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Post by saints14 on Apr 14, 2021 16:47:24 GMT -5
I think that characterizing him as "one of the greatest floor generals in school history" is over the top. I don't see how that's a controversial statement, Pickett's absolutely among the best in Siena history. compared to Moore and Pickett (no one else is in the conversation IMO) Are we forgetting about someone so soon? Moore: 32.0 AST% | 20.8 TOV% Wright: 29.2 AST% | 18.8 TOV% Pickett: 36.7 AST% | 13.7 TOV% I like Wright but I didn't forget about him
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Post by Quackman on Apr 14, 2021 17:12:14 GMT -5
Pickett was on his way to being on Siena’s Mt Rushmore but Covid and transfer will keep him from the mount.
As it stand, he leaves as one of the most decorated players in SIena history and deserves to be in the conversation as an all time great.
Hate to see him go, would have loved him to stay for 4 or 5 years but am not surprised. He is finally getting the recruiting attention he likely deserved as a high school student. Bet he is having a blast right now. Good for him.
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Post by MTS on Apr 14, 2021 17:33:07 GMT -5
Pickett was on his way to being on Siena’s Mt Rushmore but Covid and transfer will keep him from the mount. As it stand, he leaves as one of the most decorated players in SIena history and deserves to be in the conversation as an all time great. Hate to see him go, would have loved him to stay for 4 or 5 years but am not surprised. He is finally getting the recruiting attention he likely deserved as a high school student. Bet he is having a blast right now. Good for him. I agree that he would've been in the conversation but Siena's had so many great players very hard to trim it down to 4 players. Hasbrouck, Brown, Bennerman, Ubiles, Franklin, Rossiter, Moore, Faison, Archold, Prosper, Robinson and that's just the "modern" era you have an all-timer like Billy Harrell. It's just too bad that we didn't get to finish the MAAC tournament last year and him staying for a full four years. So I'd say Jalen departs a top 12-15 player in Siena history. And that's pretty good.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 14, 2021 21:24:42 GMT -5
Jalen is easily top 10, maybe top 5. Here 3 years, and made 1st team All-MAAC all 3. No injury, he probably would have been a rare back-to-back POY. Also won ROY. His resume is very tough to match.
He had the special gift of making everyone on the floor better than they really were.
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Post by iskout on Apr 14, 2021 23:04:08 GMT -5
Was he a PG at Northwestern? No, that was sarcasm. We have no true PG right now
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 3:07:58 GMT -5
Was he a PG at Northwestern? No, that was sarcasm. We have no true PG right now Javian McCollum is a true PG. He was recruited to be JP's heir apparent. He may well be Siena's starting PG come the fall.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2021 6:59:30 GMT -5
No, that was sarcasm. We have no true PG right now Javian McCollum is a true PG. He was recruited to be JP's heir apparent. He may well be Siena's starting PG come the fall. No freshman, no PG by committee not a good move. Carpenter was hyped as being ready to hit the ground running and he was here early. Truth be told AC played like a freshman. I have no double McCollum will be good, but it usually takes a year. We NEED a dedicated PG with experience, not a freshman not a combo. It’s been said a higher profile transfer guy is on the wish list, let’s see if Carm/staff can make it happen.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 7:16:35 GMT -5
Javian McCollum is a true PG. He was recruited to be JP's heir apparent. He may well be Siena's starting PG come the fall. No freshman, no PG by committee not a good move. Carpenter was hyped as being ready to hit the ground running and he was here early. Truth be told AC played like a freshman. I have no double McCollum will be good, but it usually takes a year. We NEED a dedicated PG with experience, not a freshman not a combo. It’s been said a higher profile transfer guy is on the wish list, let’s see if Carm/staff can make it happen. I'd say such luminaries as Marc Brown, Doremus Bennerman, Marquis Wright, Ronald Moore, and Jalen Pickett all worked out pretty well as frosh PGs. So history suggests your aversion to frosh PGs is unfounded. I say bring on the next one in our long line of them who have been superstars. I'm not opposed to another PG for depth and injury insurance, but I feel Javian should be the starter out of the gate. Give him the keys to the program from day one as they were given to all the greats before him. Being a frosh during this Covid year was not easy. There's no way it wasn't disruptive to their learning curve with minimal practice and constant pauses. On top of that Carpenter had a lengthy injury. I expect we'll see a huge sophomore jump from Carpenter. He'll consistently live up to his hype. Give it time.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 15, 2021 7:27:19 GMT -5
It is tough for a true freshman to be an impact player. Being an old guy I remember Bennerman as a freshman and for all he became during his Siena career, he was spotty as a freshman making decisions that are considered "freshman mistakes". There is always an adjustment period and if an impact PG transfer is added to carry the load and ease the transition of McCollum into the role it will bode well for Siena next year. Pickett is the exception that proves the rule, but can lightening strike twice at Siena? If it does and an impact transfer is added we just have an embarrassment of riches with a two headed PG to push the pace for 40 minutes with nothing lost. Two deep at every position is the ultimate goal, but it is rarely achieved at the Mid Major level. If it is achieved that is a recipe for Championship contention.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2021 7:43:59 GMT -5
No freshman, no PG by committee not a good move. Carpenter was hyped as being ready to hit the ground running and he was here early. Truth be told AC played like a freshman. I have no double McCollum will be good, but it usually takes a year. We NEED a dedicated PG with experience, not a freshman not a combo. It’s been said a higher profile transfer guy is on the wish list, let’s see if Carm/staff can make it happen. I'd say such luminaries as Marc Brown, Doremus Bennerman, Marquis Wright, Ronald Moore, and Jalen Pickett all worked out pretty well as frosh PGs. So history suggests your aversion to frosh PGs is unfounded. I say bring on the next one in our long line of them who have been superstars. I'm not opposed to another PG for depth and injury insurance, but I feel Javian should be the starter out of the gate. Give him the keys to the program from day one as they were given to all the greats before him. Being a frosh during this Covid year was not easy. There's no way it wasn't disruptive to their learning curve with minimal practice and constant pauses. On top of that Carpenter had a lengthy injury. I expect we'll see a huge sophomore jump from Carpenter. He'll consistently live up to his hype. Give it time. Today..... like it or not it’s a totally different game with totally different recruiting strategies. The portal and transfers have changed everything! Teams (our competition) can run with more experienced players every year. Freshman can take at least 1/2 a year-season to get up to speed and that’s a minimum. A season can be lost by the time 1/2 the schedule is over. We wouldn’t be looking at the PG position if the staff felt we’re good as is! I happen to agree.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 15, 2021 7:46:45 GMT -5
It is tough for a true freshman to be an impact player. Being an old guy I remember Bennerman as a freshman and for all he became during his Siena career, he was spotty as a freshman making decisions that are considered "freshman mistakes". There is always an adjustment period and if an impact PG transfer is added to carry the load and ease the transition of McCollum into the role it will bode well for Siena next year. Pickett is the exception that proves the rule, but can lightening strike twice at Siena? If it does and an impact transfer is added we just have an embarrassment of riches with a two headed PG to push the pace for 40 minutes with nothing lost. Two deep at every position is the ultimate goal, but it is rarely achieved at the Mid Major level. If it is achieved that is a recipe for Championship contention. Wasn’t Bennerman playing with Brown, a ball dominating PG if there ever was one. Perhaps his improvement as a sophomore was in part due to the fact that his role changed to better fit his skill set? No idea if the Freshman is the answer, but I don’t buy that he isn’t simply because he is a freshman. I also don’t have an issue with pg by committee especially in a “positionless” offense. A Siena great that is often overlooked is Prosper, a combo guard who led the Saints to s maac championship when he was moved to the point and then a nice NIT run as a senior. Siena MSU recruit another pg, I am all for getting as much talent as they can on the roster, but if they don’t I am reasonably optimistic that Carm will be able work with the talent on hand.
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Post by saints14 on Apr 15, 2021 7:50:37 GMT -5
Hope we're right about Javian. I'm wary because he's is listed as more of a combo guard, same as Carey and Carpenter coming in, who were both billed as combos who can run point and struggled in that role when Pickett sat (Jury still out on Aidan). But Javian is a different player so I hope that concern is invalid.
Honestly I doubt it'll happen but I'd love to try revolving more of the offense around Stormo, I think he's got fantastic passing chops. Give him the ball outside of the paint, surround him with 4 guards who can shoot and cut and make him the Jokic of the MAAC
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Post by billmurray on Apr 15, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -5
Hope we're right about Javian. I'm wary because he's is listed as more of a combo guard, same as Carey and Carpenter coming in, who were both billed as combos who can run point and struggled in that role when Pickett sat (Jury still out on Aidan). But Javian is a different player so I hope that concern is invalid. Honestly I doubt it'll happen but I'd love to try revolving more of the offense around Stormo, I think he's got fantastic passing chops. Give him the ball outside of the paint, surround him with 4 guards who can shoot and cut and make him the Jokic of the MAAC I'd "settle" for the Cameron Krutwig of the MAAC.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 15, 2021 9:02:07 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Brendan Barry from Dartmouth/Temple.....he was a NJ kid that visited us his senior year in HS. He can run a team AND really shoot the 3 (NEVER shot below 44% in 4 seasons!!)
Give me him and EJ to clean the glass, and Im ready to take on the Evil Empire from New Ro!
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Post by $cott on Apr 15, 2021 10:14:15 GMT -5
Hope we're right about Javian. I'm wary because he's is listed as more of a combo guard, same as Carey and Carpenter coming in, who were both billed as combos who can run point and struggled in that role when Pickett sat (Jury still out on Aidan). But Javian is a different player so I hope that concern is invalid. Honestly I doubt it'll happen but I'd love to try revolving more of the offense around Stormo, I think he's got fantastic passing chops. Give him the ball outside of the paint, surround him with 4 guards who can shoot and cut and make him the Jokic of the MAAC Stormo can wreak havoc on the lesser MAAC teams but he's never going to be a force against up opponents and other top bigs in the MAAC. It is why he was so limited in the WCC where the league is littered with several 6'10" guys on every roster many of which are 7 foot plus.
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