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Post by Tony on Apr 9, 2020 14:52:05 GMT -5
I dont want to fill up the 2020 recruiting thread with this question, looking for some input... I'm not convinced we need another big- but I'm the first to say - I'm not sure..LOL I just dont have the answers on some questions, Carm rave's about Aidan every time he talks about him,is Aidan good enough for 25 min+ a game? Is Dana a 25 to 30 min a game MAAC guy? If the answer to those questions is yes- how do we get there if we get another big? If you split the 5 between Young and a newcomer-- where do you play Dana? Does Golson ever get into a game next year? Some heavy duty implications if you sign a 25/30 min a game big man. Do you move Manny out of the 4 slot- he was best PF in conference last season, if you move him to 3 for any extended time, how do you play Gary, Aidan any significant min, you know Jalen and Don are going to gobble up 60/65 min a game. Many many D1 teams are going smaller quicker position less basketball- the days of needing a true big man are over. But I do think we need some insurance -- what are your thoughts
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 9, 2020 15:17:06 GMT -5
I think we need another center, even if he winds up not being needed. Not only do we need some insurance for Young (I don't want Denzel to be the only other option if there's an injury), but I also think it's important to add skills that aren't on the roster.
My ideal big would be an athletic rim protector who could catch and finish. The best avenue for that might be JUCO.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 15:19:13 GMT -5
This is a partial list of available D1 big men. There are dozens more available in the transfer portal. Some are immediately eligible, some are not. Do I know whether any of them would come to Siena or not? No. But what I do know is that I would reach out to every single one before dipping into the D3 ranks. How you got it in your head that there are no D1 big men available, I haven't a clue. Christopher Agbo Pietro Agostini Chukwuebuka Akabueze Theo Akwuba Andre Allen Kyle Arrington Jordan Bell Noah Bigirumwami Gavin Bizeau Salif Boudie Darnell Brodie Justin Brown Gabe Bryant Justin Brown Sy Chatman Jordan Cintron Evan Cole Carlos Curry Harrison Curry Elton Datcher Chandler Davis Jarvis Doles Jakub Dombek David Erebor Tristan Forsyth Cyriaque Foucart Jesse 'Bubba' Furlong Gorjok Gak Matt Haarms Patrick Harding Raymond Hawkins Mikey Henn Darius Hicks Oton Janković James Karnik A lot of these guys are sit-out transfers. Also, A kid who doesn't do anything at another comparable D1 is not overly interesting to me. Staff will watch film, evaluate the best available, and leave no stone unturned. D2, D3, JUCO, prep all are options. Burns didn't do anything at his prior stop. So I wouldn't go by just that. I know some of those guys are not immediately eligible and acknowledged as such. But enough are that it's worth a looksee before we start offering D3 dudes.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 9, 2020 15:45:06 GMT -5
How did Sienafan get a law degree? Burns didn't go to a comparable school, he was in the ACC at the highest level of hoop practicing against some really good players. Not in any way comparable.
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Post by MTS on Apr 9, 2020 15:48:03 GMT -5
If you can get someone like Griffin for sure you take it....someone that can help you not only get to the NCAA tournament but win there. A role guy for depth (like Matt Hein was) is fine. Actually the guy "in the middle" will be interesting like Sischo not a game changer but will command many minutes. Then you might have a logjam. As it stands now I don't believe we need a stud just more depth. If you can somehow get a big time big man awesome but they're very hard to come by. But another guy for insurance is fine. Harley Fuller is following on twitter - www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4593848/kyle-arringtondscfalcons.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/makuoi_adong_x6ay
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 9, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -5
Chad Venning is still available and he visited back when JC was still here.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 9, 2020 15:55:21 GMT -5
How did Sienafan get a law degree? Burns didn't go to a comparable school, he was in the ACC at the highest level of hoop practicing against some really good players. Not in any way comparable. And never really healthy. At 100% he was an ACC player.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 15:56:18 GMT -5
How did Sienafan get a law degree? Burns didn't go to a comparable school, he was in the ACC at the highest level of hoop practicing against some really good players. Not in any way comparable. I got a law degree because I got good grades in school and am a hard worker. With that said, Burns didn't go to a comparable school, but he's a comparable player to what schools at this level typically get - it's not like he was a blue chip recruit out of high school (he was just a 3 star). There's no way of knowing if he could play at that level because he rarely got the chance to show what he could do. Clearly his coach at ND misjudged him. What we are looking for is a guy with some talent who didn't get to play because the coach messed up. That's what we need to be looking for - whether that person comes from the NEC or the SEC. Anyone who put up big numbers in their last stop isn't coming here, they're going higher. We're looking for the hidden gems. Use a little common sense and you can grasp where I'm coming from.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2020 16:00:15 GMT -5
I’m with Tony in that I’m not sure if we need another big. It would appear that we are LOADED with 4’s, with the question being how many can effectively slide to the 5. I really don’t know.
In any case, our plus sized 4’s should be able to pose matchup problems for many MAAC centers. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2020 16:02:59 GMT -5
How did Sienafan get a law degree? Burns didn't go to a comparable school, he was in the ACC at the highest level of hoop practicing against some really good players. Not in any way comparable. I got a law degree because I got good grades in school and am a hard worker. With that said, Burns didn't go to a comparable school, but he's a comparable player to what schools at this level typically get - it's not like he was a blue chip recruit out of high school (he was just a 3 star). There's no way of knowing if he could play at that level because he rarely got the chance to show what he could do. Clearly his coach at ND misjudged him. What we are looking for is a guy with some talent who didn't get to play because the coach messed up. That's what we need to be looking for - whether that person comes from the NEC or the SEC. Anyone who put up big numbers in their last stop isn't coming here, they're going higher. We're looking for the hidden gems. Use a little common sense and you can grasp where I'm coming from. I disagree that Burns represents what this level typically gets. This level almost NEVER gets players of his size/skill set.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 16:08:34 GMT -5
I got a law degree because I got good grades in school and am a hard worker. With that said, Burns didn't go to a comparable school, but he's a comparable player to what schools at this level typically get - it's not like he was a blue chip recruit out of high school (he was just a 3 star). There's no way of knowing if he could play at that level because he rarely got the chance to show what he could do. Clearly his coach at ND misjudged him. What we are looking for is a guy with some talent who didn't get to play because the coach messed up. That's what we need to be looking for - whether that person comes from the NEC or the SEC. Anyone who put up big numbers in their last stop isn't coming here, they're going higher. We're looking for the hidden gems. Use a little common sense and you can grasp where I'm coming from. I disagree that Burns represents what this level typically gets. This level almost NEVER gets players of his size/skill set. I think guys such as Javion Ogunyemi, Brett Bisping, and Ryan Rossiter are guys who were roughly equivalent to Burns in terms of impact at the same point in their career in its latter stages. Rossiter was a POY in a stronger MAAC than the one Burns was 2nd team in.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 16:13:35 GMT -5
If the next season began today, Siena would have just two scholarship players over 6'7 - and one of them will be a freshmen who is barely over 200 lbs. Suffice it to say, I think we need another 5. Carm played 3 guys 6'8 or taller at the spot last season. I would think he'd like to continue to have that depth there.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 9, 2020 16:18:30 GMT -5
How did Sienafan get a law degree? Burns didn't go to a comparable school, he was in the ACC at the highest level of hoop practicing against some really good players. Not in any way comparable. I got a law degree because I got good grades in school and am a hard worker. With that said, Burns didn't go to a comparable school, but he's a comparable player to what schools at this level typically get - it's not like he was a blue chip recruit out of high school (he was just a 3 star). There's no way of knowing if he could play at that level because he rarely got the chance to show what he could do. Clearly his coach at ND misjudged him. What we are looking for is a guy with some talent who didn't get to play because the coach messed up. That's what we need to be looking for - whether that person comes from the NEC or the SEC. Anyone who put up big numbers in their last stop isn't coming here, they're going higher. We're looking for the hidden gems. Use a little common sense and you can grasp where I'm coming from. what are you talking about? Burns had his pick of P5 and Big East type schools.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2020 16:23:41 GMT -5
I disagree that Burns represents what this level typically gets. This level almost NEVER gets players of his size/skill set. I think guys such as Javion Ogunyemi, Brett Bisping, and Ryan Rossiter are guys who were roughly equivalent to Burns in terms of impact at the same point in their career in its latter stages. Rossiter was a POY in a stronger MAAC than the one Burns was 2nd team in. I like all three of those guys, but they do not stack up to Burns from a talent/athleticism standpoint. Especially not as recruits.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 16:31:56 GMT -5
I got a law degree because I got good grades in school and am a hard worker. With that said, Burns didn't go to a comparable school, but he's a comparable player to what schools at this level typically get - it's not like he was a blue chip recruit out of high school (he was just a 3 star). There's no way of knowing if he could play at that level because he rarely got the chance to show what he could do. Clearly his coach at ND misjudged him. What we are looking for is a guy with some talent who didn't get to play because the coach messed up. That's what we need to be looking for - whether that person comes from the NEC or the SEC. Anyone who put up big numbers in their last stop isn't coming here, they're going higher. We're looking for the hidden gems. Use a little common sense and you can grasp where I'm coming from. what are you talking about? Burns had his pick of P5 and Big East type schools. He was a 3 star big man that the big boys will usually take as an end of bench practice player or perhaps a role player - not as a future major contributor. That's why guys like Prince Oduro or former recruit Dima Zdor can get a major offer too. Gary Harris had a choice of high major schools too - you wanna argue he's of a talent level schools like Siena never gets? The big boys don't take only blue chip players. A 3 star big man is their near equivalent of when a school like Siena takes a guy with no other division 1 offers. I think Burns blew up in the MAAC because he was an A-10 level talent at best. I'm not convinced he would have been an all-league level talent in ACC under any circumstances. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. But that's how I see it.
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