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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 11:03:02 GMT -5
what is Golson's current height? I thought someone said he had grown an inch or two Golson is alternatively listed at 6'6 or 6'7 depending on where you look. The hope is since he was probably 17 or 18 the last time he was measured that he grows another inch or 2 like Camper did. It's the 7ft wingspan and athleticism he has that helps make up for some of that lack of height though. Alex Franklin had a 6-10 wingspan and was 6-4.5. Anosike's was 6-8 with a 7-3.5 wingspan. So he's in the middle. If he's 6-7 now, perhaps he's up to a 7-1 wingspan as well.
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Post by Tony on Apr 10, 2020 11:16:54 GMT -5
Keep something in mind Ndefo is listed at 6'7" ( no way) is probably about 6"6"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 11:24:21 GMT -5
Keep something in mind Ndefo is listed at 6'7" ( no way) is probably about 6"6" Very true...although Ndefo also played with Woods, the Drames, and Majak who were all taller. But I've yet to see a video of Golson blocking a shot. So for him to be that undersized defensive stud like Rhamel Brown or KC Ndefo...first thing would have to come first. I know he'll have the athleticism to do it but not sure about the defensive instincts yet. Him being great on D would be a HUGE boon to this team. However, I've yet to hear his name even associated with the word 'block'. I'm happy with him developing into a Haddix or even just a Bundu.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 10, 2020 13:02:39 GMT -5
The blocked shot is the single most overrated stat, followed by steals. Give me a center who can rebound, defend his spot, take up space in the lane and can finish at the rim. Guys who focus on blocks and steals are often out of position, allowing open shots and easy offensive rebounding opportunities.
Young appears to be a viable maac level center. Depth would be great but if not available, I am all for the saints going small when young is on the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 13:17:46 GMT -5
The blocked shot is the single most overrated stat, followed by steals. Give me a center who can rebound, defend his spot, take up space in the lane and can finish at the rim. Guys who focus on blocks and steals are often out of position, allowing open shots and easy offensive rebounding opportunities. Young appears to be a viable maac level center. Depth would be great but if not available, I am all for the saints going small when young is on the bench. No such thing as an overrated stat. The FG% on a shot that's blocked is next to nil and a shot that's never taken because of a steal can never go in. Can you win without these things? YES. It just means you have to be better at other things. Everything you do on the court affects either # of possessions or shooting efficiency. You're just trying to optimize the best combination of the two with the personnel you have. To downplay the blocked shot or the steal is folly. There is a reason Siena's D was ranked 236th and SPU's was ranked 80th.
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Post by MTS on Apr 10, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -5
The blocked shot is the single most overrated stat, followed by steals. Give me a center who can rebound, defend his spot, take up space in the lane and can finish at the rim. Guys who focus on blocks and steals are often out of position, allowing open shots and easy offensive rebounding opportunities. Young appears to be a viable maac level center. Depth would be great but if not available, I am all for the saints going small when young is on the bench. No such thing as an overrated stat. The FG% on a shot that's blocked is next to nil and a shot that's never taken because of a steal can never go in. Can you win without these things? YES. It just means you have to be better at other things. Everything you do on the court affects either # of possessions or shooting efficiency. You're just trying to optimize the best combination of the two with the personnel you have. To downplay the blocked shot or the steal is folly. There is a reason Siena's D was ranked 236th and SPU's was ranked 80th. Let's check where Fran's teams were on Offense/Defense/Tempo for KenPom to see where we have to get to to be a dominate team - Siena 2005-06: Overall: 132 Offense: 133 Defense: 148 Tempo: 99 2006-07: Overall: 149 Offense: 124 Defense: 189 Tempo: 67 2007-08: Overall: 93 Offense: 86 Defense: 107 Tempo: 86 2008-09: Overall: 67 Offense: 63 Defense 78 Tempo: 16 2009-10: Overall 59 Offense: 69 Defense 56 Tempo: 43 2015-16: Overall 128 Offense: 113 Defense 168 Tempo: 82 (best season before this year since 09-10) 2019-20: Overall 145 Offense: 87 Defense 236 Tempo: 261 I was surprised we were only 261 in tempo I guess going from 353 it felt a lot faster. I think Carm wants to get it around 150. Don't know if he'll ever be as fast as Fran because he doesn't have a jet like Ronald Moore. If Siena can keep the offense where it is (maybe get it to 70-75) and get the offense to around 150 we could easily be a top 80-100 team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 14:03:14 GMT -5
No such thing as an overrated stat. The FG% on a shot that's blocked is next to nil and a shot that's never taken because of a steal can never go in. Can you win without these things? YES. It just means you have to be better at other things. Everything you do on the court affects either # of possessions or shooting efficiency. You're just trying to optimize the best combination of the two with the personnel you have. To downplay the blocked shot or the steal is folly. There is a reason Siena's D was ranked 236th and SPU's was ranked 80th. Let's check where Fran's teams were on Offense/Defense/Tempo for KenPom to see where we have to get to to be a dominate team - Siena 2005-06: Overall: 132 Offense: 133 Defense: 148 Tempo: 99 2006-07: Overall: 149 Offense: 124 Defense: 189 Tempo: 67 2007-08: Overall: 93 Offense: 86 Defense: 107 Tempo: 86 2008-09: Overall: 67 Offense: 63 Defense 78 Tempo: 16 2009-10: Overall 59 Offense: 69 Defense 56 Tempo: 43 2015-16: Overall 128 Offense: 113 Defense 168 Tempo: 82 (best season before this year since 09-10) 2019-20: Overall 145 Offense: 87 Defense 236 Tempo: 261 I was surprised we were only 261 in tempo I guess going from 353 it felt a lot faster. I think Carm wants to get it around 150. Don't know if he'll ever be as fast as Fran because he doesn't have a jet like Ronald Moore. If Siena can keep the offense where it is (maybe get it to 70-75) and get the offense to around 150 we could easily be a top 80-100 team. Fran was about STEALS. That's how he did it on defense. Siena had 190/160 steals and 93/92 blks these past 2 years, respectively. Fran's top 4 teams (with Moore/Franklin etc) averaged 282 steals and 120 blks. That's averaging over 100 more steals per year. They simply got more possessions than this team is getting. That's why their defense was rated so high. They were taking 3 shots per game MORE than this year's Siena team from opponents via steals alone. Add an add'l block per game to that too. You want to get to that level.....Siena simply needs to take more possessions from the other team... St. Peters had 223 stls and 138 blks this year. Shotblocking also 'alters' shots and makes opponents miss more as well....so it affects FG%. Siena likely needs to get over the 200 steal and 100 blk barriers to get into the top 100 teams...or some combo thereof that leads to more possessions.. They could also maybe do a little more via rebounding...but that would be tough. Siena rebounded really well this year. They can cut down on TOs by going smaller...but they'll probably need the bonus benefit of that just to offset Burn's efficiency...just to maintain what they have on offense. Because of that, I think their upside will come down to defense and how they do in breaking the 200/100 levels....which in turn should help FG% defense as well. Siena's main defensive weakneses were TURNOVER% (279th), BLOCK% (200th), and FT% defense (327th). The last one is a fluke but the others weren't. Siena had a 2pt defense of 149th EVEN without a shotblocker....it's tough to improve on that without one. They were in the top 121 in every other defensive category. Like it or not, these things matter....and if Siena wants a better defensive ranking...they'll have to force more TOs and/or contest more shots. Their D is simply weak on taking possessions. They are just allowing too many shots right now.
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Post by indian82 on Apr 10, 2020 14:56:27 GMT -5
I'm really torn on what to do with this team at center. I've wanted a shotblocker for god knows how long. You are never going to find a shotblocker who plays offense like Burns at this level though. There will be a tradeoff. Any player you bring in now could sort upset the chemistry...so he better be worth it. I'm sort of intrigued by being versatile at the center with Tate, Young, BK, and Golson. I feel like we have a lot of things with that group....but still no real shotblocker. I guess, unless you upgrade over Young (a guy who can rebound as well or better) who can still score or get a shotbocker which we don't have...you're probably not really adding something we don't already have. 3 of those guys are adaptable and athletic enough in the lane to do well in the Pickett and Roll. And Young has maybe not the athleticism but has the IQ and now experience for it....plus he brings rebounding and a tough style. I don't know. I kinda want to see what this crew can do. Adding more takes away their minutes....but could upgrade...so it's kind of a conundrum. Playing small at the 5 but still being able to rebound with 5 big athletic guards would give Siena a look that no other team will have. And you'd have different looks to go with that. It's kind of intriguing in its own right. Tate's best position in in the MAAC is probably the 4 or 5. If Camper's the 4 (he's still more athletic) and Carpenter is great.....then that only leaves one position for Tate. But, like HJ said, if Young got hurt....you'd be really hurting for a true center....and you want the depth. I tend to agree about going with those 4 unless somebody comes along that you can't refuse. But, as you say, tough to find that at the 5. Of those 4, I assume you think Young and Tate will take most of the mins at the 5?
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Post by mike60 on Apr 10, 2020 15:17:59 GMT -5
bUT WASN'T sIENA'S DEFENSE MUCH BETTER IN THE LAST 15 GAMES THAN IN THE FIRST 15? (Sorry for the caps).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 15:42:05 GMT -5
bUT WASN'T sIENA'S DEFENSE MUCH BETTER IN THE LAST 15 GAMES THAN IN THE FIRST 15? (Sorry for the caps). Not when it comes to forcing TOs and blocking shots. 10th In MAAC play in forcing TOs. 8th in blk% and 8th in 2pt D. Siena’s primary defensive strengths were not fouling (2nd) and 3 pt D (1st). The defensive rebounding actually worsened in MAAC play for some reason....however that could be partly because of the good offensive rebounding within the MAAC.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 10, 2020 16:46:43 GMT -5
bUT WASN'T sIENA'S DEFENSE MUCH BETTER IN THE LAST 15 GAMES THAN IN THE FIRST 15? (Sorry for the caps). Not when it comes to forcing TOs and blocking shots. 10th In MAAC play in forcing TOs. 8th in blk% and 8th in 2pt D. Siena’s primary defensive strengths were not fouling (2nd) and 3 pt D (1st). The defensive rebounding actually worsened in MAAC play for some reason....however that could be partly because of the good offensive rebounding within the MAAC. The 3-point D and lack of fouling is due to our switchability... it's something that Carm really prides himself on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 18:01:54 GMT -5
Not when it comes to forcing TOs and blocking shots. 10th In MAAC play in forcing TOs. 8th in blk% and 8th in 2pt D. Siena’s primary defensive strengths were not fouling (2nd) and 3 pt D (1st). The defensive rebounding actually worsened in MAAC play for some reason....however that could be partly because of the good offensive rebounding within the MAAC. The 3-point D and lack of fouling is due to our switchability... it's something that Carm really prides himself on. Yeah, I know. My only worry with regard to that is teams shot just 30.8% against us in MAAC play. That's really good. Almost too good to repeat. I'd worry more if we weren't going to be even more athletic next year....but even still....it was a really good number. Need to force more TOs and have better 2pt D in order to improve the D. Only way to do it...most other things were good already.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 10, 2020 19:25:25 GMT -5
The 3-point D and lack of fouling is due to our switchability... it's something that Carm really prides himself on. Yeah, I know. My only worry with regard to that is teams shot just 30.8% against us in MAAC play. That's really good. Almost too good to repeat. I'd worry more if we weren't going to be even more athletic next year....but even still....it was a really good number. Need to force more TOs and have better 2pt D in order to improve the D. Only way to do it...most other things were good already. I was worried about that last year... and we went from 29.5% to 30.8% conceded in conference games.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 11, 2020 0:30:22 GMT -5
Last thought on this. We were very fortunate when Young matured quicker than we thought and we went to MAAC war with a 3-headed monster at center with 15 fouls to give. Hell even 20 if you include the serviceable Denzel. Trying to repeat as MAAC champs, we def need to replace 5 of the 10 fouls we lost at the center position. And it has to be a man. No 19 yo’s. A JC or most preferred, a 5th year grad guy. You wanna play small and stick Golson or Tate at the 5, go ahead, but I still want that veteran 6’9” guy on the bench when we run into legit big guys on our schedule.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 11, 2020 13:28:20 GMT -5
Michigan State 6'10 center Braden Burke, didn't get any court time in games, but three year practicing against NBA caliber teammates and coached by Tom Izzo might be worth a look. Other mid majors are interested. His twitter has a couple of minutes of him in practice and he certainly looks like he could be a serviceable MAAC player. Opinions?
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