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Post by MTS on Jun 15, 2022 11:25:00 GMT -5
Indeed, so when Aidan Carpenter quits on the team and the team decides they don’t want him around, you give him some cover and say he’s working on academics. Or you let Kyle Young be on a “personal leave of absence” or whatever we deemed it instead of announcing that he was a team cancer that the captains voted to kick off the team. That is exactly what you’re asking for, no?? I’m confused as to what you want him to say in these situations. And look — I do believe that being a “top 100 program” is bit unrealistic right now. Particularly without further investment by big-dollar donors in both the program and in NIL. Did you know we were never above 122 in KenPom in the Hewitt era? In the KenPom era (1997) we’ve never cracked top 100 other than during the three-peat. The top-100 MAAC teams of late have been the teams that go 17-3 in the league. Could we climb that mountain once or twice a decade? Sure. But perennially? No way. After Mitch and Patsos, we needed to start by becoming regularly competitive for MAAC titles. We’ve done that. And I’ll take that. Hopefully we can make that next step. I have no issues with his public comments on Kyle Young, the timing of it was a big problem but I think he handled the comments on it just fine. As to Carpenter, all he had to say is his injury is still bothering him and he's done for the year. There was no need for the bullcrap that he was focusing on his academics but might drive down on his own to join the team for the next round if he felt better. That was a ridiculous statement that never needed to be aired. I still see a ton of positives with Carm which is why I get frustrated with the negatives. I think he can be a great coach if he can work on some of his weaknesses. If he can't then I think he will be out of a job in 3 years. I think that things like resurrecting the "Chat with Coach Carm" section to this forum that has lied dormant for the past two years would be a step to addressing the vibes of smugness that is alienating a substantial portion of the fanbase. Or even just a really good statement on his rationale for going to countries where basketball is not a top sport for his recruits this year. Something more than a generalization like "portal kids suck". All fair points and you can get away with the secrecy when you win like Fran did. Carm’s been solid in the regular season for the most part. Even though last year was only 15-14 there was a stretch Siena played very good ball (15-7) to finish in the top 3. I’ve said it before he needs to get it done in March and get to the dance. From there like SPU proved anything can happen.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2022 11:25:48 GMT -5
Indeed, so when Aidan Carpenter quits on the team and the team decides they don’t want him around, you give him some cover and say he’s working on academics. Or you let Kyle Young be on a “personal leave of absence” or whatever we deemed it instead of announcing that he was a team cancer that the captains voted to kick off the team. That is exactly what you’re asking for, no?? I’m confused as to what you want him to say in these situations. And look — I do believe that being a “top 100 program” is bit unrealistic right now. Particularly without further investment by big-dollar donors in both the program and in NIL. Did you know we were never above 122 in KenPom in the Hewitt era? In the KenPom era (1997) we’ve never cracked top 100 other than during the three-peat. The top-100 MAAC teams of late have been the teams that go 17-3 in the league. Could we climb that mountain once or twice a decade? Sure. But perennially? No way. After Mitch and Patsos, we needed to start by becoming regularly competitive for MAAC titles. We’ve done that. And I’ll take that. Hopefully we can make that next step. I have no issues with his public comments on Kyle Young, the timing of it was a big problem but I think he handled the comments on it just fine. As to Carpenter, all he had to say is his injury is still bothering him and he's done for the year. There was no need for the bullcrap that he was focusing on his academics but might drive down on his own to join the team for the next round if he felt better. That was a ridiculous statement that never needed to be aired. I still see a ton of positives with Carm which is why I get frustrated with the negatives. I think he can be a great coach if he can work on some of his weaknesses. If he can't then I think he will be out of a job in 3 years. I think that things like resurrecting the "Chat with Coach Carm" section to this forum that has lied dormant for the past two years would be a step to addressing the vibes of smugness that is alienating a substantial portion of the fanbase. Or even just a really good statement on his rationale for going to countries where basketball is not a top sport for his recruits this year. Something more than a generalization like "portal kids suck". Of course, the coach I’m sure feels extremely motivated to answer message board questions on the same board that people say that the coach is clueless, is an asshole, has mailed it in, is dropping us to D2, etc.
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Post by $cott on Jun 15, 2022 11:29:48 GMT -5
I have no issues with his public comments on Kyle Young, the timing of it was a big problem but I think he handled the comments on it just fine. As to Carpenter, all he had to say is his injury is still bothering him and he's done for the year. There was no need for the bullcrap that he was focusing on his academics but might drive down on his own to join the team for the next round if he felt better. That was a ridiculous statement that never needed to be aired. I still see a ton of positives with Carm which is why I get frustrated with the negatives. I think he can be a great coach if he can work on some of his weaknesses. If he can't then I think he will be out of a job in 3 years. I think that things like resurrecting the "Chat with Coach Carm" section to this forum that has lied dormant for the past two years would be a step to addressing the vibes of smugness that is alienating a substantial portion of the fanbase. Or even just a really good statement on his rationale for going to countries where basketball is not a top sport for his recruits this year. Something more than a generalization like "portal kids suck". Of course, the coach I’m sure feels extremely motivated to answer message board questions on the same board that people say that the coach is clueless, is an asshole, has mailed it in, is dropping us to D2, etc. That's kind of part of the job. If you can't take the heat then you are better served working as an assistant. Even when Fran was here there was plenty of criticism for giving up too many easy baskets or not being able to control his temper. Hell, he's got Iowa to #1 in the nation and half their fanbase wants him fired. I'm a Bills fan and see actual conversations of whether McDermott should be fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl this year. Now that is crazy talk!
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2022 11:38:53 GMT -5
Of course, the coach I’m sure feels extremely motivated to answer message board questions on the same board that people say that the coach is clueless, is an asshole, has mailed it in, is dropping us to D2, etc. That's kind of part of the job. If you can't take the heat then you are better served working as an assistant. Even when Fran was here there was plenty of criticism for giving up too many easy baskets or not being able to control his temper. Hell, he's got Iowa to #1 in the nation and half their fanbase wants him fired. I'm a Bills fan and see actual conversations of whether McDermott should be fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl this year. Now that is crazy talk! Coaching criticism is part of it. Personal attacks aren’t… at least if you want to have a relationship with the person.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 15, 2022 11:46:03 GMT -5
Looking at NI’s board I wouldn’t say they were overly enamored. Read comments like; not impressed, looks stiff, hope he can contribute, maybe a 9th guy, maybe we can get 7 min out of him, is he walk-on, & there were also positive comments; he’ll be ok, decent shooter, decent passer, talent available world-wide etc… mixed in. They appear to be a bit more civil over there 😉 but overall theme was similar to here, some optimistic and those questioning whether he’s a MM player. I’ve never had an issue with people questioning Tekin. Shit, I have my doubts!! The issue is with the idiots who think taking a European means Carm has mailed it in or has no clue or any of the other ridiculous comments made my a segment of this board. All for a coach who has won two regular season titles, 70% of his MAAC games, and never finished outside the top 3 of the conference. The criticism by that contingent has been too harsh and in my view, rather unfair. +1000000
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Post by orange77 on Jun 15, 2022 11:52:25 GMT -5
Back to the topic at hand, when are Zeke and all the other newcomers expected to arrive on campus and begin workouts?
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 15, 2022 11:57:00 GMT -5
I’ve never had an issue with people questioning Tekin. Shit, I have my doubts!! The issue is with the idiots who think taking a European means Carm has mailed it in or has no clue or any of the other ridiculous comments made my a segment of this board. All for a coach who has won two regular season titles, 70% of his MAAC games, and never finished outside the top 3 of the conference. The criticism by that contingent has been too harsh and in my view, rather unfair. Is it unfair though? I agree that some of the criticism has gone too far but the first two seasons were with Jalen Pickett and Manny Camper and once Carm had his handpicked team he did manage 3rd in the MAAC but with a KenPom close to 300 most of the year and a first round exit to the 11 seed. If that is how we are measuring success in this program then I'm not on board. Now we are facing year 4 and his weakest recruiting class on paper. In that stretch Carm has gone from answering questions on this board to completely turning his back on the fanbase and blatantly lying about the Aidan Carpenter situation. There is a complete lack of transparency and trust right now between Carm and the season ticket holders. This is a fanbase that was recently burnt by a CBI championship and all sorts of excitement at the start of the Patsos era that turned into bitter disappointment by the end. I really hope we aren't on our way to getting burnt again and the fear of that is why so many are on edge. It would go a long way if Carm simply reached out to the fans and spoke about his rationale around this recruiting class. Whether or not his rationale proves right or wrong in the long run, just speaking up and explaining his thinking would go a long way towards starting to build back that trust. 3rd (with a ton of major injuries (AP, TO, JM, JB, NH & JJ) and at the end of the season AG’s and AC not playing coupled e/those injuries resulted in the poor MAAC Tournament showing. At the beginning of the season, our OOC schedule, we didn’t get AP till late and our heavy transfer/new in coming freshmen needed a little time to gel as a team. So I don’t consider a 3rd place finish when the experts had us lower a bad year/season; considering those injuries. JMO Now for those who’ll label my excuses as “excuses” that shouldn’t matter to promote their negativity agenda. 🙂
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Post by indian82 on Jun 15, 2022 11:58:15 GMT -5
Of course, the coach I’m sure feels extremely motivated to answer message board questions on the same board that people say that the coach is clueless, is an asshole, has mailed it in, is dropping us to D2, etc. That's kind of part of the job. If you can't take the heat then you are better served working as an assistant. Even when Fran was here there was plenty of criticism for giving up too many easy baskets or not being able to control his temper. Hell, he's got Iowa to #1 in the nation and half their fanbase wants him fired. I'm a Bills fan and see actual conversations of whether McDermott should be fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl this year. Now that is crazy talk! I don't think he owes 15-20 people (if that?) on this board that. Not saying he can't benefit himself and the program by improving his communication with the media and the overall fan base.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 15, 2022 12:00:00 GMT -5
Is it unfair though? I agree that some of the criticism has gone too far but the first two seasons were with Jalen Pickett and Manny Camper and once Carm had his handpicked team he did manage 3rd in the MAAC but with a KenPom close to 300 most of the year and a first round exit to the 11 seed. If that is how we are measuring success in this program then I'm not on board. Now we are facing year 4 and his weakest recruiting class on paper. In that stretch Carm has gone from answering questions on this board to completely turning his back on the fanbase and blatantly lying about the Aidan Carpenter situation. There is a complete lack of transparency and trust right now between Carm and the season ticket holders. This is a fanbase that was recently burnt by a CBI championship and all sorts of excitement at the start of the Patsos era that turned into bitter disappointment by the end. I really hope we aren't on our way to getting burnt again and the fear of that is why so many are on edge. It would go a long way if Carm simply reached out to the fans and spoke about his rationale around this recruiting class. Whether or not his rationale proves right or wrong in the long run, just speaking up and explaining his thinking would go a long way towards starting to build back that trust. 3rd (with a ton of major injuries (AP, TO, JM, JB, NH & JJ) and at the end of the season AG’s and AC not playing coupled e/those injuries resulted in the poor MAAC Tournament showing. At the beginning of the season, our OOC schedule, we didn’t get AP till late and our heavy transfer/new in coming freshmen needed a little time to gel as a team. So I don’t consider a 3rd place finish when the experts had us lower a bad year/season; considering those injuries. JMO Now for those who’ll label my excuses as “excuses” that shouldn’t matter to promote their negativity agenda. 🙂 So true. What were the pre-season expectations (at least MAAC coach's predictions)? I forgot.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jun 15, 2022 12:21:07 GMT -5
3rd (with a ton of major injuries (AP, TO, JM, JB, NH & JJ) and at the end of the season AG’s and AC not playing coupled e/those injuries resulted in the poor MAAC Tournament showing. At the beginning of the season, our OOC schedule, we didn’t get AP till late and our heavy transfer/new in coming freshmen needed a little time to gel as a team. So I don’t consider a 3rd place finish when the experts had us lower a bad year/season; considering those injuries. JMO Now for those who’ll label my excuses as “excuses” that shouldn’t matter to promote their negativity agenda. 🙂 So true. What were the pre-season expectations (at least MAAC coach's predictions)? I forgot. I thought, middle of the pack’ish (6, 7 or 8) but would have to go back and look it up. I think we were picked that low because we lost two MAAC POYs (obviously not in the same year) and King an All MAAC 2nd/3rd team selection). Edited: Ok, I had to look it up. 🙂 MAAC coaches picked us 8th. dailygazette.com/2022/01/12/maacs-disrespectful-preseason-poll-sticks-with-siena-mens-basketball/I think the other basketball publications that rank colleges also had Siena around 6-9.
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Post by saints15 on Jun 15, 2022 13:17:27 GMT -5
Regarding the ‘what should Carm have said’ question. For AC… “it’s a team matter and I am not going to discuss any details.” When you blatantly lie, and everyone knows you are, you lose credibility. On the Europe/Portal piece… “we try and recruit the best players possible and we use all resources available. This year it just happened to be that the out of the players we were interested in, and who wanted to come here, Europe was a good fit.” His comment about the portal being full of head cases just came across as a sore loser making excuses and honestly was an insult to the players in there. Not a good way to attract their interest in the future.
I like Carm. I think he is a pretty good coach and recruiter. I want him to succeed but his attitude and comments sometimes drive me crazy.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 15, 2022 13:32:17 GMT -5
Regarding the ‘what should Carm have said’ question. For AC… “it’s a team matter and I am not going to discuss any details.” When you blatantly lie, and everyone knows you are, you lose credibility. On the Europe/Portal piece… “we try and recruit the best players possible and we use all resources available. This year it just happened to be that the out of the players we were interested in, and who wanted to come here, Europe was a good fit.” His comment about the portal being full of head cases just came across as a sore loser making excuses and honestly was an insult to the players in there. Not a good way to attract their interest in the future. I like Carm. I think he is a pretty good coach and recruiter. I want him to succeed but his attitude and comments sometimes drive me crazy. Carm’s comments about the portal can be read as an indirect critique of Rogers. Should that be enough to pivot your team building strategy? I am not sure I would have. But if you’re looking for insight as to what he’s thinking when he says “there’s usually a reason they were in the portal in the first place”, Colby’s departure (and why) is a primary reason for that sentiment.
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Post by saints15 on Jun 15, 2022 13:45:39 GMT -5
Regarding the ‘what should Carm have said’ question. For AC… “it’s a team matter and I am not going to discuss any details.” When you blatantly lie, and everyone knows you are, you lose credibility. On the Europe/Portal piece… “we try and recruit the best players possible and we use all resources available. This year it just happened to be that the out of the players we were interested in, and who wanted to come here, Europe was a good fit.” His comment about the portal being full of head cases just came across as a sore loser making excuses and honestly was an insult to the players in there. Not a good way to attract their interest in the future. I like Carm. I think he is a pretty good coach and recruiter. I want him to succeed but his attitude and comments sometimes drive me crazy. Carm’s comments about the portal can be read as an indirect critique of Rogers. Should that be enough to pivot your team building strategy? I am not sure I would have. But if you’re looking for insight as to what he’s thinking when he says “there’s usually a reason they were in the portal in the first place”, Colby’s departure (and why) is a primary reason for that sentiment. Appreciate the insight, that helps. But it still doesn’t change my mind that the comment shouldn’t have been made. It just comes across as making excuses and deflecting blame for not landing some top transfers. Also, if I was a current player who had transferred in, or a future transfer considering Siena, I wouldn’t appreciate the comment.
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Post by hankla on Jun 15, 2022 14:18:40 GMT -5
Of course, the coach I’m sure feels extremely motivated to answer message board questions on the same board that people say that the coach is clueless, is an asshole, has mailed it in, is dropping us to D2, etc. That's kind of part of the job. If you can't take the heat then you are better served working as an assistant. Even when Fran was here there was plenty of criticism for giving up too many easy baskets or not being able to control his temper. Hell, he's got Iowa to #1 in the nation and half their fanbase wants him fired. I'm a Bills fan and see actual conversations of whether McDermott should be fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl this year. Now that is crazy talk! I don't know who you are and while you are entitled to your opinion I find it amazing that while you accuse the coach of not being transparent of bsing and gaslighting you are still bringing your "wisdom" to this board almost a year after telling us in words to the effect that the transfer out of Jordan King had killed your interest in Siena basketball. Who is bs -ing whom?
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Post by orange77 on Jun 15, 2022 16:55:57 GMT -5
Back to the topic at hand, when are Zeke and all the other newcomers expected to arrive on campus and begin workouts? So no one has any info on this?
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