brian
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Post by brian on Mar 6, 2013 23:41:46 GMT -5
Think you need to look at him strictly from the standpoint of when he was interviewing.
He was coming off back to back NCAA tournament trips and was 65-24 the previous 3 years after taking over a brutal program. Not sure that would qualify as a sub-par candidate.
Now if you're looking at O'Hanlon today and the decade + since he interviewed and thinking he is a lousy or subpar coach that would be different.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 7, 2013 8:34:56 GMT -5
the fact that you can't accept O'Hanlon or Orr as subpar is all that needs to be said on this topic!!!!!!!!!!!! You're probably right......well, actually, you're not......but I will say one other thing. Coach O'Hanlon was offered the job after a series of interviews with people on campus, so as "subpar" as you may think he was/is, I think it's fair to say that a number of other people (those who participated in the interviews) would not share your opinion. That would include me, as one of the people who interviewed all of the candidates that year. And maybe that's all that really has to be said on this topic!!!!!!!!!!! look, anyone can be fooled or taken for a ride during an interview..............bottom line, this O'Hanlon was never really interested, as it was written in the book by Feinstein the yr he followed the Patriot League for a full season..............he was nervous about the expectations at Siena and that he had never recruited to the level he would need to be successful here so he was hesitant, that and he was leveraging to get more money from LaFayette............Siena was played and duped to the max, then Orr situation...........and furthermore, the hiring process should be directed/conducted by the AD and lastly the school president, not some others or a committee (iF they cannot handle that procedure, then we need to install others in those official positions), that screams ineptness, perhaps that is the problem why things have gone awry with the program on more than one occassion, too many cooks in the kitchen, so please refrain yourself from the process..................well you get the picture!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sienadan on Mar 7, 2013 10:09:07 GMT -5
the hiring process should be directed/conducted by the AD and lastly the school president, not some others or a committee (iF they cannot handle that procedure, then we need to install others in those official positions), that screams ineptness.... Excellent, excellent observation.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 7, 2013 10:30:21 GMT -5
You're probably right......well, actually, you're not......but I will say one other thing. Coach O'Hanlon was offered the job after a series of interviews with people on campus, so as "subpar" as you may think he was/is, I think it's fair to say that a number of other people (those who participated in the interviews) would not share your opinion. That would include me, as one of the people who interviewed all of the candidates that year. And maybe that's all that really has to be said on this topic!!!!!!!!!!! Coaches using another school to get a raise from it's current employer. Happens all the time. It's the reason Will Brown isn't allowed to step foot in Olean, NY! lol look, anyone can be fooled or taken for a ride during an interview..............bottom line, this O'Hanlon was never really interested, as it was written in the book by Feinstein the yr he followed the Patriot League for a full season..............he was nervous about the expectations at Siena and that he had never recruited to the level he would need to be successful here so he was hesitant, that and he was leveraging to get more money from LaFayette............Siena was played and duped to the max, then Orr situation...........and furthermore, the hiring process should be directed/conducted by the AD and lastly the school president, not some others or a committee (iF they cannot handle that procedure, then we need to install others in those official positions), that screams ineptness, perhaps that is the problem why things have gone awry with the program on more than one occassion, too many cooks in the kitchen, so please refrain yourself from the process..................well you get the picture!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by DelmartianEd on Mar 7, 2013 14:14:32 GMT -5
the hiring process should be directed/conducted by the AD and lastly the school president, not some others or a committee (iF they cannot handle that procedure, then we need to install others in those official positions), that screams ineptness.... Excellent, excellent observation. It's been a while since I've been involved in things on campus, but as I recall, hiring committees are pretty much a standard practice at Siena. Not just in the athletic department, but in other areas as well. I think that's fairly common in academia. I don't know how often the athletic departments become exceptions. I suspect no one on this board is qualified to speak about how other schools like Butler or Xavier do it, but that might be the question worth asking.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 7, 2013 15:09:52 GMT -5
Excellent, excellent observation. It's been a while since I've been involved in things on campus, but as I recall, hiring committees are pretty much a standard practice at Siena. Not just in the athletic department, but in other areas as well. I think that's fairly common in academia. I don't know how often the athletic departments become exceptions. I suspect no one on this board is qualified to speak about how other schools like Butler or Xavier do it, but that might be the question worth asking. perhaps in the academic sense, but not for hiring coaches!!!!!!!!
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Post by siena03 on Mar 7, 2013 15:50:58 GMT -5
It's been a while since I've been involved in things on campus, but as I recall, hiring committees are pretty much a standard practice at Siena. Not just in the athletic department, but in other areas as well. I think that's fairly common in academia. I don't know how often the athletic departments become exceptions. I suspect no one on this board is qualified to speak about how other schools like Butler or Xavier do it, but that might be the question worth asking. perhaps in the academic sense, but not for hiring coaches!!!!!!!! Arrogance is bliss ...got to love it ! I bet nobody is going to admit they were wrong about Mitch either.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Mar 7, 2013 16:41:47 GMT -5
perhaps in the academic sense, but not for hiring coaches!!!!!!!! Is that your guess, or do you know a lot about how athletic departments typically handle these things?
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 7, 2013 19:28:14 GMT -5
perhaps in the academic sense, but not for hiring coaches!!!!!!!! Is that your guess, or do you know a lot about how athletic departments typically handle these things? since it was mentioned here and other times been thrown out in the media that commitees were established to do the hiring/interviewing..................college coaches have a boss, that would be the AD, who is then under the school Pres..............institutions around the country hire coaches all the time, it is a function of the AD, not for external sources to put in their 2 cents, as how do we know those individuals have the best interest of the school at heart or are they working on some side agenda (I know this guy so let's give him a shot, etc....)...........why bother having an AD then or perhaps that individual is not capable or up to the task?...............this isn't some secret society or Iluminati involved, not much to ask the AD to be competent to handle the process........if he needs outsiders to gather information or consulting firms to find agents for contacting potentials based on circumstances, then that is clearly an important task that he can filter as needed.........otherwise, this is the AD's task along with the Pres!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Tony on Mar 7, 2013 20:17:06 GMT -5
Most of the good mid majors that have broken out of the mid major cycle all have strong AD’s… hiring committees seldom work consistently —too many agenda’s. And Siena is a prime example of that. I know many many people were worried about hiring Mitch ( because of his prior record- plus they knew him…LOL) anyway was it fr Kevin or a few high powered boosters whatever that pushed for Mitch? —it was a big mistake that a top mid major would NOT have made-- and like as been said many times if the mistake was made it would have been corrected quickly. Mitch basically bullshitted Siena admin and fans... and Siena let him go 3 years
Darg does a lot of good things, but he is not a basketball man – and it hurts Siena’s consistency
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