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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 11, 2022 21:51:07 GMT -5
Its like chasing a pretty girl. Just because she says no the first time, doesnt mean you stop trying to take her out. These kids like to get courted. Feel wanted. IF he's a top priority recruit, which I think he should be, we need to keep in touch throughout the season, and press more during live periods. Something tells me the "bigger school" thing hasnt worked out like he thought it would. This kid checks every box in what we need right now. And i cant express it enough that improving our relationship with the City Rocks, by taking their kids, is imperative for long term recruiting success. I saw Jim Hart at every single home game this season? What makes you think there is an issue with Carm's/Siena's relationship with the City Rocks? Never said there was an issue. How many CR's do we have on the roster currently? And next year? Maybe you've seen previous posts on their players (Beagle/UAlbany) and (Rumpel/St. Bonaventure) that I felt like was a huge mistake letting them go to rival opponents. And now Tice is in question. IF we had those 3 in the fold, along with the JUCO Martin, I'd feel pretty good right now about our '22-'23 roster.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 11, 2022 22:06:06 GMT -5
You shouldn't have to convince someone to love you. That feeling is either there or it's not. "Love?" I compared recruiting the kid to trying to get a FIRST DATE with a woman that initially might not have interest in you. Persistence is a virtue, and if Carm wants great players, and refuses to approach higher level kids like that, he's doing it wrong.
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 12, 2022 7:53:44 GMT -5
Carm has been very clear that he only wants guys who want to be at Siena. If you were offered in summer 2021, visited in September 2021, and still haven't decided as of March 2022, then you aren't really interested. So I don't blame Carm if he's moved on. Tice has 10 offers. Only one of them has come since last summer. This means the table has been set for him for some time. He's clearly holding out for a higher offer that probably isn't coming. 8 months have been expended recruiting this dude. How much longer would you guys wait before moving on knowing all this? To HJ's example: I too will chase the pretty girl who says no the first time - to a point. But there comes a time when I take the hint, cut my losses, and move on to someone who actually wants to date me. The best advice I ever got was this: You shouldn't have to convince someone to love you. That feeling is either there or it's not. First my comments aren't directed at Sienafan, rather responding to the discussion as a whole. Many of you guys would never survive in the BCS football recruiting world. They start working some kids in the 8th grade and recruit for years without a commitment from the kid. AND then when they have commitment for years from a kid, he flips on signing day ... don't say the name of the young man who spurned my Noles, it still stings.... If a player fits the programs style, culture and would be a good fit at the school you have to keep recruiting. Also, maybe Carm told him he see's him in a role that doesn't exactly match what the kid wants, or that he expected him to get real playing time his jun/sen years, etc. and the kid feels like if he is going to have to sit for a couple years then he might as well sit at St Johns rather than Siena. Point being there are soo many factors at play in the process it sounds like both Carm and some posters have an unhealthy provincial point of view...
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2022 8:10:37 GMT -5
I had a business lunch this week with someone who’s son in law coaches a top pre school in CT. He has a top 40 Junior and he is being recruited by many P5 schools. He said we he conversation now starts with NIL and how they can maximize their earnings. Coaches are speaking to 16/17 year olds who probably have not even worked at a grocery store or McDonald’s about earnings and contracts. Playing time and how great the school is have been pushed down the discussion
Recruiting is a basic sales process and you have to manage your sales pipeline and you have to figure out what the buying influence (recruit, parent, or coach) really care about and sell to their self interest. As we have said it’s different for each situation but if you are good at sales/recruiting you adjust along the way and stay committed and generally those recruiters are the most successful.
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Post by musicman on Mar 12, 2022 9:23:38 GMT -5
I had a business lunch this week with someone who’s son in law coaches a top pre school in CT. He has a top 40 Junior and he is being recruited by many P5 schools. He said we he conversation now starts with NIL and how they can maximize their earnings. Coaches are speaking to 16/17 year olds who probably have not even worked at a grocery store or McDonald’s about earnings and contracts. Playing time and how great the school is have been pushed down the discussion Recruiting is a basic sales process and you have to manage your sales pipeline and you have to figure out what the buying influence (recruit, parent, or coach) really care about and sell to their self interest. As we have said it’s different for each situation but if you are good at sales/recruiting you adjust along the way and stay committed and generally those recruiters are the most successful. WOW! That is unbelievable! (But I believe you) Pretty ridiculous. It's a crazy world we live in today. In many many ways.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 12, 2022 9:38:35 GMT -5
I had a business lunch this week with someone who’s son in law coaches a top pre school in CT. He has a top 40 Junior and he is being recruited by many P5 schools. He said we he conversation now starts with NIL and how they can maximize their earnings. Coaches are speaking to 16/17 year olds who probably have not even worked at a grocery store or McDonald’s about earnings and contracts. Playing time and how great the school is have been pushed down the discussion Recruiting is a basic sales process and you have to manage your sales pipeline and you have to figure out what the buying influence (recruit, parent, or coach) really care about and sell to their self interest. As we have said it’s different for each situation but if you are good at sales/recruiting you adjust along the way and stay committed and generally those recruiters are the most successful. Holy crap! Recruiting kids at 3 and 4 years old! World is going mad! 😝
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2022 9:48:45 GMT -5
I had a business lunch this week with someone who’s son in law coaches a top pre school in CT. He has a top 40 Junior and he is being recruited by many P5 schools. He said we he conversation now starts with NIL and how they can maximize their earnings. Coaches are speaking to 16/17 year olds who probably have not even worked at a grocery store or McDonald’s about earnings and contracts. Playing time and how great the school is have been pushed down the discussion Recruiting is a basic sales process and you have to manage your sales pipeline and you have to figure out what the buying influence (recruit, parent, or coach) really care about and sell to their self interest. As we have said it’s different for each situation but if you are good at sales/recruiting you adjust along the way and stay committed and generally those recruiters are the most successful. Holy crap! Recruiting kids at 3 and 4 years old! World is going mad! 😝 8th grader at CCHS was offered by UMASS and Albany already this year.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 9:51:59 GMT -5
Holy crap! Recruiting kids at 3 and 4 years old! World is going mad! 😝 8th grader at CCHS was offered by UMASS and Albany already this year. Maybe they'll stoop recruiting him in 9th grade if he doesnt commit
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Post by indian82 on Mar 12, 2022 10:02:45 GMT -5
Holy crap! Recruiting kids at 3 and 4 years old! World is going mad! 😝 8th grader at CCHS was offered by UMASS and Albany already this year. Ridiculous. I didn't think that was legal (or that it was against NCAA regulations). I know coaches lookedat/recruited at kids that young (Bobby Knight & Damon Bailey) but didn't it used to be against the rules to offer kids till a certain age/grade?
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2022 10:05:41 GMT -5
8th grader at CCHS was offered by UMASS and Albany already this year. Ridiculous. I didn't think that was legal (or that it was against NCAA regulations). I know coaches lookedat/recruited at kids that young (Bobby Knight & Damon Bailey) but didn't it used to be against the rules to offer kids till a certain age/grade? Again what constitutes and offer. Coach saying you played great and we would love to have you come to our school. Given there are all these contact periods etc. who knows what is real but obviously schools are showing these kids love and maybe it’s just letters etc.
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Post by glen on Mar 12, 2022 11:27:29 GMT -5
OK, just for giggles, let's say an 8th or 9th grader that is offered commits. Can they sign a letter of intent at that age? I don't think they can. If that's the case the "offer" is really nothing because the school has years to back out of that so it's all BS.
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2022 11:37:37 GMT -5
OK, just for giggles, let's say an 8th or 9th grader that is offered commits. Can they sign a letter of intent at that age? I don't think they can. If that's the case the "offer" is really nothing because the school has years to back out of that so it's all BS. Exactly it’s an offer based on potential and a ton of caviats. It just shows the kid early that you are interested and will watch them
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Post by sienafan1480 on Mar 12, 2022 11:55:17 GMT -5
OK, just for giggles, let's say an 8th or 9th grader that is offered commits. Can they sign a letter of intent at that age? I don't think they can. If that's the case the "offer" is really nothing because the school has years to back out of that so it's all BS. They can not sign their letter of intent, but they can verbally commit. A neighboring school to where I coach had a kid commit to Ole Miss baseball as an 8th grader. Now in theory Ole Miss could pull that offer, but they would be hammered on the recruiting trail if they did. NIL has definitely become a huge part of the recruiting process. At the end of the day you still have to find the right system and Coach for you or you won’t maximize that earning potential.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2022 13:08:46 GMT -5
Its never good for the player to sign a NLI early. It usually binds him to the school. There could be a coaching change, and then your fate is in their hands on a release. Majority of schools now will work with the student/athlete, but there were some instances years ago, they team that had the player under a NLI dictated where he could go IF they granted him a release.
Offering a 8th grader is just a show of love and "we really want you" pledge. A lot can happen in 5 years! lol
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 12, 2022 13:49:42 GMT -5
I saw Jim Hart at every single home game this season? What makes you think there is an issue with Carm's/Siena's relationship with the City Rocks? Never said there was an issue. How many CR's do we have on the roster currently? And next year? Maybe you've seen previous posts on their players (Beagle/UAlbany) and (Rumpel/St. Bonaventure) that I felt like was a huge mistake letting them go to rival opponents. And now Tice is in question. IF we had those 3 in the fold, along with the JUCO Martin, I'd feel pretty good right now about our '22-'23 roster. You said: "And i cant express it enough that improving our relationship with the City Rocks, by taking their kids, is imperative for long term recruiting success." Does that not imply that there is an issue because Carm has not taken their players? My position is that Carm should only make offers to City Rocks players if he believes they are a fit, not just because they played for that program. Kids choose to play at other programs for many reasons. Today's players seem to want to play for schools away from home and at the highest level that they can. The CR players get a lot of attention and offers from multiple programs. From what I know, the relationship between the Saints and CR's is just fine.
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