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Post by OneIndian on Apr 9, 2021 7:35:34 GMT -5
The last 10 months have basically been a mass exodus to the door. Carey, Tate, Harris, Camper, King, Fuller and now Pickett. No big deal when you lose your bottom players to transfer (see Iona), but when the top half of your team all leaves at once, something is wrong. This team starts from scratch now. Doesnt matter who we bring in, they'll all be new. Hopefully someday we'll get the truth with what really happened. Nobody wants to hear from Jalens HS coach. We want to hear it from him. With that, I wish Jalen nothing but success at his next destination. Hopefully basketball will be fun for you again. Not sure I saw you smile all year on the floor like we used to. I agree with a winning record and two regular season titles, why are guys bolting? Something is not right. Could be nothing but does seem strange. Why are 1300 PLUS players (and growing daily) around the NCAA looking to make a move? You want answers look to the rule changes. It’s not rocket science! Free year, no sit! Kids think the grass is always greener...
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 9, 2021 7:56:37 GMT -5
Not kids getting 35 minutes on championship teams...
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Post by siena2003 on Apr 9, 2021 8:13:27 GMT -5
Zero loyalty‼️ #Annoying
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Post by saints15 on Apr 9, 2021 8:19:20 GMT -5
We’ve haven’t seen a comment from Carm after he was notified by Pickett in Thursday’s meeting. I’m sure one’s in the works. I have no doubt the program was taken a bit by surprise, but I’m guessing if this was in backs of a lot of peoples minds, Carm/staff had to be thinking about a Pickett move as a distinct possibility. Given the NCAA free year and no sit penalty, it’s a no brainer for Pickett to make a move. Almost 1300 players & counting in the portal, NCAA hoops is a hot mess due to the recent rule changes. While this was awful news for the Siena faithful, it’s hard to call the move shocking. Judging by recent trends it’s probably not the last player either. ☹️ We’re definitely going to look different next year. Until NCAA reevaluates get use to pulling for a jersey not a player! There was a release issued by the school last night with a 1 line generic quote from Carm, ‘we wish him the best in his future endeavors.’ That tells me Carm was at least somewhat blindsided by this. If they had sat down and talked it over and Carm agreed it was best for Jalen to move on to a higher level to help him maximize his pro chances, there would have been more heartfelt words and comments about how much he has meant to the program. I also think if there was no communication between JP and Carm the fact Carm was pursuing the Fordham opportunity had something to do with it. I’m sure JP is thinking...you didn’t come talk to me about you potentially leaving so why should I talk to you about me leaving?
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Post by notomo on Apr 9, 2021 8:34:44 GMT -5
Guess there really is an I in team. So much for unity.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 9, 2021 8:42:11 GMT -5
A quick review of Major programs that play at a pace similar to Pickett's strength shows more than 10 who have likely room and opportunity given graduations and transfers. A couple in the Big East with MAAC connections. Who knows where he ends up, but I'm sure it will be at a major.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 9, 2021 8:46:29 GMT -5
We’ve haven’t seen a comment from Carm after he was notified by Pickett in Thursday’s meeting. I’m sure one’s in the works. I have no doubt the program was taken a bit by surprise, but I’m guessing if this was in backs of a lot of peoples minds, Carm/staff had to be thinking about a Pickett move as a distinct possibility. Given the NCAA free year and no sit penalty, it’s a no brainer for Pickett to make a move. Almost 1300 players & counting in the portal, NCAA hoops is a hot mess due to the recent rule changes. While this was awful news for the Siena faithful, it’s hard to call the move shocking. Judging by recent trends it’s probably not the last player either. ☹️ We’re definitely going to look different next year. Until NCAA reevaluates get use to pulling for a jersey not a player! There was a release issued by the school last night with a 1 line generic quote from Carm, ‘we wish him the best in his future endeavors.’ That tells me Carm was at least somewhat blindsided by this. If they had sat down and talked it over and Carm agreed it was best for Jalen to move on to a higher level to help him maximize his pro chances, there would have been more heartfelt words and comments about how much he has meant to the program. I also think if there was no communication between JP and Carm the fact Carm was pursuing the Fordham opportunity had something to do with it. I’m sure JP is thinking...you didn’t come talk to me about you potentially leaving so why should I talk to you about me leaving? I don’t buy Carm was interested in Fordham in the least other than as a method to up his contract at Siena. Doubt any of the players took it seriously either, Carm was pretty much telling recruits he wasn’t going anywhere during the process. I think Jalen got a bug put in his ear from the outside and the no sit, free year and a chance to go power 6 is a no brainer decision! Jalen already said if it wasn’t for the rule change he wasn’t going anywhere! Some of you guys look to read between the lines when the obvious stares you right in the grill! Carm definitely has his work cut out for him without Jalen being the anchor, now we’ll find out how well he recruits, coaches and performs. So far he is 32-15, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt & will keep in mind it’s all his players going forward!
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Post by iskout on Apr 9, 2021 8:48:50 GMT -5
Have to say Carm is on the hot seat 🔥 Maybe that's a bit dramatic but indeed the spotlight is on Carm. Program was sold on hope. Hope Carm could keep players, bring in new stars and work a strong city rock connection. I'm not seeing it. If a brand new coach takes Siena two his first two consecutive seasons as head coach to the MAAC regular season is “on the hot seat”; God help any future Siena coach from not doing that their first two seasons. He isn't, but this definitely puts him under a microscope as to how he recovers. Can he get fresh talent to compete with an absolutely stacked Iona roster? Can he develop a cohesive offense that flows better than the first two years of his coaching career? Will he ever accept the transfer portal as a double edged sword? He said originally that he would use it extensively, and didn't want to be made up of entirely freshman. Now he talks frequently about how much it gives players false hopes for "greener pastures" or whatever he deleted in that tweet. I've had serious issues with the way he runs his offense since the first game I watched from him. He was graced with time, because he had the roster talent to make wins happen, despite his coaching. He doesn't have that luxury now, and needs to show what he can do.
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Post by joesiena on Apr 9, 2021 9:05:15 GMT -5
There was a release issued by the school last night with a 1 line generic quote from Carm, ‘we wish him the best in his future endeavors.’ That tells me Carm was at least somewhat blindsided by this. If they had sat down and talked it over and Carm agreed it was best for Jalen to move on to a higher level to help him maximize his pro chances, there would have been more heartfelt words and comments about how much he has meant to the program. I also think if there was no communication between JP and Carm the fact Carm was pursuing the Fordham opportunity had something to do with it. I’m sure JP is thinking...you didn’t come talk to me about you potentially leaving so why should I talk to you about me leaving? I don’t buy Carm was interested in Fordham in the least other than as a method to up his contract at Siena. Doubt any of the players took it seriously either, Carm was pretty much telling recruits he wasn’t going anywhere during the process. I think Jalen got a bug put in his ear from the outside and the no sit, free year and a chance to go power 6 is a no brainer! Jalen already said if it wasn’t for the rule change he wasn’t going anywhere! Some of you guys look to read between the lines when the obvious stares you right in the grill! I think the Fordham thing DID play into it. You can't preach "team" and "a player's program" while simultaneously publicly courting a new program. I didn't begrudge Carm the right to pursue greater income then and I don't now, but the optics of looking for another job in the current college basketball atmosphere could certainly send a message to the students that he wishes he hadn't. If my business was dealing with the high level of uncertainty that Siena is right now and my boss was telling me they had my best interests at heart while also looking elsewhere, it would certainly encourage me to rethink their commitment to me and the business. It might be coincidence, but two high-character linchpin players have left since then. The question is certainly valid, and I think in hindsight the choice to interview for Fordham at this time was a poor one.
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Post by sienasaint3 on Apr 9, 2021 9:05:35 GMT -5
Loyalty to what? I don't get what you think he should be loyal to?
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 9, 2021 9:18:01 GMT -5
I don’t buy Carm was interested in Fordham in the least other than as a method to up his contract at Siena. Doubt any of the players took it seriously either, Carm was pretty much telling recruits he wasn’t going anywhere during the process. I think Jalen got a bug put in his ear from the outside and the no sit, free year and a chance to go power 6 is a no brainer! Jalen already said if it wasn’t for the rule change he wasn’t going anywhere! Some of you guys look to read between the lines when the obvious stares you right in the grill! I think the Fordham thing DID play into it. You can't preach "team" and "a player's program" while simultaneously publicly courting a new program. I didn't begrudge Carm the right to pursue greater income then and I don't now, but the optics of looking for another job in the current college basketball atmosphere could certainly send a message to the students that he wishes he hadn't. If my business was dealing with the high level of uncertainty that Siena is right now and my boss was telling me they had my best interests at heart while also looking elsewhere, it would certainly encourage me to rethink their commitment to me and the business. It might be coincidence, but two high-character linchpin players have left since then. The question is certainly valid, and I think in hindsight the choice to interview for Fordham at this time was a poor one. Fordham is a DEAD END job and a coaching graveyard for those who don’t succeed. Carm isn’t stupid, he’s way too young to take a job with so much risk and so little gain. Plus that job wasn’t paying anywhere near what was rumored! He squeezed Siena for a contract bump, end of story! If you don’t think the NCAA rule change was 100% responsible for JP’s decision you aren’t watching what’s currently going on around D1 hoops! Who is the second linch pin? Manny who graduated & wants to earn $$$ or King who on a good roster would have been 7th or 8th man?
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Post by joesiena on Apr 9, 2021 9:25:29 GMT -5
I think the Fordham thing DID play into it. You can't preach "team" and "a player's program" while simultaneously publicly courting a new program. I didn't begrudge Carm the right to pursue greater income then and I don't now, but the optics of looking for another job in the current college basketball atmosphere could certainly send a message to the students that he wishes he hadn't. If my business was dealing with the high level of uncertainty that Siena is right now and my boss was telling me they had my best interests at heart while also looking elsewhere, it would certainly encourage me to rethink their commitment to me and the business. It might be coincidence, but two high-character linchpin players have left since then. The question is certainly valid, and I think in hindsight the choice to interview for Fordham at this time was a poor one. Fordham is a DEAD END job and a coaching graveyard for those who don’t succeed. Carm isn’t stupid, he’s way too young to take a job with so much risk and so little gain. Plus that job wasn’t paying anywhere near what was rumored! He squeezed Siena for a contract bump, end of story! Apparently, it isn't the end of the story at all. If they offered him enough, he would have taken it. He clearly didn't think it was a dead end job or he wouldn't have applied and interviewed twice. There was more than a contract squeeze going on. I agree that Carm isn't stupid. Stupid would be openly and publicly courting another job, getting deep into the process, all to pull the rug out at the end because you really think it's a dead end job. Make no mistake - if the money and offer were there, he would have gone to Fordham. And that sends a message to players.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 9, 2021 9:27:33 GMT -5
Fordham is a DEAD END job and a coaching graveyard for those who don’t succeed. Carm isn’t stupid, he’s way too young to take a job with so much risk and so little gain. Plus that job wasn’t paying anywhere near what was rumored! He squeezed Siena for a contract bump, end of story! Apparently, it isn't the end of the story at all. If they offered him enough, he would have taken it. He clearly didn't think it was a dead end job or he wouldn't have applied and interviewed twice. There was more than a contract squeeze going on. I agree that Carm isn't stupid. Stupid would be openly and publicly courting another job, getting deep into the process, all to pull the rug out at the end because you really think it's a dead end job. Make no mistake - if the money and offer were there, he would have gone to Fordham. And that sends a message to players. You can interview as much as asked, especially when you’re also negotiating with your current employer. He would have been under no obligation to accept any offer from Fordham. It’s not uncommon for candidates to turn down offers after mult interviews.
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Post by joesiena on Apr 9, 2021 9:31:25 GMT -5
I think the Fordham thing DID play into it. You can't preach "team" and "a player's program" while simultaneously publicly courting a new program. I didn't begrudge Carm the right to pursue greater income then and I don't now, but the optics of looking for another job in the current college basketball atmosphere could certainly send a message to the students that he wishes he hadn't. If my business was dealing with the high level of uncertainty that Siena is right now and my boss was telling me they had my best interests at heart while also looking elsewhere, it would certainly encourage me to rethink their commitment to me and the business. It might be coincidence, but two high-character linchpin players have left since then. The question is certainly valid, and I think in hindsight the choice to interview for Fordham at this time was a poor one. Fordham is a DEAD END job and a coaching graveyard for those who don’t succeed. Carm isn’t stupid, he’s way too young to take a job with so much risk and so little gain. Plus that job wasn’t paying anywhere near what was rumored! He squeezed Siena for a contract bump, end of story! If you don’t think the NCAA rule change was 100% responsible for JP’s decision you aren’t watching what’s currently going on around D1 hoops! Who is the second linch pin? Manny who graduated & wants to earn $$$ or King who on a good roster would have been 7th or 8th man? We've known about the transfer rule for months, but all indications up to 50+ hours ago were that Jalen was staying. So clearly something other than "what's happening in college basketball" is at work here. Jordan is the second linchpin player. It's disingenuous of you to suddenly suggest he wasn't important to the team when he clearly was for the last 2 years. He WAS on a good roster and he was an important part of it. His hypothetical role on another team is irrelevant - he was a linchpin player for Siena.
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Post by psycholojets on Apr 9, 2021 9:31:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the memories Jalen! Hope to see great things from you in the future wherever life leads you.
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