Headliner Commit - Jackson Stormo

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Apr 21, 2020 14:25:50 GMT -5 Tony said:

Apr 21, 2020 14:19:27 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

That sounds like animal cruelty.  I won't be a part of it.

In your case think of it as talking around the corn hole

Tony, I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but cornhole isn't even my favorite backyard game. 

3-hole washers is.  3 holes are much more life like after all don't you think. 

[sky]

Back to the topic...
Pepperdine has been recruiting over
Jackson.The latest is a 6'10" center. They now have two 6'10" guys and one 6'9". Pepperdine plays a guard oriented game with 4 guards and a center. I think you can throw Jackson's stats right out the window. His High Shool stats are pretty good and he was playing in an AA league.we will have to wait two years to find out but we may have struck a little gold with Jackson.

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Apr 23, 2020 8:03:40 GMT -5 sky said:

Back to the topic...
Pepperdine has been recruiting over
Jackson.The latest is a 6'10" center. They now have two 6'10" guys and one 6'9". Pepperdine plays a guard oriented game with 4 guards and a center. I think you can throw Jackson's stats right out the window. His High Shool stats are pretty good and he was playing in an AA league.we will have to wait two years to find out but we may have struck a little gold with Jackson.

You know who else plays a guard oriented game with 4 guards and a center?...

Hell, we may even play 5 guards this year.

[SaintMisbehavin]

He's leaving the most beautiful campus in the continental United States, betting on himself to come across the country to spend his winters in Upstate NY and prove his worth.

It's either a glaring lack of alternative options, or he's hungry to prove himself and will compete for PT once he's eligible. I hope it's the latter.

[phillyfan]

With a name like Stormo I can't imagine he'll be a "soft" big man.

[billmurray]

Apr 23, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 SaintMisbehavin said:

He's leaving the most beautiful campus in the continental United States, betting on himself to come across the country to spend his winters in Upstate NY and prove his worth.

It's either a glaring lack of alternative options, or he's hungry to prove himself and will compete for PT once he's eligible. I hope it's the latter.

Generally speaking you don't leave paradise to come to Albany and give less than your best to succeed. As always I am hopeful.

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Apr 23, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 SaintMisbehavin said:

He's leaving the most beautiful campus in the continental United States, betting on himself to come across the country to spend his winters in Upstate NY and prove his worth.

It's either a glaring lack of alternative options, or he's hungry to prove himself and will compete for PT once he's eligible. I hope it's the latter.

Honestly, I think he's probably a capable big man.  I think he's probably a lot like Young judging by his high school stats.

The question is simply, 'does having 2 or 3 'Young' types fit the system?

It's not like Rossiter was some gazelle out there either.  He played under Fran in a similar system.

For these guys to succeed...literally all they'd need to do is rebound and score around the rim.  It's just that this sort of caps Siena's interior upside.  You're not going to have a pick and pop center who is quick to the rim off the pick and roll...and you're not going to have a dynamic rim protector.

You're basically betting entirely on their ability to move bodies around and rebound.  That can work, especially with the types of 4 men we have, but it's not particularly versatile or exciting.

Kyle Young could do this already.  Kid can rebound.

[IndianSaint]

Apr 23, 2020 9:48:11 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Apr 23, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 SaintMisbehavin said:

He's leaving the most beautiful campus in the continental United States, betting on himself to come across the country to spend his winters in Upstate NY and prove his worth.

It's either a glaring lack of alternative options, or he's hungry to prove himself and will compete for PT once he's eligible. I hope it's the latter.

Honestly, I think he's probably a capable big man.  I think he's probably a lot like Young judging by his high school stats.

The question is simply, 'does having 2 or 3 'Young' types fit the system?

It's not like Rossiter was some gazelle out there either.  He played under Fran in a similar system.

For these guys to succeed...literally all they'd need to do is rebound and score around the rim.  It's just that this sort of caps Siena's interior upside.  You're not going to have a pick and pop center who is quick to the rim off the pick and roll...and you're not going to have a dynamic rim protector.

You're basically betting entirely on their ability to move bodies around and rebound.  That can work, especially with the types of 4 men we have, but it's not particularly versatile or exciting.

Kyle Young could do this already.  Kid can rebound.

My only thought is if you have 2-3 of these types of centers; it’ll allow the team to still play up tempo but just sub out the interchangeable 5’s w/o a drop off in talent.

I’m not saying this option isn’t better than trying to more athletic rim protecting 5’s but I’m still ok with this if the staff know what they’re doing. Beside one 5 doesn’t cost us until 21-22 & he’ll still have more experience at the 5 than an incoming frosh at that same time.

I just don’t see the doom & gloom people imply this to be.

[saints14]

Apr 23, 2020 9:48:11 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Apr 23, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5 SaintMisbehavin said:

He's leaving the most beautiful campus in the continental United States, betting on himself to come across the country to spend his winters in Upstate NY and prove his worth.

It's either a glaring lack of alternative options, or he's hungry to prove himself and will compete for PT once he's eligible. I hope it's the latter.

Honestly, I think he's probably a capable big man.  I think he's probably a lot like Young judging by his high school stats.

The question is simply, 'does having 2 or 3 'Young' types fit the system?

It's not like Rossiter was some gazelle out there either.  He played under Fran in a similar system.

For these guys to succeed...literally all they'd need to do is rebound and score around the rim.  It's just that this sort of caps Siena's interior upside.  You're not going to have a pick and pop center who is quick to the rim off the pick and roll...and you're not going to have a dynamic rim protector.

You're basically betting entirely on their ability to move bodies around and rebound.  That can work, especially with the types of 4 men we have, but it's not particularly versatile or exciting.

Kyle Young could do this already.  Kid can rebound.

I think Young has some more defensive upside than just rebounding. His STOCKS per 40 minutes were already very good, especially as the year went on. Seemed like he slimmed down near the end of the season and was ok at defending the perimeter when switched on a guard. He was GREAT defensively against Marist, if that's a preview of what he can provide next season and beyond we might not have anything to worry about at the position.

His big area of improvement is offensive efficiency, TS% below 50 isn't going to cut it for a non-passing, non-shooting big man.

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Apr 23, 2020 9:58:44 GMT -5 IndianSaint said:

Apr 23, 2020 9:48:11 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Honestly, I think he's probably a capable big man.  I think he's probably a lot like Young judging by his high school stats.

The question is simply, 'does having 2 or 3 'Young' types fit the system?

It's not like Rossiter was some gazelle out there either.  He played under Fran in a similar system.

For these guys to succeed...literally all they'd need to do is rebound and score around the rim.  It's just that this sort of caps Siena's interior upside.  You're not going to have a pick and pop center who is quick to the rim off the pick and roll...and you're not going to have a dynamic rim protector.

You're basically betting entirely on their ability to move bodies around and rebound.  That can work, especially with the types of 4 men we have, but it's not particularly versatile or exciting.

Kyle Young could do this already.  Kid can rebound.

My only thought is if you have 2-3 of these types of centers; it’ll allow the team to still play up tempo but just sub out the interchangeable 5’s w/o a drop off in talent.

I’m not saying this option isn’t better than trying to more athletic rim protecting 5’s but I’m still ok with this if the staff know what they’re doing. Beside one 5 doesn’t cost us until 21-22 & he’ll still have more experience at the 5 than an incoming frosh at that same time.

I just don’t see the doom & gloom people imply this to be.

If I'm honest, I sort of see Siena going with Golson and BK long term down the line.  Carm did another interview and talked about all 4 signed new guys.  He says BK is 6-8 1/2 now.  He seems to be all the things you'd want in an all-around MAAC center skill wise.  He seems like he can shoot some, drive, handle, hop, skip, pivot, and finish athletically inside.  He seems to have some shotblocking timing and perhaps could develop into a decent rebounder/defender with added strength.  Carm also confirmed what I suspected about the league BK plays in.... it has no shot clock.  That's why his stats are lower.  His team prided themselves on defense so he also has that mindset already.  He could be a big part of the future at center.  And Golson, while undersized, could be a lot of the same things.  Tate, Golson, BK, and Young might already be enough....at least for a year down the road when BK is 15 lbs of muscle stronger.

Carm also talked about playing Camper/Tate/Golson together some at the 3, 4, 5  THIS year.  

soundcloud.com/user-890738384/carmenmaciariello

I personally disagree with giving up that much shooting but that seems to be in Carm's thought process.  However, he keeps talking about all the things that Aidan Carpenter can do well...which he literally mentioned almost every single aspect of the game of basketball in this particular interview and that he could play at the 1,2, and yes HJ...the 3.   I think it eventually morphs into a 'can't keep him off the floor' type situation for Carpenter and gets in the way of that Camper/Tate/Golson idea.  

Pickett/Carey/Carpenter as a threesome could simply just be too dynamic to not play for 30+ mins a game.  Carpenter is potentially a legit ROY candidate if he gets the minutes.  

So for the next 2 years...if Pickett and Carey hang around...I just don't see anyone not named those three playing the 1-3.  That means playing small and versatile will continue to be on the table.

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Apr 23, 2020 10:30:37 GMT -5 saints14 said:

Apr 23, 2020 9:48:11 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Honestly, I think he's probably a capable big man.  I think he's probably a lot like Young judging by his high school stats.

The question is simply, 'does having 2 or 3 'Young' types fit the system?

It's not like Rossiter was some gazelle out there either.  He played under Fran in a similar system.

For these guys to succeed...literally all they'd need to do is rebound and score around the rim.  It's just that this sort of caps Siena's interior upside.  You're not going to have a pick and pop center who is quick to the rim off the pick and roll...and you're not going to have a dynamic rim protector.

You're basically betting entirely on their ability to move bodies around and rebound.  That can work, especially with the types of 4 men we have, but it's not particularly versatile or exciting.

Kyle Young could do this already.  Kid can rebound.

I think Young has some more defensive upside than just rebounding. His STOCKS per 40 minutes were already very good, especially as the year went on. Seemed like he slimmed down near the end of the season and was ok at defending the perimeter when switched on a guard. He was GREAT defensively against Marist, if that's a preview of what he can provide next season and beyond we might not have anything to worry about at the position.

His big area of improvement is offensive efficiency, TS% below 50 isn't going to cut it for a non-passing, non-shooting big man.

Kyle Young will block more shots than Fisher or Burns....but that's pretty easy.  He will/would be an upgrade on the boards and in shotblocking over Burns.  As you say, it's the offensive efficiency and versatility that simply won't compare.  It will be a trade-off.  

Personally, I think Carpenter and more depth could help offset the offensive drop off at center.  We played Matt Hein at guard for 20 mins per game and replace that with Carpenter.  The difference between the two will be dramatic.

It could be like replacing a Ford Taurus with a Ferrari.  He could change everything...even if he's only as good as Carey.

[hoopjunkie]

Apr 23, 2020 10:36:48 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Apr 23, 2020 9:58:44 GMT -5 IndianSaint said:

My only thought is if you have 2-3 of these types of centers; it’ll allow the team to still play up tempo but just sub out the interchangeable 5’s w/o a drop off in talent.

I’m not saying this option isn’t better than trying to more athletic rim protecting 5’s but I’m still ok with this if the staff know what they’re doing. Beside one 5 doesn’t cost us until 21-22 & he’ll still have more experience at the 5 than an incoming frosh at that same time.

I just don’t see the doom & gloom people imply this to be.

If I'm honest, I sort of see Siena going with Golson and BK long term down the line.  Carm did another interview and talked about all 4 signed new guys.  He says BK is 6-8 1/2 now.  He seems to be all the things you'd want in an all-around MAAC center skill wise.  He seems like he can shoot some, drive, handle, hop, skip, pivot, and finish athletically inside.  He seems to have some shotblocking timing and perhaps could develop into a decent rebounder/defender with added strength.  Carm also confirmed what I suspected about the league BK plays in.... it has no shot clock.  That's why his stats are lower.  His team prided themselves on defense so he also has that mindset already.  He could be a big part of the future at center.  And Golson, while undersized, could be a lot of the same things.  Tate, Golson, BK, and Young might already be enough....at least for a year down the road when BK is 15 lbs of muscle stronger.

Carm also talked about playing Camper/Tate/Golson together some at the 3, 4, 5  THIS year.  

soundcloud.com/user-890738384/carmenmaciariello

I personally disagree with giving up that much shooting but that seems to be in Carm's thought process.  However, he keeps talking about all the things that Aidan Carpenter can do well...which he literally mentioned almost every single aspect of the game of basketball and that he could play at the 1,2, and yes HJ...the 3.   I think it eventually morphs into a 'can't keep him off the floor' type situation for Carpenter and gets in the way of that Camper/Tate/Golson idea.  

Pickett/Carey/Carpenter as a threesome could simply just be too dynamic to not play for 30+ mins a game.  Carpenter is probably a legit ROY candidate.  

So for the next 2 years...if Pickett and Carey hang around...I just don't see anyone not named those three playing the 1-3.  That means playing small and versatile will continue to be on the table.

I never said we cant play 3 guards with AC at the "3" I told you Manny would play some 3 this year, in a Camper/Tate/Molson small lineup, and you said no.

I think Carpenter gets 20-25 min a game. He'll get 5-6 minutes at the 1, 7-9 at the 2 and 7-9 at the 3.

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Apr 23, 2020 11:10:12 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Apr 23, 2020 10:36:48 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

If I'm honest, I sort of see Siena going with Golson and BK long term down the line.  Carm did another interview and talked about all 4 signed new guys.  He says BK is 6-8 1/2 now.  He seems to be all the things you'd want in an all-around MAAC center skill wise.  He seems like he can shoot some, drive, handle, hop, skip, pivot, and finish athletically inside.  He seems to have some shotblocking timing and perhaps could develop into a decent rebounder/defender with added strength.  Carm also confirmed what I suspected about the league BK plays in.... it has no shot clock.  That's why his stats are lower.  His team prided themselves on defense so he also has that mindset already.  He could be a big part of the future at center.  And Golson, while undersized, could be a lot of the same things.  Tate, Golson, BK, and Young might already be enough....at least for a year down the road when BK is 15 lbs of muscle stronger.

Carm also talked about playing Camper/Tate/Golson together some at the 3, 4, 5  THIS year.  

soundcloud.com/user-890738384/carmenmaciariello

I personally disagree with giving up that much shooting but that seems to be in Carm's thought process.  However, he keeps talking about all the things that Aidan Carpenter can do well...which he literally mentioned almost every single aspect of the game of basketball and that he could play at the 1,2, and yes HJ...the 3.   I think it eventually morphs into a 'can't keep him off the floor' type situation for Carpenter and gets in the way of that Camper/Tate/Golson idea.  

Pickett/Carey/Carpenter as a threesome could simply just be too dynamic to not play for 30+ mins a game.  Carpenter is probably a legit ROY candidate.  

So for the next 2 years...if Pickett and Carey hang around...I just don't see anyone not named those three playing the 1-3.  That means playing small and versatile will continue to be on the table.

I never said we cant play 3 guards with AC at the "3" I told you Manny would play some 3 this year, in a Camper/Tate/Molson small lineup, and you said no.

I think Carpenter gets 20-25 min a game. He'll get 5-6 minutes at the 1, 7-9 at the 2 and 7-9 at the 3.

HJ, I heard it from Carm's mouth and I still don't think it will happen much. 

We know Tate and Camper can play the SF but it doesn't make that much sense to give up the shooting.  I'm simply saying that Carpenter could be so good that he makes that entire thought process moot.  And that's without even considering King's shooting as well...which was pretty much lights out (41.3%) in MAAC play.

Last year, the staff and you said that Friday and Burns would be playing a lot together...and it rarely happened.  I'm simply putting this scenario into the same category that I did with that one.  I'm mostly brushing it off.  Carpenter literally has the potential to be a guard without a weakness.

If Carpenter truly can defend 94ft as Carm says...there's probably little reason for him to be on the bench for significant stretches.  He, Carey, and King should also be the 3 best FT shooters on the team.  The only reason to even play Harris over them at the three would be defense.  If Carpenter is a plus defender, the reason for Harris to be at the SF would also deteriorate as well...as Carpenter should also be good in transition...seeing as how (per Carm) he's the quickest with the ball in his hands on the team.

The potential to blow teams away with Pickett/Carey/Carpenter/Camper at the 1-4 could just be too much to resist.

[hoopjunkie]

Apr 23, 2020 11:15:21 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Apr 23, 2020 11:10:12 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

I never said we cant play 3 guards with AC at the "3" I told you Manny would play some 3 this year, in a Camper/Tate/Molson small lineup, and you said no.

I think Carpenter gets 20-25 min a game. He'll get 5-6 minutes at the 1, 7-9 at the 2 and 7-9 at the 3.

Last year, the staff and you said that Friday and Burns would be playing a lot together...and it rarely happened.  I'm simply putting this scenario into the same category that I did with that one.  I'm brushing it off.

Not true. All i said about that was when we play a couple teams in the MAAC (Manhattan and Rider especially), the staff shouldnt be afraid to play Burns and Friday together because of what the opponent has on the floor.

Rider had Vaughn at the 3, and Carm put Manny on him. Fine, but now, Carey ended up on Scott and it was a horrible matchup for us. Burns was too small for Marshall, and he hated it when Sammy guarded him.

Its very rare when a MAAC team has 2 real big kids upfront. I felt Burns could handle the few minutes at the 4 if need be. Playing Golson at the 5, we give uo some size and probably rebounding, so having Manny at the 3, instead of Harris/Carpenter, we maintain our rebounding advantage while yes, losing a little on the perimeter shooting.

Lets see your guy shoot over 40% from 3, and we can talk about how much we lose with him on the bench. I think 20-25 min a game is very fair for him. You must have him as a Pickett-like 33+ min a game?

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Apr 23, 2020 11:40:06 GMT -5 hoopjunkie said:

Apr 23, 2020 11:15:21 GMT -5 @saintkk said:

Last year, the staff and you said that Friday and Burns would be playing a lot together...and it rarely happened.  I'm simply putting this scenario into the same category that I did with that one.  I'm brushing it off.

Not true. All i said about that was when we play a couple teams in the MAAC (Manhattan and Rider especially), the staff shouldnt be afraid to play Burns and Friday together because of what the opponent has on the floor.

Rider had Vaughn at the 3, and Carm put Manny on him. Fine, but now, Carey ended up on Scott and it was a horrible matchup for us. Burns was too small for Marshall, and he hated it when Sammy guarded him.

Its very rare when a MAAC team has 2 real big kids upfront. I felt Burns could handle the few minutes at the 4 if need be. Playing Golson at the 5, we give uo some size and probably rebounding, so having Manny at the 3, instead of Harris/Carpenter, we maintain our rebounding advantage while yes, losing a little on the perimeter shooting.

Lets see your guy shoot over 40% from 3, and we can talk about how much we lose with him on the bench. I think 20-25 min a game is very fair for him. You must have him as a Pickett-like 33+ min a game?

Carpenter doesn't have to shoot 40% from three to be the better option. Harris and Tate are both sub 30% 3pt shooters and sub 55% FT shooters so far in their careers.  Even 33% could be a lot better.

I expect Carpenter could shoot 35% from 3 this year. The difference is...I expect him to potentially have the highest PPS of anyone who will play the 1-3 because I think he has a higher FT rate compared anyone else in our back court (if his AAU stats are an indication). Carpenter is 6-5 and attacks and finishes with both hands and is probably going to shoot around 80% from the FT line.
  
It's not just about the 3's....he might even be better than them at the 2's and drawing the fouls....in addition to ballhandling, passing, and pressuring the ball.

Also, Burns only averaged 6.7 rebs per 30 mins this year. That's far from killing it on the boards in this league. Tate averaged 5 per 30 playing the SF in the A-10 so he could probably replicate the 6.7 at center in the MAAC. And Golson looks strong, active, and athletic enough to average 7 per 30 in the MAAC. He averaged 12+ rebs per game this year in HS.  And, of course, Young averages nearly 10 rebs per 30 already.

You probably won't even give up much, if any, rebounding....especially given the big man losses within the MAAC. Plus, with Carpenter over Hein (Siena's worst rebounder next to King) and a year of maturity for the rest of the guards...you probably could make up at least a rebound per game from the back court as well.

Basically, I think even with Carpenter effectively at the 3....Siena could IMPROVE on the boards over last year....making the need to sacrifice shooting for rebounding superfluous most nights.  Camper's elite rebounding makes the need for a plus rebounding center mostly unnecessary.  Even an 'ok' rebounding center will do and we already have potentially better than 'ok' in Kyle Young.