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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 16:33:16 GMT -5
I think guys such as Javion Ogunyemi, Brett Bisping, and Ryan Rossiter are guys who were roughly equivalent to Burns in terms of impact at the same point in their career in its latter stages. Rossiter was a POY in a stronger MAAC than the one Burns was 2nd team in. I like all three of those guys, but they do not stack up to Burns from a talent/athleticism standpoint. Especially not as recruits. Those 3 guys all contributed more defensively than Burns did... Burns was just flashier and more athletic...and benefited from the perfect offensive scheme and PG for his strengths.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 16:34:34 GMT -5
I think guys such as Javion Ogunyemi, Brett Bisping, and Ryan Rossiter are guys who were roughly equivalent to Burns in terms of impact at the same point in their career in its latter stages. Rossiter was a POY in a stronger MAAC than the one Burns was 2nd team in. I like all three of those guys, but they do not stack up to Burns from a talent/athleticism standpoint. Especially not as recruits. As recruits, no. Definitely not. I'm talking about where they were at their best by the end of their careers. Rossiter was a POY who could have played in the Big East. I think he at the very least was roughly equivalent to Burns in relative talent level.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2020 16:36:58 GMT -5
I like all three of those guys, but they do not stack up to Burns from a talent/athleticism standpoint. Especially not as recruits. Those 3 guys all contributed more defensively than Burns did... Burns was just flashier and more athletic...and benefited from the perfect offensive scheme and PG for his strengths. Burns was far more offensively efficient and scored at a much higher rate than any of them. Not just flashy.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 16:47:20 GMT -5
Those 3 guys all contributed more defensively than Burns did... Burns was just flashier and more athletic...and benefited from the perfect offensive scheme and PG for his strengths. Burns was far more offensively efficient and scored at a much higher rate than any of them. Not just flashy. You might want to look at the stats again. Burns topped out at 14.4 PPG and 5.8 RPG. Ryan Roositer averaged 18.7 PPG and 13.2 RPG at his peek. JO averaged 15 and 6, and Bisping was 16 and 10 at their respective peaks.
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Post by bigfan on Apr 9, 2020 16:57:35 GMT -5
Burns was far more offensively efficient and scored at a much higher rate than any of them. Not just flashy. You might want to look at the stats again. Burns topped out at 14.4 PPG and 5.8 RPG. Ryan Roositer averaged 18.7 PPG and 13.2 RPG at his peek. JO averaged 15 and 6, and Bisping was 16 and 10 at their respective peaks. I said RATE. Burns 25.7 minutes per game, Rossiter 37.4 minutes per game.
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Post by Tony on Apr 9, 2020 17:06:13 GMT -5
If the next season began today, Siena would have just two scholarship players over 6'7 - and one of them will be a freshmen who is barely over 200 lbs. Suffice it to say, I think we need another 5. Carm played 3 guys 6'8 or taller at the spot last season. I would think he'd like to continue to have that depth there. Only thing I'll say on that-- dont care what the listing say-- saw Dana standing right next to Elijah many many times over course of season after Dana joined us, and he is every bit as tall as Burns
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 17:07:48 GMT -5
You might want to look at the stats again. Burns topped out at 14.4 PPG and 5.8 RPG. Ryan Roositer averaged 18.7 PPG and 13.2 RPG at his peek. JO averaged 15 and 6, and Bisping was 16 and 10 at their respective peaks. I said RATE. Burns 25.7 minutes per game, Rossiter 37.4 minutes per game. In similar minutes he would have at best probably equaled those guys' numbers, not exceeded them. And all were vastly better defenders/rebounders than Burns, so you have to factor that into their comparative impact factor. Like I said, he doesn't exceed any of those guys no matter how you equalize "rate".
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 17:18:54 GMT -5
If the next season began today, Siena would have just two scholarship players over 6'7 - and one of them will be a freshmen who is barely over 200 lbs. Suffice it to say, I think we need another 5. Carm played 3 guys 6'8 or taller at the spot last season. I would think he'd like to continue to have that depth there. Only thing I'll say on that-- dont care what the listing say-- saw Dana standing right next to Elijah many many times over course of season after Dana joined us, and he is every bit as tall as Burns It did appear that way to me too - and yet he is still listed at 6'7. We shall see. He played the 3 at URI - which would be a huge mismatch to his disadvantage in the A-10 with the speed usually found at that position in that league. Maybe that's where their mistake in properly using him lied and he'll blossom at Siena if he's in reality 6'8, 230 and plays the 5. If so, I can live with that without need of another big man. As of now, I don't know how they plan to use him, so to be on the safe side, I'd like to see another big man. Look at it this way - with two to give and a plethora of 6'4 to 6'7 guys at the 1-4. Does anyone think we're going to bring in two more guys at those positions? Two just departed because there's no playing time for them. I just don't see why you would use the newly open scholarships on something you already have a lot of - even if you hold one. They need another shooter and a big man. What else would you use those two scholarships on at this point?
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 9, 2020 17:24:45 GMT -5
what are you talking about? Burns had his pick of P5 and Big East type schools. He was a 3 star big man that the big boys will usually take as an end of bench practice player or perhaps a role player - not as a future major contributor. That's why guys like Prince Oduro or former recruit Dima Zdor can get a major offer too. Gary Harris had a choice of high major schools too - you wanna argue he's of a talent level schools like Siena never gets? The big boys don't take only blue chip players. A 3 star big man is their near equivalent of when a school like Siena takes a guy with no other division 1 offers. I think Burns blew up in the MAAC because he was an A-10 level talent at best. I'm not convinced he would have been an all-league level talent in ACC under any circumstances. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. But that's how I see it. I followed this kid since his sophomore year in HS and followed his recruitment closely. You are just wrong but at least you are consistent across both message boards
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 9, 2020 17:53:33 GMT -5
He was a 3 star big man that the big boys will usually take as an end of bench practice player or perhaps a role player - not as a future major contributor. That's why guys like Prince Oduro or former recruit Dima Zdor can get a major offer too. Gary Harris had a choice of high major schools too - you wanna argue he's of a talent level schools like Siena never gets? The big boys don't take only blue chip players. A 3 star big man is their near equivalent of when a school like Siena takes a guy with no other division 1 offers. I think Burns blew up in the MAAC because he was an A-10 level talent at best. I'm not convinced he would have been an all-league level talent in ACC under any circumstances. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. But that's how I see it. I followed this kid since his sophomore year in HS and followed his recruitment closely. You are just wrong but at least you are consistent across both message boards Which part am I wrong about - that he was a 3 star recruit recruited to the Big 5 where he rotted on the bench competing against 4 and 5 star players for minutes because he was perceived as not good enough? Um, okay.
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Post by billmurray on Apr 9, 2020 17:58:04 GMT -5
Maybe it is time to take this type of argument to a separate thread and use this thread to get updates on actual recruit possibilities.
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Post by psycholojets on Apr 9, 2020 18:10:13 GMT -5
I want a rim protector. There will be minutes for a rim protector.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 9, 2020 20:11:04 GMT -5
Just ask yourself one question: What if Young severely sprained his ankle and was out for 3-4 weeks? Do you like our roster if he’s out for several games? Personally I think opposing teams would have field day on us inside. So count me in as a resounding, YES, we need another inside presence....and I wouldn’t be upset, as much as he frustrates me most of the time, if it ended up being Sammy.
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