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Post by saints14 on Apr 24, 2020 9:44:52 GMT -5
I could see Manny playing more 3 next year. Not saying I agree with it, but I'm not convinced Carm played him at the 4 because it's his best position vs having no other 4s in the rotation. I'd guess his NBA feedback will be to improve as a floor spacer so he might come back shooting more 3s.
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Post by gosaints on Apr 24, 2020 9:48:43 GMT -5
Since we're all winging it here's my WAG;
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Pickett - 31 Camper - 30 Carey - 25 Carpenter - 23 Young - 20 Tate - 22 Golson - 12 Harris - 19 King - 12 Kwiecinski - 6
Carpenter is only a Freshman, right?
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Post by james on Apr 24, 2020 9:50:55 GMT -5
One can only hope that Carpenter is as good as KK says!Looking forward to seeing him play,hopefully in person.Maybe he will be our new Bennerman,my fingers are crossed.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by gosaints on Apr 24, 2020 9:51:22 GMT -5
I could see Manny playing more 3 next year. Not saying I agree with it, but I'm not convinced Carm played him at the 4 because it's his best position vs having no other 4s in the rotation. I'd guess his NBA feedback will be to improve as a floor spacer so he might come back shooting more 3s. Sort of a scary thought don't you think? He'd have to up his 3 point percentage by 6/7%.
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Post by saints14 on Apr 24, 2020 10:00:14 GMT -5
I could see Manny playing more 3 next year. Not saying I agree with it, but I'm not convinced Carm played him at the 4 because it's his best position vs having no other 4s in the rotation. I'd guess his NBA feedback will be to improve as a floor spacer so he might come back shooting more 3s. Sort of a scary thought don't you think? He'd have to up his 3 point percentage by 6/7%. I'd like to see him expand his game as long as it doesn't detract from what he does best and he doesn't force things. I don't see him being shooting 40% or even upper 30%s from 3 but if he can just be competent enough so that the defense doesn't sag off him while he's off-ball on the perimeter, that'll really help open up the floor for our drivers.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 24, 2020 10:19:11 GMT -5
Manny will play more 5 next year, especially if we don’t land an impact guy with the last spot.
I suppose it’s all semantics as to who is the 5 if he’s playing next to Tate or Golson (or both). But the 5 is a legit option for him.
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Post by $cott on Apr 24, 2020 10:25:27 GMT -5
People get way too caught up in defining the numerical positions in a system that is supposed to be positionless basketball. If Pickett, Carpenter, Camper, Tate, and Golson are on the court together does it really matter who the 3 is?
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 24, 2020 11:26:46 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that we can pencil in Carey and Pickett for 30 mpg. It'll be nice to finally see those guys get legitimate rest during games and be kept fresh. That is unless Carey has another mid-season slump - in which case, Carpenter will take more of his minutes until Carey straightens himself out.
Harris will start at the 3 and get his usual 20 minutes or so there. Carm noted what the team's record was after Harris was inserted as a starter and he's not going to mess up that chemistry. Carpenter is going to get his 20-25 minutes a game piecemeal by backing up the 1, 2, and 3. Whenever you see any one of Pickett, Carey, or Harris out of the game, you can bet Carpenter will be in there at one of those positions to complete the trifecta, hopefully without much drop-off. King will round out the guard rotation with spot minutes as needed for shooting. I do not think another guard is coming for 2020 at this point.
Camper is another guy you can pencil in for 30 minutes at the 4. He's a first team all league player at that position and he isn't going anywhere to fix what didn't need fixing. All talk of him shifting to the 3 is folly. So the 4 and 5 rotation will consist of Camper, Tate, Young, and another big likely to be added. Tate is going to get at least 25 minutes a game. Tony is right that he didn't leave the A-10 playing 20 a game to play the same or less in the MAAC. He doesn't need to be a starter to accomplish that. There will be around 10 minutes available at the 4 and another 20 or so at the 5. The only way Tate is a starter in 2020 is if: one, he's immediately eligible in the fall; or 2) whoever was starting at the 5 wasn't getting the job done on a level Carm wants come spring when Tate becomes eligible and a change is made.
Young is going to get his. How much depends on how much he's progressing and who else they bring in at the 5. If they get a high major grad transfer, that person is going to expect to start with Young backing him up. This will cut into Tate's minutes, but only for a semester. Tate knows he's Camper's heir apparent for the following two full seasons. They'll still find at least 20 minutes per game for him.
Where does this leave Kwiecinski and Golson? On the bench. I have my doubts about the readiness of both. As per Carm Kwiecinski is up to 6'8 and a half. But he's still 210 lbs. That's not yet a body ready to play D1 ball at the 4 or 5. He'll see spots minutes in the event of foul trouble or injury, otherwise I think he's a year away. As for Golson, Carm recently revealed he's only 6'5 and a half. He's the height of our guards but he's got a power forward's game and cannot defend guards. I honestly don't know where he fits into this. I think he might be another guy we may not see much of next season. The frontcourt rotation gets even more interesting the following season when you throw two more true big men into the mix and only Camper and the expected grad big depart.
My long-term prediction: on paper everyone looks great on paper in the preseason. But then the games start and reality sets in. The cream always rises to the top. A lot of people thought Sutherland was going to be a difference maker, and he was often the best player on the floor in his high school games. Yet he couldn't get any run in this program and departed. Expect a couple of current guys in the program to unexpectedly be in the same predicament next season and eventually depart.
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Post by gosaints on Apr 24, 2020 14:40:18 GMT -5
Manny will play more 5 next year, especially if we don’t land an impact guy with the last spot. I suppose it’s all semantics as to who is the 5 if he’s playing next to Tate or Golson (or both). But the 5 is a legit option for him. Manny needs to stay where he was. Lets not screw up a good thing! Young, Tate and Golson can man the 5.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 24, 2020 15:11:47 GMT -5
The whole idea behind having versatile guys is that you can move them around to best attack the opponent. Camper may have been the 4, but he really was a wing player who attacked the defense. He also defends anywhere from the 1 to 5. I have no problem moving him or other pieces around to get the best matchups possible.
As I've said before, I love the idea of playing small at times. What the saints would give up in interior defense and rebounding, they can make up with pressure defense, speeding teams up and getting out in transition. Having big guards like Pickett and Carey, and athletic wings like Harris and Camper (and Tate) will help negate rebounding issues if they go small.
I am not saying that is the way to go 100% of the time, and I am probably Young's biggest fan on this board, but it will be fun to watch.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 24, 2020 15:46:51 GMT -5
I could see Manny playing more 3 next year. Not saying I agree with it, but I'm not convinced Carm played him at the 4 because it's his best position vs having no other 4s in the rotation. I'd guess his NBA feedback will be to improve as a floor spacer so he might come back shooting more 3s. Sort of a scary thought don't you think? He'd have to up his 3 point percentage by 6/7%. If he did, he'd be the best 3-pt shooter on the team. People also seem to forget that Manny was our starting 2 guard his soph year. I think it's obvious he's better closer to the basket because of his nose for the ball, but its not like we're asking Sammy Friday to step out and play the perimeter either. His future aspirations might play into where/how he plays this year also. He might feel a need to prove he can also play outside after proving to be very effective inside his junior year.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 24, 2020 16:01:55 GMT -5
Sort of a scary thought don't you think? He'd have to up his 3 point percentage by 6/7%. If he did, he'd be the best 3-pt shooter on the team. People also seem to forget that Manny was our starting 2 guard his soph year. I think it's obvious he's better closer to the basket because of his nose for the ball, but its not like we're asking Sammy Friday to step out and play the perimeter either. His future aspirations might play into where/how he plays this year also. He might feel a need to prove he can also play outside after proving to be very effective inside his junior year. Possible and I'm sure Manny will play where and how is best for the team and based on the staffs' game plan. Despite his aspirations, Manny is a team guy first. Depending on the arrival of a can play immediately big the two may coincide.
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Post by phillyfan on Apr 24, 2020 16:07:53 GMT -5
I think it's safe to say that we can pencil in Carey and Pickett for 30 mpg. It'll be nice to finally see those guys get legitimate rest during games and be kept fresh. That is unless Carey has another mid-season slump - in which case, Carpenter will take more of his minutes until Carey straightens himself out. Harris will start at the 3 and get his usual 20 minutes or so there. Carm noted what the team's record was after Harris was inserted as a starter and he's not going to mess up that chemistry. Carpenter is going to get his 20-25 minutes a game piecemeal by backing up the 1, 2, and 3. Whenever you see any one of Pickett, Carey, or Harris out of the game, you can bet Carpenter will be in there at one of those positions to complete the trifecta, hopefully without much drop-off. King will round out the guard rotation with spot minutes as needed for shooting. I do not think another guard is coming for 2020 at this point. Camper is another guy you can pencil in for 30 minutes at the 4. He's a first team all league player at that position and he isn't going anywhere to fix what didn't need fixing. All talk of him shifting to the 3 is folly. So the 4 and 5 rotation will consist of Camper, Tate, Young, and another big likely to be added. Tate is going to get at least 25 minutes a game. Tony is right that he didn't leave the A-10 playing 20 a game to play the same or less in the MAAC. He doesn't need to be a starter to accomplish that. There will be around 10 minutes available at the 4 and another 20 or so at the 5. The only way Tate is a starter in 2020 is if: one, he's immediately eligible in the fall; or 2) whoever was starting at the 5 wasn't getting the job done on a level Carm wants come spring when Tate becomes eligible and a change is made. Young is going to get his. How much depends on how much he's progressing and who else they bring in at the 5. If they get a high major grad transfer, that person is going to expect to start with Young backing him up. This will cut into Tate's minutes, but only for a semester. Tate knows he's Camper's heir apparent for the following two full seasons. They'll still find at least 20 minutes per game for him. Where does this leave Kwiecinski and Golson? On the bench. I have my doubts about the readiness of both. As per Carm Kwiecinski is up to 6'8 and a half. But he's still 210 lbs. That's not yet a body ready to play D1 ball at the 4 or 5. He'll see spots minutes in the event of foul trouble or injury, otherwise I think he's a year away. As for Golson, Carm recently revealed he's only 6'5 and a half. He's the height of our guards but he's got a power forward's game and cannot defend guards. I honestly don't know where he fits into this. I think he might be another guy we may not see much of next season. The frontcourt rotation gets even more interesting the following season when you throw two more true big men into the mix and only Camper and the expected grad big depart. My long-term prediction: on paper everyone looks great on paper in the preseason. But then the games start and reality sets in. The cream always rises to the top. A lot of people thought Sutherland was going to be a difference maker, and he was often the best player on the floor in his high school games. Yet he couldn't get any run in this program and departed. Expect a couple of current guys in the program to unexpectedly be in the same predicament next season and eventually depart.
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Post by phillyfan on Apr 24, 2020 16:37:19 GMT -5
Really agree with most of what Saintsfan says here. I think we have a tendency to over-hype incoming freshmen, and underestimate growth on part of current underclassmen. With both Harris and Young I see potential for exception growth. Harris has a great attitude from what I can tell,is a hard worker and almost needs to mature into how athletic he is. But no doubt he will get better, and has almost unlimited potential. I feel the same way about Young. Great attitude, aggressive and fearless. Good hands and will only get stronger. And remember he has an older brother who was red shirt freshman starter for Big Ten Northwestern, Last time I checked he was starting and a 10 and 6 guy. Good guy for Kyle to work out against during the extended off season. I even wonder if the reason the 2 big transfers were recruited were because it's insurance in case Young were to transfer out. No matter, lot to be optimistic about!
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Post by indian82 on Apr 24, 2020 17:26:40 GMT -5
Really agree with most of what Saintsfan says here. I think we have a tendency to over-hype incoming freshmen, and underestimate growth on part of current underclassmen. With both Harris and Young I see potential for exception growth. Harris has a great attitude from what I can tell,is a hard worker and almost needs to mature into how athletic he is. But no doubt he will get better, and has almost unlimited potential. I feel the same way about Young. Great attitude, aggressive and fearless. Good hands and will only get stronger. And remember he has an older brother who was red shirt freshman starter for Big Ten Northwestern, Last time I checked he was starting and a 10 and 6 guy. Good guy for Kyle to work out against during the extended off season. I even wonder if the reason the 2 big transfers were recruited were because it's insurance in case Young were to transfer out. No matter, lot to be optimistic about! Good post, but bite your tongue about Young transferring.
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