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Post by IndianSaint on Jul 2, 2022 9:17:50 GMT -5
www.timesunion.com/sports/article/One-year-into-NIL-era-fresh-questions-about-its-17277006.phpHopefully the NCAA fixes it before it gets further out of control. “If” the original intent was just to allow “pocket/minor spending money” then its reasonably to also place a cap on that “pocket spending money” to some reasonable max; maybe say $2k per year/season/per player. How much extra pocket money dose a college student in scholarship really reasonably need anyway? Anything greater not only allows unfair advantages from the colleges with deep pockets an unfair advantage but the student athletic already getting a free ride. I hope this bites the NCAA in the Ass and they learn from this sooner rather than later when they ruin college basketball forever.
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Post by glen on Jul 2, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -5
Did these morons think any of this through? How did they see this playing out?
"The NCAA interim NIL policy says there is to be no pay for play, no recruiting inducements and that athletes must provide a service in exchange for pay. With the schools themselves left out of the loop in the wheeling and dealing, so-called booster collectives sprung up to provide earning opportunities — and, critics say, recruiting enticements."
What were the guidelines? Is the above it? And now, in true NCAA fashion, they want to go after the most aggregious examples. On what basis? If a kid is getting $800K and a car to star in commercials, how is that a problem? Do they have to wait until they're registered to sign the deal? If so, that seems like a very minor hurdle. How is "pay for play" or "recruiting inducement" defined?
As Arnold would say, those are loopholes big enough to drive a Hummer through.
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 10:21:55 GMT -5
www.timesunion.com/sports/article/One-year-into-NIL-era-fresh-questions-about-its-17277006.phpHopefully the NCAA fixes it before it gets further out of control. “If” the original intent was just to allow “pocket/minor spending money” then its reasonably to also place a cap on that “pocket spending money” to some reasonable max; maybe say $2k per year/season/per player. How much extra pocket money dose a college student in scholarship really reasonably need anyway? Anything greater not only allows unfair advantages from the colleges with deep pockets an unfair advantage but the student athletic already getting a free ride. I hope this bites the NCAA in the Ass and they learn from this sooner rather than later when they ruin college basketball forever. I can't read behind that paywall now, but I doubt the NCAA really knew what their intent was. Think they had to do something quick as a result of a court decision. Now the genie's probably out of the bottle and think this latest conference scramble is somewhat related.
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 10:24:15 GMT -5
Did these morons think any of this through? How did they see this playing out? "The NCAA interim NIL policy says there is to be no pay for play, no recruiting inducements and that athletes must provide a service in exchange for pay. With the schools themselves left out of the loop in the wheeling and dealing, so-called booster collectives sprung up to provide earning opportunities — and, critics say, recruiting enticements." What were the guidelines? Is the above it? And now, in true NCAA fashion, they want to go after the most aggregious examples. On what basis? If a kid is getting $800K and a car to star in commercials, how is that a problem? Do they have to wait until they're registered to sign the deal? If so, that seems like a very minor hurdle. How is "pay for play" or "recruiting inducement" defined? As Arnold would say, those are loopholes big enough to drive a Hummer through. All great questions. I doubt this could get much grayer. How can they regulate this? They had a hard time when NO money was legal.
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Post by gorvy on Jul 2, 2022 10:34:43 GMT -5
The way I understood it colleges were profiting on the NIL of players who in turn had no way to be compensated for their services other than the scholarship (whether full or partial). So I agree once the ncaa capitulated, how can you now put a cap on it and regulate it? Free market let it roll... it's up to us to put a stop to it. We won't though... or will we?
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 11:15:30 GMT -5
The way I understood it colleges were profiting on the NIL of players who in turn had no way to be compensated for their services other than the scholarship (whether full or partial). So I agree once the ncaa capitulated, how can you now put a cap on it and regulate it? Free market let it roll... it's up to us to put a stop to it. We won't though... or will we? By 'we' - who do you mean? Average fans of mid majors? Certainly not the fans and wealthy alumni/boosters of the majors? They are benefitting and probably always will. And what could we possibly do anyway? I think it's up to the voices of the coaches, ADs, presidents and admins of all 350 D1 schools. But they have to have a reasonable alternative to propose. They also should be very strict about the 'no sit' just once - very few hardship exceptions. Plus it will settle down a LITTLE once we get past the whole 'covid extra year' thing.
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Post by gorvy on Jul 2, 2022 11:22:38 GMT -5
The way I understood it colleges were profiting on the NIL of players who in turn had no way to be compensated for their services other than the scholarship (whether full or partial). So I agree once the ncaa capitulated, how can you now put a cap on it and regulate it? Free market let it roll... it's up to us to put a stop to it. We won't though... or will we? By 'we' - who do you mean? Average fans of mid majors? Certainly not the fans and wealthy alumni/boosters of the majors? They are benefitting and probably always will. And what could we possibly do anyway? I think it's up to the voices of the coaches, ADs, presidents and admins of all 350 D1 schools. But they have to have a reasonable alternative to propose. They also should be very strict about the 'no sit' just once - very few hardship exceptions. Plus it will settle down a LITTLE once we get past the whole 'covid extra year' thing. I mean fans in general. Things change when the masses protest. That's how it works. So if "we" the fans of college basketball stop going to college basketball games, or supporting the programs in any other way ie cable subscriptions etc than perhaps things will change. If not, it probably won't.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jul 2, 2022 11:34:05 GMT -5
Back in the days of Jerry Tarkanian the UNLV players parking lot looked like a BMW dealer lot … now everything is in the open w no chance of being penalized by NCAA thus more schools are doing it
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Post by saints15 on Jul 2, 2022 12:57:26 GMT -5
NIL exists because of a Supreme Court case from last summer (oh and it was a 9-0 decision so you can’t blame Trumps judges for this one!). They basically said it was an anti-trust violation to limit an athlete’s ability to make money on his NIL. Any thought that the NCAA can now put a limit on the amount they can earn, or that NIL is going away is pure folly. Athletes do have to report their deals to the schools and the schools have to monitor that the deals are in compliance with NCAA rules regarding them, but the schools are not supposed to get in the middle of negotiating them or disbursing the money. NIL is here to stay. www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/06/29/business-of-football-supreme-court-unanimous-ruling
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 13:49:25 GMT -5
By 'we' - who do you mean? Average fans of mid majors? Certainly not the fans and wealthy alumni/boosters of the majors? They are benefitting and probably always will. And what could we possibly do anyway? I think it's up to the voices of the coaches, ADs, presidents and admins of all 350 D1 schools. But they have to have a reasonable alternative to propose. They also should be very strict about the 'no sit' just once - very few hardship exceptions. Plus it will settle down a LITTLE once we get past the whole 'covid extra year' thing. I mean fans in general. Things change when the masses protest. That's how it works. So if "we" the fans of college basketball stop going to college basketball games, or supporting the programs in any other way ie cable subscriptions etc than perhaps things will change. If not, it probably won't. There's not enough 'masses' that it impacts negatively so far. That's sort of what I said - fans of majors don't care. Not much reason for them to. The majors will NOT be that affected. The money will still be streaming to them. And nobody will care if fans of low majors ban their games. That might even be what the majors want. Seems like the whole trend is toward the bigs and away from the littles. I think it will depend on how the big non P-5 teams (A-10, ACC, MVC, etc) are treated and how they get thru this. They will have more leverage than our conferences to make any changes.
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 13:53:22 GMT -5
NIL exists because of a Supreme Court case from last summer (oh and it was a 9-0 decision so you can’t blame Trumps judges for this one!). They basically said it was an anti-trust violation to limit an athlete’s ability to make money on his NIL. Any thought that the NCAA can now put a limit on the amount they can earn, or that NIL is going away is pure folly. Athletes do have to report their deals to the schools and the schools have to monitor that the deals are in compliance with NCAA rules regarding them, but the schools are not supposed to get in the middle of negotiating them or disbursing the money. NIL is here to stay. www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/06/29/business-of-football-supreme-court-unanimous-rulingYou're right. I really don't know how much leverage the schools and even NCAA have with limiting or even regulating this because of that SCOTUS case. I would suggest they TRY some kind of guidance & limitation with regard to eligibility and see if it is challenged. Only other thing we talked about before was how this is taxed and who helps these 18-21 year olds navigate that and keep the IRS off their backs.
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Post by saints15 on Jul 2, 2022 14:02:12 GMT -5
NIL exists because of a Supreme Court case from last summer (oh and it was a 9-0 decision so you can’t blame Trumps judges for this one!). They basically said it was an anti-trust violation to limit an athlete’s ability to make money on his NIL. Any thought that the NCAA can now put a limit on the amount they can earn, or that NIL is going away is pure folly. Athletes do have to report their deals to the schools and the schools have to monitor that the deals are in compliance with NCAA rules regarding them, but the schools are not supposed to get in the middle of negotiating them or disbursing the money. NIL is here to stay. www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/06/29/business-of-football-supreme-court-unanimous-rulingYou're right. I really don't know how much leverage the schools and even NCAA have with limiting or even regulating this because of that SCOTUS case. I would suggest they TRY some kind of guidance & limitation with regard to eligibility and see if it is challenged. Only other thing we talked about before was how this is taxed and who helps these 18-21 year olds navigate that and keep the IRS off their backs. Good point about the taxes. There are a bunch of ‘firms’ popping up getting athletes to join them so they can negotiate their deals. I can see the true agent organizations getting into this piece of the business to create a stream of athletes for their professional contract services. Some may think that would be bad but those true professional agents have tax services that can help these kids with the taxes and financial guidance.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jul 2, 2022 14:15:38 GMT -5
The way I understood it colleges were profiting on the NIL of players who in turn had no way to be compensated for their services other than the scholarship (whether full or partial). So I agree once the ncaa capitulated, how can you now put a cap on it and regulate it? Free market let it roll... it's up to us to put a stop to it. We won't though... or will we? Remember when the Olympics & Grand Slam Tennis events were only for amateur athletes … then both were brought out from underneath the table …watch AAU will be next pretty soon CYO &. Little League will be the last standing amateur sports
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Post by indian82 on Jul 2, 2022 14:26:20 GMT -5
The way I understood it colleges were profiting on the NIL of players who in turn had no way to be compensated for their services other than the scholarship (whether full or partial). So I agree once the ncaa capitulated, how can you now put a cap on it and regulate it? Free market let it roll... it's up to us to put a stop to it. We won't though... or will we? Remember when the Olympics & Grand Slam Tennis events were only for amateur athletes … then both were brought out from underneath the table …watch AAU will be next pretty soon CYO &. Little League will be the last standing amateur sports Good points. Yes - A matter of time. And I certainly remember Olympics as amateur but I don't remember tennis Grand Slam events. How long ago was that? Pre Rod Laver days? Edit: I see THIS for the US Open - I assume the other majors were similar. "The open era began in 1968 when professional tennis players were allowed to compete for the first time at the Grand Slam tournament held at the West Side Tennis Club. The previous U.S. National Championships had been limited to amateur players. "
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Post by IndianSaint on Jul 2, 2022 14:38:39 GMT -5
www.timesunion.com/sports/article/One-year-into-NIL-era-fresh-questions-about-its-17277006.phpHopefully the NCAA fixes it before it gets further out of control. “If” the original intent was just to allow “pocket/minor spending money” then its reasonably to also place a cap on that “pocket spending money” to some reasonable max; maybe say $2k per year/season/per player. How much extra pocket money dose a college student in scholarship really reasonably need anyway? Anything greater not only allows unfair advantages from the colleges with deep pockets an unfair advantage but the student athletic already getting a free ride. I hope this bites the NCAA in the Ass and they learn from this sooner rather than later when they ruin college basketball forever. I can't read behind that paywall now, but I doubt the NCAA really knew what their intent was. Think they had to do something quick as a result of a court decision. Now the genie's probably out of the bottle and think this latest conference scramble is somewhat related. I don’t know if this will work for you but clear your web browser history/cache. I got to the article from Google and not any paid or logon TU site. I have to clear my Safari history after three Gazette articles. 🙂
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