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Post by marshotel on Apr 15, 2021 13:51:10 GMT -5
Stormo was the most underrated player on the roster this season. What did the kid do this year? In 25 mpg he averaged almost 11 ppg, 6 boards, 70% from the stripe & was almost automatic at the rim at 65%, had nice footwork around the hoop and was a tough physical presence in the paint without fouling. Stormo was my Saint's POY. If Stormo had to sit out the year as originally planned; Saints don't win the conference and finish closer to middle of the pack.
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Post by MTS on Apr 15, 2021 14:49:10 GMT -5
Next year I think we’re going to play much faster which is what Carm wants.
Assuming we add two more players we will have 14 scholarship players total (Hopkins doesn’t count).
Obviously they won’t all play but we’ll have a ton of quality depth.
Maybe no player will be as good as a Jalen Pickett or Manny Camper but 1 through 14 the roster will be hopefully be better overall than Carm’s first two years.
Playing guys 37-39 minutes a game means you can’t play fast.
Next year I bet nobody averages more than 30-32 minutes a game.
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Post by saints14 on Apr 15, 2021 15:04:32 GMT -5
Just because Ndefo blocks a lot of shots doesnt mean he's a center. You were complaining about Stormo not being able to compete with 6'10" kids and up. Stormo is a very good big and actually saved our ass this year. Plus he was the only kid that showed up vs Iona. He can be my center anyday. He can be my center anyday as well but huge difference between him being your center and running your offense through him. I think we are better off letting the guards run the show and Stormo playing the complementary piece. That being said, I would like to see him develop a nice free throw line jumper that would open up the passing lanes which he excels at. If that happens then you could run more sets that go through him. Yeah Jokic of the MAAC was an exaggeration but I think we could stand to give him more responsibility in halfcourt sets, especially if we don't have a clear-cut point guard: DHOs, hitting cutters, kick out to shooters out of post-ups, etc. Would like to see him more involved in the action outside of just giving him the ball in the post. I'm still thinking about that game he hit Manny on cuts a few times in a row, and hit an open shooter in the same sequence. Could see him averaging 3+ assists per game
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Post by $cott on Apr 15, 2021 15:34:23 GMT -5
He can be my center anyday as well but huge difference between him being your center and running your offense through him. I think we are better off letting the guards run the show and Stormo playing the complementary piece. That being said, I would like to see him develop a nice free throw line jumper that would open up the passing lanes which he excels at. If that happens then you could run more sets that go through him. Yeah Jokic of the MAAC was an exaggeration but I think we could stand to give him more responsibility in halfcourt sets, especially if we don't have a clear-cut point guard: DHOs, hitting cutters, kick out to shooters out of post-ups, etc. Would like to see him more involved in the action outside of just giving him the ball in the post. I'm still thinking about that game he hit Manny on cuts a few times in a row, and hit an open shooter in the same sequence. Could see him averaging 3+ assists per game That I am onboard with giving a try, especially if he can add that free throw line jumper.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 16:45:08 GMT -5
Doremus Bennerman arrived during Marc Brown's senior year. He backed up Brown and played alongside him at times with Brown being moved off the ball. DB averaged 7 ppg, shooting 44% from the field, 40% from three, and 83% at the same charity stripe. I don't know what his assist to turnover ratio was. He averaged 16 mpg as a frosh. Playing starting minutes, would have resulted in numbers closer to what came the following year and beyond - but he didn't get that opportunity with Brown present. He clearly would have been a 4 year superstar had he started from day 1 all 4 years. I'm all for getting a transfer PG for depth and experience. But don't write off McCollum as the potential winner of the starting job. Dude's a 3 star recruit who's a 42% 3 point shooter on a team desperately in need of perimeter shooting. He'll be in the thick of things. If Carm can land someone with even better potential than that, it would be quite the feat. I won't complain. I understand your point. I never meant to "write off" McCollum. I was suggesting that with an impact transfer the pressure wouldn't be on McCollum to need to be the man from day one. Maybe he can be, I hope he can be, but he signed knowing JP was likely the starting PG as a senior and he could play off the ball or be a backup. With an impact PG transfer it only improves the situation in my opinion. As for Bennerman he was a great Siena player and his numbers were solid his freshman year given his minutes, but being there and remembering the freshman turnovers and bad decisions that led Mike Deane to give him the hook now and again (as he did with everyone but Brown) is what led to my comment. Brown was the man from day one because he was usually the best guard on the court in the league and out of conference in every game he played. I understand your point as well. I'm not opposed to securing another PG - I'm all for it. I'm just saying McCollum should be given every opportunity to win the starting job and develop. It's okay for him to play through mistakes as those before him have. Let the transfer be the insurance in case he struggles - the transfer need not be a star, just a veteran who doesn't turn the ball over. Our history of great PGs shows that all of them got significant playing time all 4 years - if not being deemed the starter from day one. If McCollum makes mistakes, yet is still having an all-rookie season, we're off to the races and set for the future for years to come. I'm not a fan of one year rentals - especially at the 1, which is your floor general. That's a position I'd prefer to see continuity.
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Post by saints15 on Apr 15, 2021 16:53:36 GMT -5
I understand your point. I never meant to "write off" McCollum. I was suggesting that with an impact transfer the pressure wouldn't be on McCollum to need to be the man from day one. Maybe he can be, I hope he can be, but he signed knowing JP was likely the starting PG as a senior and he could play off the ball or be a backup. With an impact PG transfer it only improves the situation in my opinion. As for Bennerman he was a great Siena player and his numbers were solid his freshman year given his minutes, but being there and remembering the freshman turnovers and bad decisions that led Mike Deane to give him the hook now and again (as he did with everyone but Brown) is what led to my comment. Brown was the man from day one because he was usually the best guard on the court in the league and out of conference in every game he played. I understand your point as well. I'm not opposed to securing another PG - I'm all for it. I'm just saying McCollum should be given every opportunity to win the starting job and develop. It's okay for him to play through mistakes as those before him have. Let the transfer be the insurance in case he struggles - the transfer need not be a star, just a veteran who doesn't turn the ball over. Our history of great PGs shows that all of them got significant playing time all 4 years - if not being deemed the starter from day one. If McCollum makes mistakes, yet is still having an all-rookie season, we're off to the races and set for the future for years to come. I'm not a fan of one year rentals - especially at the 1, which is your floor general. That's a position I'd prefer to see continuity. ”Off to the races for years to come”....I don’t think so. With the new transfer rule if he is a star freshmen he is off to a high major. That new transfer rule means the focus needs to be on winning each game since that young player you used to develop probably won't be there next year. In fact, if players are equal you will see coaches playing the older player or player that transferred in and try to hide the younger player so they aren’t poached after 1 year.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 16:53:54 GMT -5
Bottom line, in my opinion, is that in this day and age you don't have the luxury of waiting around and letting guys develop. We can't hand the keys to McCollum, hope he's good enough to win us games, and waste Stormo/Gaines/etc if he's not ready to go. You add talent every year. If you bring in a transfer PG and Javian is good enough, Javian will be on the floor. There aren't 2-3 year rebuilds and "title windows" anymore. There are 1400 players out there to go get and Iona's getting good ones every year. You can't sit on your hands and hope everyone stays long enough to get good one day. You make a valid point, but there's a counterpoint. Using your Iona example, Pitino handed the keys to NJJ as their featured big man...and he went on to be ROY. You are correct that Iona is getting good players every year - that includes frosh that can start and be stars from day one. So lets recruit those too and let them play. Maybe I'm naive for seeking the 4 year star - but I am nostalgic for those days. I don't think it bodes well for Siena's long-term future when it has no one on the all-rookie team. I'm just never going to be a fan of building around 1 year rentals.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 17:02:05 GMT -5
I understand your point as well. I'm not opposed to securing another PG - I'm all for it. I'm just saying McCollum should be given every opportunity to win the starting job and develop. It's okay for him to play through mistakes as those before him have. Let the transfer be the insurance in case he struggles - the transfer need not be a star, just a veteran who doesn't turn the ball over. Our history of great PGs shows that all of them got significant playing time all 4 years - if not being deemed the starter from day one. If McCollum makes mistakes, yet is still having an all-rookie season, we're off to the races and set for the future for years to come. I'm not a fan of one year rentals - especially at the 1, which is your floor general. That's a position I'd prefer to see continuity. ”Off to the races for years to come”....I don’t think so. With the new transfer rule if he is a star freshmen he is off to a high major. That new transfer rule means the focus needs to be on winning each game since that young player you used to develop probably won't be there next year. In fact, if players are equal you will see coaches playing the older player or player that transferred in and try to hide the younger player so they aren’t poached after 1 year. That viewpoint is a little fatalistic - and isn't always the case. Where did Nelly Junior Joseph transfer to after his star frosh year? The All rookie team was Joseph, Hakim Byrd, Tymu Chenery, Luis Kortright, and Ricardo Wright. How many of those guys transferred out?
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 15, 2021 17:13:25 GMT -5
Bottom line, in my opinion, is that in this day and age you don't have the luxury of waiting around and letting guys develop. We can't hand the keys to McCollum, hope he's good enough to win us games, and waste Stormo/Gaines/etc if he's not ready to go. You add talent every year. If you bring in a transfer PG and Javian is good enough, Javian will be on the floor. There aren't 2-3 year rebuilds and "title windows" anymore. There are 1400 players out there to go get and Iona's getting good ones every year. You can't sit on your hands and hope everyone stays long enough to get good one day. You make a valid point, but there's a counterpoint. Using your Iona example, Pitino handed the keys to NJJ as their featured big man...and he went on to be ROY. You are correct that Iona is getting good players every year - that includes frosh that can start and be stars from day one. So lets recruit those too and let them play. Maybe I'm naive for seeking the 4 year star - but I am nostalgic for those days. I don't think it bodes well for Siena's long-term future when it has no one on the all-rookie team. I'm just never going to be a fan of building around 1 year rentals. Iona was in the first year of a coaching change, took a JUCO big (Shema), had a D1 transfer big (Robert Brown) and small-ball with a senior (Van Eyck). NJJ won the job. If a freshman wins the PG job, great. But you gotta bring in competition. Jalen Pickett has said Carm is like a father figure to him. He committed to Carm, stayed when he could have went anywhere in the country after his freshman year. He won two MAAC titles, a POY, 3x First Team. And yet as soon as he could transfer without sitting, he’s in the portal about to go to the highest level. If Jalen Pickett doesn’t want to be a four year star, how can you count on anyone else to want to be? Maybe you get a few over the years but you can’t count on it consistently. A relevant quote from Greg Kampe, the head coach at Oakland, in an SI article from yesterday: “If you are building for the future,” the longtime Oakland men’s coach says, “you’re going to lose your job.” www.si.com/college/2021/04/14/ncaa-transfers-rule-change-football-basketballPretty sure Carm has no interest in getting fired. Go get players. Now. Get them if they have one year or four years. If they can help you quickly, go get them. If they leave, they leave. Get what you can out of them and then recruit the next batch. Otherwise, you’re dead in the water. Adapt or die.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 17:15:09 GMT -5
Guards we have, which ones we can reliably use at THE POINT Guard position is the question. I think we are still short at the forward position, say 6'6" or 6'7" shooter/slasher/rebounder like Camper, Robinson, Franklin types. We need players that will attack the basket, get fouled and make free throws. Then we will have the complete set of tools to run the court. None of this bounce, bounce, bounce stuff. youtu.be/mX7PujtvsgwYes please. Let's get him. With big brother OD as the lead recruiter trying to sell Siena, that's got to increase our our chances.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2021 17:26:08 GMT -5
You make a valid point, but there's a counterpoint. Using your Iona example, Pitino handed the keys to NJJ as their featured big man...and he went on to be ROY. You are correct that Iona is getting good players every year - that includes frosh that can start and be stars from day one. So lets recruit those too and let them play. Maybe I'm naive for seeking the 4 year star - but I am nostalgic for those days. I don't think it bodes well for Siena's long-term future when it has no one on the all-rookie team. I'm just never going to be a fan of building around 1 year rentals. Iona was in the first year of a coaching change, took a JUCO big (Shema), had a D1 transfer big (Robert Brown) and small-ball with a senior (Van Eyck). NJJ won the job. If a freshman wins the PG job, great. But you gotta bring in competition. Jalen Pickett has said Carm is like a father figure to him. He committed to Carm, stayed when he could have went anywhere in the country after his freshman year. He won two MAAC titles, a POY, 3x First Team. And yet as soon as he could transfer without sitting, he’s in the portal about to go to the highest level. If Jalen Pickett doesn’t want to be a four year star, how can you count on anyone else to want to be? Maybe you get a few over the years but you can’t count on it consistently. A relevant quote from Greg Kampe, the head coach at Oakland, in an SI article from yesterday: “If you are building for the future,” the longtime Oakland men’s coach says, “you’re going to lose your job.” www.si.com/college/2021/04/14/ncaa-transfers-rule-change-football-basketballPretty sure Carm has no interest in getting fired. Go get players. Now. Get them if they have one year or four years. If they can help you quickly, go get them. If they leave, they leave. Get what you can out of them and then recruit the next batch. Otherwise, you’re dead in the water. Adapt or die. I get that. I'm not opposed to bringing it a second PG. I'm just saying not to bring in the transfer telling him he's the starter. Let the transfer and the frosh compete for the job and let the best man win. So I think we are agreed on that point. NJJ competed for the job - and won it. Now he's all rookie and Iona is set at that position for some time to come. I'm aware that the era of 4 year dynasties with all the same guys like we had with McCaffery is over. But some consistency would be nice. I much like D'Arg said in his comments the other day am among those fans who enjoyed the affinity developed for players that spend their entire career here and I lament that we are losing that. I'm not sure I will be able to connect to the program the way I used to without that.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2021 19:10:15 GMT -5
Iona was in the first year of a coaching change, took a JUCO big (Shema), had a D1 transfer big (Robert Brown) and small-ball with a senior (Van Eyck). NJJ won the job. If a freshman wins the PG job, great. But you gotta bring in competition. Jalen Pickett has said Carm is like a father figure to him. He committed to Carm, stayed when he could have went anywhere in the country after his freshman year. He won two MAAC titles, a POY, 3x First Team. And yet as soon as he could transfer without sitting, he’s in the portal about to go to the highest level. If Jalen Pickett doesn’t want to be a four year star, how can you count on anyone else to want to be? Maybe you get a few over the years but you can’t count on it consistently. A relevant quote from Greg Kampe, the head coach at Oakland, in an SI article from yesterday: “If you are building for the future,” the longtime Oakland men’s coach says, “you’re going to lose your job.” www.si.com/college/2021/04/14/ncaa-transfers-rule-change-football-basketballPretty sure Carm has no interest in getting fired. Go get players. Now. Get them if they have one year or four years. If they can help you quickly, go get them. If they leave, they leave. Get what you can out of them and then recruit the next batch. Otherwise, you’re dead in the water. Adapt or die. I get that. I'm not opposed to bringing it a second PG. I'm just saying not to bring in the transfer telling him he's the starter. Let the transfer and the frosh compete for the job and let the best man win. So I think we are agreed on that point. NJJ competed for the job - and won it. Now he's all rookie and Iona is set at that position for some time to come. I'm aware that the era of 4 year dynasties with all the same guys like we had with McCaffery is over. But some consistency would be nice. I much like D'Arg said in his comments the other day am among those fans who enjoyed the affinity developed for players that spend their entire career here and I lament that we are losing that. I'm not sure I will be able to connect to the program the way I used to without that. You may no longer be able to connect with any college - amateur athletics. Not that I particularly care for the way that it’s going....I just don’t see it changing anytime soon!
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 15, 2021 19:51:22 GMT -5
Is Jamaal Mashburn Jr an option
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 15, 2021 19:57:01 GMT -5
Is Jamaal Mashburn Jr an option Think he’s planning to follow Richard Pitino to New Mexico and if not would be looking HM. Not a likely name for us.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 15, 2021 20:08:52 GMT -5
Is Jamaal Mashburn Jr an option Pretty sure if he considered a MM, he'd be playing for Daddys college coach, not us.
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