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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 18, 2020 19:08:36 GMT -5
I know I mentioned this quite a while ago...................because of our conference and the scheduled out of conference games, we really don't have much room to grow the attendance, meaning not the big #'s.............sure we can hopefully get back to the winning ways when Fran was the coach, and even at that we are at best looking at close to 7K avg (nothing to sneeze at).......but that is probably about it, with games being available on the web & of course TV, it really becomes a decision for those to trek down to the TUC to actually attend a game (ticket purchase, parking, etc....).............certainly a better league and absolutely a "primo" attractive non-league opponent(s) (and not talking UA either, although I would want them back on the schedule anyway) is really the only chance we have to grow exponentially greater than the sell out # they target now.........factor in games during the week and it becomes much harder to grab that other fan, with only the weekend dates to possibly garner that overflow crowd as well...........we are kind of where we are because of well, where we are..............
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Post by gosaints on Feb 18, 2020 19:45:22 GMT -5
The biggest issue was that you had maybe 100 people upstairs and tons of empty uncovered available seats. They could have very easily accommodated any and all of the walkups. This is partially a marketing ploy where you create an artificial demand. It’s served it’s purpose, it created a buzz, a little controversy in the process and has people talking. Perfect storm Sunday, it happens a couple times a year. Wednesday will be back to normal 6k “ish” Want to create a real buzz and a consistent repetitive high demand for tickets? KEEP WINNING, win more on the road, win the MAAC, win the tournament, get a bid (it’s been too long). All the rest will fall in line, everyone loves a winner. 12 - 0 at home is a great start. Future is bright, no reason why we can’t increase local interest in the program. We just need a good consistent product. Ya, you're right we'll probably be back at the 6k ish for Wednesdays game but like you said in your opening comment "they could have easily accommodated any and all walk-ups" and they should have done so. With the scheduling Siena has there's not a lot of opportunity like there was this past Sunday for a Mom and Pop to bring their younger kids to a game. For Siena to turn their cheek and not accommodate them was wrong and will in all probability discourage them from making the treck to the TUC to see a game in the future.
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Post by mike60 on Feb 18, 2020 20:09:47 GMT -5
why didn't they buy their tickets earlier? Didn't some of these people who blog here understand that they couldn't just let as many people in as wanted to come to the game. This wasn't a high school play where they line them up against the wall. What part of the explaination do you not understand that they are limited by insurance to have x number of employees on hand for x number of attendees? Did you want them to go out in the street and see who might want to make a couple of bucks? Where have all these loyal fans (?) been over the last 7 or so years? I do feel bad for the kids,but not the parents.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 18, 2020 20:59:13 GMT -5
why didn't they buy their tickets earlier? Didn't some of these people who blog here understand that they couldn't just let as many people in as wanted to come to the game. This wasn't a high school play where they line them up against the wall. What part of the explaination do you not understand that they are limited by insurance to have x number of employees on hand for x number of attendees? Did you want them to go out in the street and see who might want to make a couple of bucks? Where have all these loyal fans (?) been over the last 7 or so years? I do feel bad for the kids,but not the parents. Mike the College knew well in advance that a sellout was more than likely, they also knew that there was a high probability of a decent walk-up crowd because it was a Sunday with no football and Monday was a holiday for a lot of people. The College is also well aware that there are more than enough unused vacant seats available in the upper deck to accommodate the additional demand. There’s no secret the seats are always empty. This all could have easily been coordinated days before the event. Apparently a decision was made not to. Read what you like into the reason why .... personally I think it’s a marketing ploy and an attempt to draw added interest. If you make people believe there’s a demand, it’s possible pre-sales will increase. Decisions are usually calculated and made with a motive in mind. Unfortunately sometimes they are made by shortsighted people. 7200 is reasonable most of the time given that we average around 6k but every once in awhile you may have an outlier where you might need to adjust. Personally I favor the idea of getting a few more people through the door who may be casual fans or newbies who might have their interest heightened by a positive experience. Don’t you think that outweighs sending prospective customers home pissed off. We’re trying to rebuild here and grow the fanbase. That’s usually done through exposure not artificially limiting access. A positive experience far outweighs a negative one, but hey what do I know. D’Arg has got it under control🤔!
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Post by $cott on Feb 18, 2020 21:10:54 GMT -5
why didn't they buy their tickets earlier? Didn't some of these people who blog here understand that they couldn't just let as many people in as wanted to come to the game. This wasn't a high school play where they line them up against the wall. What part of the explaination do you not understand that they are limited by insurance to have x number of employees on hand for x number of attendees? Did you want them to go out in the street and see who might want to make a couple of bucks? Where have all these loyal fans (?) been over the last 7 or so years? I do feel bad for the kids,but not the parents. A) If you've ever tried to buy tickets online then you've seen the outrageous Ticketmaster fees tacked on. Buying at the box office saves you tons of money. Only one the AD is making rich by pushing people to buy early is Ticketmaster. B) Have you ever had a small kid, and if so, do you remember how hard it is to plan things in advance? Yeah, what a jerk those Dads must be to not overpay online for tickets or make a trek to the box office to get tickets when chances are their little one might be napping or sick by gameday. C) Based on the TU article the TUC could have accommodated everyone, it was the AD's decision.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 18, 2020 22:07:10 GMT -5
As amends first Sunday afternoon game next season should be for each adult one free kid ticket & $5 for each add’l kid ... need to restore image as a family-friendly program ... and no torn away sat box office
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Post by socalsaint on Feb 18, 2020 22:47:53 GMT -5
All in all, a good problem to have.
Not ideal by any means, but I view it as growing pains. "Sold Out" has not been an issue for a long time now and maybe they weren't quite prepared for it.
Let's see if Siena adjusts accordingly.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 18, 2020 22:58:37 GMT -5
Many have been saying that there were many empty seats and walk ups could have been accommodated - how is that? The empty seats were sold, no? They can’t sell them AGAIN.
True that they could have planned ahead and increased capacity for this game, I suppose. But they didn’t, and it was widely publicized that they were nearing a sellout. It was delusional to think you could walk up just before the game and get tickets.
You snooze, you lose.
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Post by $cott on Feb 19, 2020 0:29:24 GMT -5
Many have been saying that there were many empty seats and walk ups could have been accommodated - how is that? The empty seats were sold, no? They can’t sell them AGAIN. True that they could have planned ahead and increased capacity for this game, I suppose. But they didn’t, and it was widely publicized that they were nearing a sellout. It was delusional to think you could walk up just before the game and get tickets. You snooze, you lose. They sell out the lower deck but have the first 7 to 10 rows available in the upper deck all the time for the former upper deck season ticket holders to sit in their old seats cause they didn't want to move downstairs. All those seats upstairs were already open, it would have taken no more than to say "sure, we will take your money" to let those people in.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 19, 2020 1:01:34 GMT -5
It’s not practical to do that. What seat do you sell them? The one that the season ticket holder may want to occupy, or the one that the season ticket holder owns? Can’t do that.
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Post by $cott on Feb 19, 2020 1:13:01 GMT -5
It’s not practical to do that. What seat do you sell them? The one that the season ticket holder may want to occupy, or the one that the season ticket holder owns? Can’t do that. General admission or standing room only, it is done all the time. Or God forbid give them actual seats in the upper deck among the thousands of seats that 75 people are sitting in and they will never even encroach on the people who are already sitting in seats that aren't theirs to begin with!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 5:58:22 GMT -5
It’s not practical to do that. What seat do you sell them? The one that the season ticket holder may want to occupy, or the one that the season ticket holder owns? Can’t do that. General admission or standing room only, it is done all the time. Or God forbid give them actual seats in the upper deck among the thousands of seats that 75 people are sitting in and they will never even encroach on the people who are already sitting in seats that aren't theirs to begin with! Love the general admission/SRO option!!! Siena should sell out the concourse with SRO fans standing in front of the TV's, LOL - where else would you put them? Double headers are problematic since a number of fans, albeit low numbers, come for the women's game and then vamoose when that game ends. Many, many times over the years my group of season ticket holders only wanted to come for the second game and generally arrived near the end of the first game only to find poachers in our seats and the poachers weren't at all happy about being "evicted" by the ticket holder - the only tool available to have them leave was showing the ticket to the seat! You should also recognize the fact that many people do not want to sit in the upper deck at all, FULL STOP. I didn't use my season ticket seat on Sunday because we were with a large group with my granddaughter's Clifton Park basketball team that played at half-time. Had to evict many poachers when the kids and parents (who had temporarily moved to play/take pictures/videos/etc.) returned - in one case the poacher had left a coat in one of the seats. General admission would create a small level of chaos with a corresponding high volume of social media complaints.
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Post by blockhead43 on Feb 19, 2020 8:41:20 GMT -5
Small-minded AD leads to small-minded decisions. This AD hasn't made a good decision since he hired Fran McCaffrey, and many around the program feel he lucked into that hire. I have been away for a while, actually gave up season tickets after having them when the ARC first opened to two years ago when I decided enough was enough and to spend most of the winter in South Florida where I can see mid-major to major D-I hoops on the nights I want to attend a game. I can't believe this AD has been allowed to spend all this time at Siena presiding over programs that are mediocre at best. My hope is the new president forces out all the mediocrity at the school, and starts with the athletic program. The decision to turn away fans from a program that has been terrible for the past decade should be the last straw for the AD. If Gibson cleans house, perhaps the school will again get my donations and money for season tickets. If he decides to keep the status quo, well, we will then know he is not committed to winning, but more than happy to take your revenue for season tickets. I hope Carm turns it around. The women's coach needs to go. She has continually lost her best players to transfer because the players know they will never compete in the NCAA Tournament with Ali at the helm. She, like the AD, is mediocre on her best day and neither is very good on their worst. You’re not happy with the Carm hire? Serious question. I questioned it as well, so I’m not judging. I don’t know how it is going to turn out, but I have to admit, I like what I see with Carm. I’m starting to think Darg found a diamond in the rough. Typically our great players and coaches were gambles.
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Post by blockhead43 on Feb 19, 2020 8:42:58 GMT -5
Small-minded AD leads to small-minded decisions. This AD hasn't made a good decision since he hired Fran McCaffrey, and many around the program feel he lucked into that hire. I have been away for a while, actually gave up season tickets after having them when the ARC first opened to two years ago when I decided enough was enough and to spend most of the winter in South Florida where I can see mid-major to major D-I hoops on the nights I want to attend a game. I can't believe this AD has been allowed to spend all this time at Siena presiding over programs that are mediocre at best. My hope is the new president forces out all the mediocrity at the school, and starts with the athletic program. The decision to turn away fans from a program that has been terrible for the past decade should be the last straw for the AD. If Gibson cleans house, perhaps the school will again get my donations and money for season tickets. If he decides to keep the status quo, well, we will then know he is not committed to winning, but more than happy to take your revenue for season tickets. I hope Carm turns it around. The women's coach needs to go. She has continually lost her best players to transfer because the players know they will never compete in the NCAA Tournament with Ali at the helm. She, like the AD, is mediocre on her best day and neither is very good on their worst. You’re not happy with the Carm hire? Serious question. I questioned it as well, so I’m not judging. I don’t know how it is going to turn out, but I have to admit, I like what I see with Carm. I’m starting to think Darg found a diamond in the rough. Typically our great players and coaches were gambles.
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Post by blockhead43 on Feb 19, 2020 8:59:17 GMT -5
I don't know if Carm will turn out to be a good hire or another of the AD's disasters. I am rooting for him and hope he revives the program from a decade of being dormant. We will all know in two to three years if he was a good hire. The faithful were swinging on Patsos' jock after his first season and we all know how that ended -- another disaster.
You know what will sell tickets and create a buzz -- a consistent winner, something this program hasn't been in a decade. Calling a game a sellout with 7,000 backsides in the seats of a 14,000 seat arena is semantics. If the school wants to allow the AD to create a buzz with a half-empty arena, so be it. If I was in the administration I would want answers from an AD, who is paid quite well for his mediocrity, as to why he is relying on a 'sell-out gimmick' to create a buzz for tickets rather than a winning basketball team. There is a reason why this program has fallen on hard times. It starts at the top.
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