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Post by indian82 on Feb 16, 2020 17:42:44 GMT -5
Time to open it back up to 8,500 if not 10,000 Or at least be able to open up sections at a time, when they are going fast days in advance. I get trying to keep the crowd consolidated ratherthan All over a cavernous arena.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 16, 2020 17:50:53 GMT -5
Time to open it back up to 8,500 if not 10,000 Not sure why when the entire upper deck in the exposed area was completely empty, I counted less 100 people opposite the bench side. Tons of empty seats, still trying to figure out how that is a sell out? Because they have arbitrarily capped sales at 7,146. Obviously the ones that buy the least desirable seats at the last minute move to better seats left by season ticket holders. Also as indian saint said today was a double header so people who came for the first game left before the second one. It wasn't an issue for a long time but we finally have a coach who puts winning at home a premium. Time to use it.... build up interest again. Open it up... start with a section or two next season and see what happens.
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Post by marshotel on Feb 16, 2020 18:02:14 GMT -5
Love the cap on seats and hope they don't change it until they see multiple sell-outs including week night games. Fans need to show up every game for this happen, not once every 5-10 years. Only sellout all year, and I the two remaining home game have over 1000 seats available as of tonight. Until attendance improves the cap should remain where it is.
FYI, they cant just raise an lower the curtains while fans are in their seats, this all needs to be done ahead of time while the arena is empty. People make it sound so simple but TUC staffing , Albany police, safety for the fans are all in play and can't be changed that easily at the drop of hat.
Siena basketball needs the buzz, whether you like or not this is a good thing for the time being.
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Post by Tony on Feb 16, 2020 18:14:04 GMT -5
Love the cap on seats and hope they don't change it until they see multiple sell-outs including week night games. Fans need to show up every game for this happen, not once every 5-10 years. Only sellout all year, and I the two remaining home game have over 1000 seats available as of tonight. Until attendance improves the cap should remain where it is. FYI, they cant just raise an lower the curtains while fans are in their seats, this all needs to be done ahead of time while the arena is empty. People make it sound so simple but TUC staffing , Albany police, safety for the fans are all in play and can't be changed that easily at the drop of hat. Siena basketball needs the buzz, whether you like or not this is a good thing for the time being. Agreed some of the people complaining about the sell out dont have season tickets-- Buy a ticket, next year you will be frozen out several times
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Post by $cott on Feb 16, 2020 18:16:34 GMT -5
I believe the 10 rows in the upper deck are open as part of a compromise so season ticket holders who sat up there and were reassigned to the lower corners could still sit there. No one actually owns seats there and the TUC could have issued general admission seats upstairs to all that they turned away.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 16, 2020 18:30:53 GMT -5
Love the cap on seats and hope they don't change it until they see multiple sell-outs including week night games. Fans need to show up every game for this happen, not once every 5-10 years. Only sellout all year, and I the two remaining home game have over 1000 seats available as of tonight. Until attendance improves the cap should remain where it is. FYI, they cant just raise an lower the curtains while fans are in their seats, this all needs to be done ahead of time while the arena is empty. People make it sound so simple but TUC staffing , Albany police, safety for the fans are all in play and can't be changed that easily at the drop of hat. Siena basketball needs the buzz, whether you like or not this is a good thing for the time being. Agreed some of the people complaining about the sell out dont have season tickets-- Buy a ticket, next year you will be frozen out several times I have a few season tickets so I don’t have a dog in this fight. The only issue I have was that the upper deck was completely devoid of people. There had to 1500 empty seats. How are you turning people away when it’s obvious to everyone inside that the seats aren’t close to being filled? I highly doubt all that empty space upstairs was due to relocating (there’s never anyone up there). I know they allowed a few season ticket holders upstairs that probably sit elsewhere at times but that still doesn’t account for all the empty seats. On the face of it, it seems kind of silly to turn people away when it’s so obvious they could have easily accommodated a few more without much trouble. Couldn’t help looking around and thinking that sellout was a bit artificial! It couldn’t have hurt to sell a few upstairs. Goodwill goes along ways, especially considering how far this program has been setback over the last decade! I think those in charge need to look at their policy and come up with a better solution. IMO it wasn’t a good look today. Oh well those closed out missed a good one!
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Post by saintsgrad on Feb 16, 2020 23:38:40 GMT -5
How much money did Siena lose by not allowing say 150 people (making that number up) turned away buy general admission tickets to find seats? It's an indisputable fact enough seats were available even with the curtains down, and it would have been a better experience for fans as well and help get fans to return for more.
I have season tickets but it's still not good business. They knew well in advance this would sell out. Disappointing.
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Post by musicman on Feb 17, 2020 2:26:43 GMT -5
Time to open it back up to 8,500 if not 10,000 Not sure why when the entire upper deck in the exposed area was completely empty, I counted less 100 people opposite the bench side. Tons of empty seats, still trying to figure out how that is a sell out? Exactly. Absolutely no logic to turning fans away. A lot of those turned away probably won't come back. Very disappointing. My section was crowded but it was fun to see numbers we haven't seen in a long time.
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Post by musicman on Feb 17, 2020 2:36:47 GMT -5
Agreed some of the people complaining about the sell out dont have season tickets-- Buy a ticket, next year you will be frozen out several times I have a few season tickets so I don’t have a dog in this fight. The only issue I have was that the upper deck was completely devoid of people. There had to 1500 empty seats. How are you turning people away when it’s obvious to everyone inside that the seats aren’t close to being filled? I highly doubt all that empty space upstairs was due to relocating (there’s never anyone up there). I know they allowed a few season ticket holders upstairs that probably sit elsewhere at times but that still doesn’t account for all the empty seats. On the face of it, it seems kind of silly to turn people away when it’s so obvious they could have easily accommodated a few more without much trouble. Couldn’t help looking around and thinking that sellout was a bit artificial! It couldn’t have hurt to sell a few upstairs. Goodwill goes along ways, especially considering how far this program has been setback over the last decade! I think those in charge need to look at their policy and come up with a better solution. IMO it wasn’t a good look today. Oh well those closed out missed a good one! Definitely not a good look. Totally agree about the importance of goodwill and good relations in the community. Very shortsighted.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 17, 2020 5:16:42 GMT -5
The only logical reason is after the “cap” number an arena clause kicks in for extra security/police presence. Belber tells D’Arg, we can get the arena for “X” amount of money for every game 7200 or under, but anything over kicks in a TUC rule that, for insurance purposes, kicks in a clause that more security has to be on site therefore kicking in a “Y” rental price. So then D’Arg has to decide if the extra, who knows, 100-150 people is worth the additional rent the TUC would want once we went over our max?! That’s the only thing I could come up with. Nothing else makes sense. Let’s face it, EVERY decision in sports usually involves money. I’m open to other theories.....lol
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 17, 2020 7:11:22 GMT -5
The only logical reason is after the “cap” number an arena clause kicks in for extra security/police presence. Belber tells D’Arg, we can get the arena for “X” amount of money for every game 7200 or under, but anything over kicks in a TUC rule that, for insurance purposes, kicks in a clause that more security has to be on site therefore kicking in a “Y” rental price. So then D’Arg has to decide if the extra, who knows, 100-150 people is worth the additional rent the TUC would want once we went over our max?! That’s the only thing I could come up with. Nothing else makes sense. Let’s face it, EVERY decision in sports usually involves money. I’m open to other theories.....lol This sounds reasonable AND doesn’t make Siena admin or the TUC to be the “bad guys” as previously portrayed in some posts.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 17, 2020 7:16:59 GMT -5
The only logical reason is after the “cap” number an arena clause kicks in for extra security/police presence. Belber tells D’Arg, we can get the arena for “X” amount of money for every game 7200 or under, but anything over kicks in a TUC rule that, for insurance purposes, kicks in a clause that more security has to be on site therefore kicking in a “Y” rental price. So then D’Arg has to decide if the extra, who knows, 100-150 people is worth the additional rent the TUC would want once we went over our max?! That’s the only thing I could come up with. Nothing else makes sense. Let’s face it, EVERY decision in sports usually involves money. I’m open to other theories.....lol This sounds reasonable AND doesn’t make Siena admin or the TUC to be the “bad guys” as previously portrayed in some posts. That DOES make the most sense. That said, I would like to see us come up with some kind of solution/compromise for next year. It wasn't a good look yesterday.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 17, 2020 7:30:03 GMT -5
This sounds reasonable AND doesn’t make Siena admin or the TUC to be the “bad guys” as previously portrayed in some posts. That DOES make the most sense. That said, I would like to see us come up with some kind of solution/compromise for next year. It wasn't a good look yesterday. Agree. However, in the meantime those who were turned still have a choice: purchase your tickets early or plan on the possibility of disappointment if you wait till last minute. While I don’t like people being turned away at the doors, it’s apparent this was the “business decision” in place for this season. Time to rethink next season’s “business decision” starting at the end of this season. Good things ahead for our Saints.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 17, 2020 7:40:44 GMT -5
This game had it all. Biggest MAAC alumni base in our area is Manhattan. 2pm on a Sunday after football is over, with a Monday holiday, and a 12 game home winning streak. Sell out not really a surprise. Again, I’m more apathetic to the Manhattan fans that decided to come up and were turned away. At least people in the 518 can go home and watch the game. Our downstate guests have the pleasure of sitting in a local watering hole they Google.🤦♂️
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Post by mike60 on Feb 17, 2020 7:55:44 GMT -5
I don't know how correct this is, but I was told by someone that the TU has to have so many staff for X number of attendees for insurance and for safety purposes. When they don't know the exact number of people before hand, they have the problem getting staff on short notice. It's not like turning a switch on and off.
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