himself in. He isn't throwing Taran under the bus, the kid has been a wreck all on his own for a very long time. Of course the charges are public record does that mean we should still be talking about Miracles or missing pursues, fire alarms, etc. I don't think so. I did not say Sienafan was accusing him of anything merely that he DID air a lot of dirty laundry when the discussion didn't go his way. Taran has had his problems there is no denying just like there is no denying that Jimmy has had a LOT of success with kids like him over the years. My point was and is, until we have reason not to, lets trust Jimmy to run and grow the program. In the end he will be judged based on his outcomes with this being on of his first real tests at Siena.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 16:32:50 GMT -5
With all due respect, the charges are public record. In fact, Brookins has still only been 'charged' and he has already been dismissed. So....Sienafan isn't accusing Buie of anything or putting him in any situation that he didn't put himself in. He isn't throwing Taran under the bus, the kid has been a wreck all on his own for a very long time. Of course the charges are public record does that mean we should still be talking about Miracles or missing pursues, fire alarms, etc. I don't think so. I did not say Sienafan was accusing him of anything merely that he DID air a lot of dirty laundry when the discussion didn't go his way. Taran has had his problems there is no denying just like there is no denying that Jimmy has had a LOT of success with kids like him over the years. My point was and is, until we have reason not to, lets trust Jimmy to run and grow the program. In the end he will be judged based on his outcomes with this being on of his first real tests at Siena. I'll chuck this up to a bad day for you.......I hope.
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Post by knicksaint on Jun 8, 2013 17:30:55 GMT -5
I'll bet that when this thread was started, no one envisioned it would generate so many passionate responses on both sides.
My understanding that unless and until Taran gets a waiver, this is nothing but a hypothetical question. I have heard from multiple sources that the staff will not bring Taran on board unless he can play immediately, which would give him two years of eligibility. One year is not enough, and the fact is that the 2013-14 team needs him more than the 2014-15 team will, since Pat Cole will be eligible then.
Now, let's look at things from Taran's perspective. Based on Will Brown's recent self-serving and completely unnecessary tweet, Siena is Taran's only apparent opportunity to play two more years of D1 ball. Without the waiver, what college is realistically going to tie up a scholarship for two years to get one year of play? Not that it hasn't happened before (Jeff Jones from UVA to Rider being the most recent example I recall), but given Taran's off-the-court issues, the likelihood of that happening is minuscule. Therefore, without the waiver, he would have to look at an NAIA or D2 or D3 school to finish his career. And even with the waiver, he has to know that one misstep and his D1 career is done.
Siena has a history of giving people second chances. How else can you explain the hiring of Mitch as head coach? But there have been second chance success stories as well. One involved a man who had dropped out of college during the Depression to help support his family after his father became ill. Several years later, after moving to Albany, he was on the campus repairing a piece of equipment in one of the science labs. A comment he made to himself about how much he wanted to go back to college was overheard by one of the Franciscan faculty members, and the man, then in his mid-30's, was able to enroll, graduate, and go on to a more than 20 year career as professor at Siena. The man, my father, is the reason I became a passionate Siena fan.
I don't have a crystal ball to be able to predict that Taran will get the waiver, but I think he knows this is his last chance, and if he gets it, he will do what he needs to do to make the most of it with the guidance of Jimmy and his staff.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 8, 2013 18:22:58 GMT -5
I'll bet that when this thread was started, no one envisioned it would generate so many passionate responses on both sides. My understanding that unless and until Taran gets a waiver, this is nothing but a hypothetical question. I have heard from multiple sources that the staff will not bring Taran on board unless he can play immediately, which would give him two years of eligibility. One year is not enough, and the fact is that the 2013-14 team needs him more than the 2014-15 team will, since Pat Cole will be eligible then. Now, let's look at things from Taran's perspective. Based on Will Brown's recent self-serving and completely unnecessary tweet, Siena is Taran's only apparent opportunity to play two more years of D1 ball. Without the waiver, what college is realistically going to tie up a scholarship for two years to get one year of play? Not that it hasn't happened before (Jeff Jones from UVA to Rider being the most recent example I recall), but given Taran's off-the-court issues, the likelihood of that happening is minuscule. Therefore, without the waiver, he would have to look at an NAIA or D2 or D3 school to finish his career. And even with the waiver, he has to know that one misstep and his D1 career is done. Siena has a history of giving people second chances. How else can you explain the hiring of Mitch as head coach? But there have been second chance success stories as well. One involved a man who had dropped out of college during the Depression to help support his family after his father became ill. Several years later, after moving to Albany, he was on the campus repairing a piece of equipment in one of the science labs. A comment he made to himself about how much he wanted to go back to college was overheard by one of the Franciscan faculty members, and the man, then in his mid-30's, was able to enroll, graduate, and go on to a more than 20 year career as professor at Siena. The man, my father, is the reason I became a passionate Siena fan. I don't have a crystal ball to be able to predict that Taran will get the waiver, but I think he knows this is his last chance, and if he gets it, he will do what he needs to do to make the most of it with the guidance of Jimmy and his staff. Great post
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 8, 2013 18:36:20 GMT -5
knickssaint very well said .....
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Post by MTS on Jun 8, 2013 19:35:29 GMT -5
Great post Knick... great story about your dad and Siena. I really think Taran will get the waiver and be playing for us next season. The NCAA have given a lot of them out and supposedly want to cut back on them but Taran is from Albany originally and his ill father lives here. Plus he's a pretty good student. I don't see why the NCAA would not grant the waiver and allow him to play at Siena during the 2013-14 season. Fingers are crossed it gets done!
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Post by nysaintfan on Jun 8, 2013 22:41:04 GMT -5
But there have been second chance success stories as well. One involved a man who had dropped out of college during the Depression to help support his family after his father became ill. Several years later, after moving to Albany, he was on the campus repairing a piece of equipment in one of the science labs. A comment he made to himself about how much he wanted to go back to college was overheard by one of the Franciscan faculty members, and the man, then in his mid-30's, was able to enroll, graduate, and go on to a more than 20 year career as professor at Siena. The man, my father, is the reason I became a passionate Siena fan. Knicksaint - thanks for sharing this story about your Dad. I can see why you are a passionate Siena fan!
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