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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 14:11:28 GMT -5
Never said there was an issue. How many CR's do we have on the roster currently? And next year? Maybe you've seen previous posts on their players (Beagle/UAlbany) and (Rumpel/St. Bonaventure) that I felt like was a huge mistake letting them go to rival opponents. And now Tice is in question. IF we had those 3 in the fold, along with the JUCO Martin, I'd feel pretty good right now about our '22-'23 roster. You said: "And i cant express it enough that improving our relationship with the City Rocks, by taking their kids, is imperative for long term recruiting success." Does that not imply that there is an issue because Carm has not taken their players? My position is that Carm should only make offers to City Rocks players if he believes they are a fit, not just because they played for that program. Kids choose to play at other programs for many reasons. Today's players seem to want to play for schools away from home and at the highest level that they can. The CR players get a lot of attention and offers from multiple programs. From what I know, the relationship between the Saints and CR's is just fine. You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm.....
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 12, 2022 14:20:20 GMT -5
You said: "And i cant express it enough that improving our relationship with the City Rocks, by taking their kids, is imperative for long term recruiting success." Does that not imply that there is an issue because Carm has not taken their players? My position is that Carm should only make offers to City Rocks players if he believes they are a fit, not just because they played for that program. Kids choose to play at other programs for many reasons. Today's players seem to want to play for schools away from home and at the highest level that they can. The CR players get a lot of attention and offers from multiple programs. From what I know, the relationship between the Saints and CR's is just fine. You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm..... Wow you are really dense. I did answer your question. Let me spell it out for you. Carm should only recruit and make offers to CR players (and any other players) who will be a fit and add value to his program. Not just because they play for CR or any other specific program. Just because he makes an offer does not automatically mean that player will accept and decide to go to Siena. My son is a CR alum, so I saw first hand the positive relationship with Siena. You say it needs improvement. How?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 14:32:23 GMT -5
You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm..... I did answer your question. No you didnt, because if you did, there would have been a number in your rebuttal. Any question that starts with "how many...." and you dont answer with a number, means you avoided the question. And congrats on your son. I hope he got a full scholarship and had a wonderful career.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 12, 2022 15:57:04 GMT -5
You said: "And i cant express it enough that improving our relationship with the City Rocks, by taking their kids, is imperative for long term recruiting success." Does that not imply that there is an issue because Carm has not taken their players? My position is that Carm should only make offers to City Rocks players if he believes they are a fit, not just because they played for that program. Kids choose to play at other programs for many reasons. Today's players seem to want to play for schools away from home and at the highest level that they can. The CR players get a lot of attention and offers from multiple programs. From what I know, the relationship between the Saints and CR's is just fine. You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm..... I don't think there are any issues relationship-wise with the Rocks per se. Sending players to Siena just isn't a priority. Hart is simply sending his best players to the highest level possible and doesn't feel like he owes Siena anything just because it's the hometown team. He'll push guys with no offers like Jalen Pickett and Jordan King to Siena (and you can bet neither of them would have been at Siena had Hart had better options for them). But other than that, he's not going out of his way to send anyone to the MAAC. It's not good for his brand.
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2022 16:36:24 GMT -5
Meanwhile Carm stops pursuing Beagle and then the kid blows up to top 10 prospect in New England and he ends up at Albany.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 12, 2022 16:45:02 GMT -5
You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm..... I don't think there are any issues relationship-wise with the Rocks per se. Sending players to Siena just isn't a priority. Hart is simply sending his best players to the highest level possible and doesn't feel like he owes Siena anything just because it's the hometown team. He'll push guys with no offers like Jalen Pickett and Jordan King to Siena (and you can bet neither of them would have been at Siena had Hart had better options for them). But other than that, he's not going out of his way to send anyone to the MAAC. It's not good for his brand. Brand? That’s ridiculous CR players go to various level/programs; D2 Low & Mid major & higher etc….. Tice and Beagle are two recent example. Carm needs to keeps recruiting not take a pass because the kids are undecided. Hart is not steering kids away. He’s at enough Siena games.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 12, 2022 17:07:33 GMT -5
I don't think there are any issues relationship-wise with the Rocks per se. Sending players to Siena just isn't a priority. Hart is simply sending his best players to the highest level possible and doesn't feel like he owes Siena anything just because it's the hometown team. He'll push guys with no offers like Jalen Pickett and Jordan King to Siena (and you can bet neither of them would have been at Siena had Hart had better options for them). But other than that, he's not going out of his way to send anyone to the MAAC. It's not good for his brand. Brand? That’s ridiculous CR players go to various level/programs; D2 Low & Mid major & higher etc….. Yeah but his best D1 mid-major players - the ones that we would actually want and would fit - aren't really being sent our way. If Hart advocated for it, the kind of guys Carm would actually want out of the CR's recent alumni - guys like Brett Rumpel and Amarri Tice - would be committed to Siena. So it's not like there's ever exactly been a City Rocks pipeline to Siena that Hart has been gone out of his way to push. Rumpel wanted the A10 and got it. Tice has an A10 offer but appears to want even higher. I don't think Hart is advising Tice that Siena is his best fit - because he's probably looking to send the kid higher. If you want to be considered a top 20 AAU program in the USA, as they do - where many of your kids ends up matters. St Bonaventure probably gets a lot more city rocks than Siena does.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 17:08:18 GMT -5
You never answered my questions? Probably because it supports my case, and hurts yours. You think our working relationship with one of the top AAU teams in the country, which happens to be in our backyard, is fine. I think it needs improvement. IF you want to use the excuse that none of the CR players "are a good fit," and thats why we dont have any, ummmmm..... I don't think there are any issues relationship-wise with the Rocks per se. Sending players to Siena just isn't a priority. Hart is simply sending his best players to the highest level possible and doesn't feel like he owes Siena anything just because it's the hometown team. He'll push guys with no offers like Jalen Pickett and Jordan King to Siena (and you can bet neither of them would have been at Siena had Hart had better options for them). But other than that, he's not going out of his way to send anyone to the MAAC. It's not good for his brand. Nobody said we expect the kids that end up at Syracuse or UConn on a Siena roster. But kids that end up at St. Bonaventure and UAlbany, that should bother our fanbase. Not just losing kids to them, but not even trying to recruit them when they are very good players, at our two weakest positions, that would help us win games. Once you have a few of them, and you win, you'd be surprised how good a Siena can look to kids that arent P5 recruits. Giving up on a kid like Tice, who lives less than 90 miles away, is a huge mistake IMO. Go watch his videos on YouTube and try to disagree with me. You might even see Beagle and Rumpel in the same videos.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 12, 2022 17:10:13 GMT -5
Brand? That’s ridiculous CR players go to various level/programs; D2 Low & Mid major & higher etc….. Yeah but his best D1 mid-major players - the ones that we would actually want and would fit - aren't really being sent our way. If Hart advocated for it, the kind of guys Carm would actually want out of the CR's recent alumni - guys like Brett Rumpel and Amarri Tice - would be committed to Siena. So it's not like there's ever exactly been a City Rocks pipeline to Siena that Hart has been gone out of his way to push. Rumpel wanted the A10 and got it. Tice has an A10 offer but appears to want even higher. I don't think Hart is advising Tice that Siena is his best fit - because he's probably looking to send the kid higher. If you want to be considered a top 20 AAU program in the USA, as they do - where many of your kids ends up matters. St Bonaventure probably gets a lot more city rocks than Siena does. Hart’s not pulling all the strings… at the end of the day it’s the player’s choice and the coach that did his homework, laid the groundwork & sold the kid. Personally I don’t think we’ve worked hard enough to sell these kids, & establish a pipeline. You see exactly what’s been happening look @ Tice, still in play & we gave up. Can’t do that!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 17:17:43 GMT -5
Brand? That’s ridiculous CR players go to various level/programs; D2 Low & Mid major & higher etc….. Yeah but his best D1 mid-major players - the ones that we would actually want and would fit - aren't really being sent our way. If Hart advocated for it, the kind of guys Carm would actually want out of the CR's recent alumni - guys like Brett Rumpel and Amarri Tice - would be committed to Siena. So it's not like there's ever exactly been a City Rocks pipeline to Siena that Hart has been gone out of his way to push. Rumpel wanted the A10 and got it. Tice has an A10 offer but appears to want even higher. I don't think Hart is advising Tice that Siena is his best fit - because he's probably looking to send the kid higher. If you want to be considered a top 20 AAU program in the USA, as they do - where many of your kids ends up matters. St Bonaventure probably gets a lot more city rocks than Siena does. We NEVER recruited Rumpel. Jamion offered him at GW. So did King Rice, but we didnt. As a junior he only had Binghamton, and I was shocked how good he was. Ended up at Spire, where Jalen played before Siena. DePaul and Indiana State both offered. Bonnies were in too obviously, but we NEED to beat them for kids!
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Post by diamonddog on Mar 12, 2022 17:45:34 GMT -5
Jim Hart should be thrilled we played Gaines a lot this year.
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Post by bigdog76 on Mar 12, 2022 17:47:53 GMT -5
Agreed, Rumpel wanted A10 or higher and has the talent. Hate to burst any bubbles but the MAAC was not seriously in the picture. Also there is a family connection to Bonnies. Should we have tried...yes but with a degree of realism.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 12, 2022 17:57:09 GMT -5
Jim Hart should be thrilled we played Gaines a lot this year. Well…. You see how good we looked without him….. AG took knocks, sometimes justified, sometimes not…. Without him this year we probably finish 8th.
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Post by diamonddog on Mar 12, 2022 18:15:15 GMT -5
Jim Hart should be thrilled we played Gaines a lot this year. Well…. You see how good we looked without him….. AG took knocks, sometimes justified, sometimes not…. Without him this year we probably finish 8th. Future is McCollum. It shouldn't be him and Stormo running the show.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 12, 2022 18:20:30 GMT -5
Well…. You see how good we looked without him….. AG took knocks, sometimes justified, sometimes not…. Without him this year we probably finish 8th. Future is McCollum. It shouldn't be him and Stormo running the show. Nobody pushed or advocated for McCollum more than me but he wasn’t replacing AG this year, totally different skillset, JM should have been playing over Hopkins as the season went on! We needed AG’s physicality rebounding and defense. Don’t kid yourself without him we’re bottom 1/3 of the MAAC.
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