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Post by IndianSaint on May 15, 2022 8:54:20 GMT -5
I don’t think Carp stunk. He had a bad year in part because of fit and injury. I’ll go as far as saying i bet a few will wish we had him next year if McCollumn goes down. I am concerned about pg too but this program of all programs doesn't need any negative potential injury energy. If you have any reverse Karma potion please use it. Thank you!!! That’s exactly what happened when people didn’t want Carm playing certain players in that Canisius game. Jinx!
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Post by OneIndian on May 15, 2022 9:09:44 GMT -5
Stormo was a pretty well regarded HS kid in Cali, poorly utilized at Pepperdine. You’re talking Apple & Oranges the two aren’t remotely close. Verbal commits has Stormo having no other offers out of HS. When we signed him, you posted that it was “a real head-scratcher” and referred to him as a “plodder” who “could be found at any time of year. He became a 3 year starter at center for two top 3 MAAC teams and one TBD team, and a multi-time captain. Hopefully our friend Tekin shares Stormo’s skill at making OneIndian eat his words! 😉 First off Stormo led his HS team to the Division 2A championship. He was named as the 2A Player of the Year and was also a first-team selection to the Cal-Hi All-State Division 2 squad after averaging 17.8 points, 12.8 rebounds, 2.6 blocks and 2.3 assists per game. He was a pretty well regarded HS player in a good Cali league. So save the BS a lot of players go “under recruited”, he did get a scholarship to West Coast conference didn’t he? As for Stormo & Siena a good part of that eval was based on Carm repeatedly touting an attack and finish - run press style of basketball, which we have yet to see BTW. After watching Stormo’s vids his skillset def appeared not to fit Carm’s scheme. Stormo left his former school because they were going to shift to a predominantly perimeter based faster paced style and according to Stormo it wasn’t a good fit. It seemed odd at the time that Carm, who was pushing an uptempo offense scheme to the press and fans, inked Stormo who was more of a paint / slower tempo player. Hence the plodder description as he obviously wasn’t an uptempo athletic big. The head-scratcher comment was basically because his skillset vs coaches description of style of play didnt match. Well we all know now that attack and finish has been far more slogan than reality! I hope I’m wrong about Tekin, but I’m on record as saying I don’t like our pg depth. We can revisit in ‘22-23! I’ll gladly eat my words! My current assessment is only based on the info I have at hand.
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Post by OneIndian on May 15, 2022 9:15:53 GMT -5
I am concerned about pg too but this program of all programs doesn't need any negative potential injury energy. If you have any reverse Karma potion please use it. Thank you!!! That’s exactly what happened when people didn’t want Carm playing certain players in that Canisius game. Jinx! “Jinx” is a childish superstition, but glad to know you think I’m that powerful. In reality it’s not that I have any special gift, I just utilized exercising caution & common sense😎. More people should try it!
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Post by Sienafan on May 15, 2022 10:28:44 GMT -5
Verbal commits has Stormo having no other offers out of HS. When we signed him, you posted that it was “a real head-scratcher” and referred to him as a “plodder” who “could be found at any time of year. He became a 3 year starter at center for two top 3 MAAC teams and one TBD team, and a multi-time captain. Hopefully our friend Tekin shares Stormo’s skill at making OneIndian eat his words! 😉 First off Stormo led his HS team to the Division 2A championship. He was named as the 2A Player of the Year and was also a first-team selection to the Cal-Hi All-State Division 2 squad after averaging 17.8 points, 12.8 rebounds, 2.6 blocks and 2.3 assists per game. He was a pretty well regarded HS player in a good Cali league. As for Stormo & Siena a good part of that eval was based on Carm repeatedly touting an attack and finish - run press style of basketball, which we have yet to see BTW. After watching Stormo’s vids his skillset def appeared not to fit Carm’s scheme. Stormo left his former school because they were going to shift to a predominantly perimeter based faster paced style and according to Stormo it wasn’t a good fit. It seemed odd at the time that Carm, who was pushing an uptempo offense scheme to the press and fans, inked Stormo who was more of a paint / slower tempo player. Hence the plodder description as he obviously wasn’t an uptempo athletic big. The head-scratcher comment was basically because his skillset vs coaches description of style of play didnt match. Well we all know now that attack and finish has been far more slogan than reality! I hope I’m wrong about Tekin, but I’m on record as saying I don’t like our pg depth. We can revisit in ‘22-23! I’ll gladly eat my words! My current assessment is only based on the info I have at hand. What exactly is the info you have at hand about Tekin other than his country of origin that informs your assessment that he will be a failure?
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Post by OneIndian on May 15, 2022 10:33:54 GMT -5
First off Stormo led his HS team to the Division 2A championship. He was named as the 2A Player of the Year and was also a first-team selection to the Cal-Hi All-State Division 2 squad after averaging 17.8 points, 12.8 rebounds, 2.6 blocks and 2.3 assists per game. He was a pretty well regarded HS player in a good Cali league. As for Stormo & Siena a good part of that eval was based on Carm repeatedly touting an attack and finish - run press style of basketball, which we have yet to see BTW. After watching Stormo’s vids his skillset def appeared not to fit Carm’s scheme. Stormo left his former school because they were going to shift to a predominantly perimeter based faster paced style and according to Stormo it wasn’t a good fit. It seemed odd at the time that Carm, who was pushing an uptempo offense scheme to the press and fans, inked Stormo who was more of a paint / slower tempo player. Hence the plodder description as he obviously wasn’t an uptempo athletic big. The head-scratcher comment was basically because his skillset vs coaches description of style of play didnt match. Well we all know now that attack and finish has been far more slogan than reality! I hope I’m wrong about Tekin, but I’m on record as saying I don’t like our pg depth. We can revisit in ‘22-23! I’ll gladly eat my words! My current assessment is only based on the info I have at hand. What exactly is the info you have at hand about Tekin that leads you to believe he will be a failure other than his country of origin? Film, he looks no better than Darwiche, he’s young, never been in the US, is not use to the speed physicality and athleticism of the US game. Darwiche looked great on film hell you touted as the next best thing since sliced bread if I remember correctly. How did that go? It’s really tough to guage these foreign kids, it’s risky. Like I said I’m on record saying there were better options in the portal HS or prep. I really don’t think we needed to go international for this kid. We’ll see how this plays out I’ll gladly be wrong!
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Post by $cott on May 15, 2022 11:16:15 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone has seen data on whether the domestic players transfer at a higher rate than the international ones. Could be that Carm saw something along those lines and is trying to bring in more kids that might actually be here for four years.
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Post by Sienafan on May 15, 2022 11:46:05 GMT -5
What exactly is the info you have at hand about Tekin that leads you to believe he will be a failure other than his country of origin? Film, he looks no better than Darwiche, he’s young, never been in the US, is not use to the speed physicality and athleticism of the US game. Darwiche looked great on film hell you touted as the next best thing since sliced bread if I remember correctly. How did that go? It’s really tough to guage these foreign kids, it’s risky. Like I said I’m on record saying there were better options in the portal HS or prep. I really don’t think we needed to go international for this kid. We’ll see how this plays out I’ll gladly be wrong! I'm pretty confident that you have me confused with the someone else. I never touted Darwiche as the next best thing. He was one of seven newcomers as Jamion Christian was quickly trying to rebuild the roster. He was a miss suggested to JC by a friend who was also a coach - he wasn't a Carm recruit. I wouldn't presume Tekin is the same. Two different people calling the shots. The one who recruited Darwiche is currently unemployed after being let go. I don't know what film of Tekin you've seen, so I can't comment on that. But suffice it to say, Carm has likely seen far more of this kid than any of us. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see Tekin for myself. I remind you that Carpenter looked like a superstar on film - and he faltered badly in college. So either way, we never know what we're getting until we see these guys in a Siena uniform.
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Post by mjs72 on May 15, 2022 12:09:33 GMT -5
One, all of your concerns are reasonable but I'm with SIenafan on this. Can't see wasting a scholly, especially so early in the process, if he hadn't done enough due diligence to believe kid can play at our level.
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Post by class94 on May 15, 2022 12:12:42 GMT -5
This was a valid discussion for a while but now it’s getting redundant. Both sides have valid points.
On one side, Siena has a VERY poor track record with foreign players. This kid, however good he may or may not be in his home country will be facing a massive challenge adjusting to not only a new country and way of life but an entirely new brand of basketball that is much faster pace and more physical. Very good reasons to be concerned about his adjustment.
On the other hand, Carm and Bobby picked this kid for a reason. They’ve seen WAYYY more of him than all of us combined and presumably, given the timing of the offer, they did so for a reason, not desperation.
None of us know how it will play out, this same duo (Carm/Bobby) also picked Stormo (as discussed on this thread) and Tertsea…so it can really go either way. The arguments on both sides have been laid out (ad nauseum). The only thing that remains is waiting to see how it pans out. I’ll just add this…personally speaking, I would have loved having another pg/sg option with one of the last 2 scholarships but that doesn’t seem to be in Carm’s plans and I feel a little bit better having Eley at PG in an emergency, after having watched the IMG highlights.
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Post by billmurray on May 15, 2022 12:29:43 GMT -5
And we don’t know what Owens and Eley can do as Combo guards. Maybe one or both are capable. But I get it both are question marks too.
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 15, 2022 17:21:34 GMT -5
Film, he looks no better than Darwiche, he’s young, never been in the US, is not use to the speed physicality and athleticism of the US game. Darwiche looked great on film hell you touted as the next best thing since sliced bread if I remember correctly. How did that go? It’s really tough to guage these foreign kids, it’s risky. Like I said I’m on record saying there were better options in the portal HS or prep. I really don’t think we needed to go international for this kid. We’ll see how this plays out I’ll gladly be wrong! I'm pretty confident that you have me confused with the someone else. I never touted Darwiche as the next best thing. OI was talking about a poster comparing Darwiche to Jared Jordan (although I can't find that post?). He thought it was you, but it was SaintsFan (RIP). So he was right about seeing it, but wrong who posted it. No biggie. Tekin becomes All-MAAC, we all win
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Post by OneIndian on May 15, 2022 18:11:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty confident that you have me confused with the someone else. I never touted Darwiche as the next best thing. OI was talking about a poster comparing Darwiche to Jared Jordan (although I can't find that post?). He thought it was you, but it was SaintsFan (RIP). So he was right about seeing it, but wrong who posted it. No biggie. Tekin becomes All-MAC, we all win Thx, absolutely correct…. I remembered the Jordan parallel but the poster incorrectly. My apologies to SienaFan.
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Post by Quackman on Jun 14, 2022 12:05:03 GMT -5
Interesting, just saw that two other Turkish players committed to D1 programs this week (Jacksonville and Northern Iowa), might be a trend?
The kid going to UNI played in the same Turkish league with slightly worse numbers than Siena’s recruit. The UNI recruit is bigger but also a year older.
Not sure what it means, just passing along info.
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Post by $cott on Jun 14, 2022 12:15:55 GMT -5
Interesting, just saw that two other Turkish players committed to D1 programs this week (Jacksonville and Northern Iowa), might be a trend? The kid going to UNI played in the same Turkish league with slightly worse numbers than Siena’s recruit. The UNI recruit is bigger but also a year older. Not sure what it means, just passing along info. Carm could be on to a good angle here, he could be making huge mistakes. Only time will tell but for now I'm going to assume that the guy whose livelihood is on the line knows what he is doing.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jun 14, 2022 12:16:15 GMT -5
Interesting, just saw that two other Turkish players committed to D1 programs this week (Jacksonville and Northern Iowa), might be a trend? The kid going to UNI played in the same Turkish league with slightly worse numbers than Siena’s recruit. The UNI recruit is bigger but also a year older. Not sure what it means, just passing along info. UNI … great program, established coach, recruiting the great land of Turkey. Wonder if their fans think the coach has mailed it in and is trying tor D2???
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