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Post by mjs72 on Apr 5, 2018 17:17:19 GMT -5
I think they're better off to just let him go and pay him even now. Cut the cord. Siena could be digging themselves into a deeper hole. Now that this leaked, he can't come back. That would be tremendously awkward. Pay the man and move on. It's the Siena admin who have probably made more mistakes here. And that's saying something when their opponent is Jimmy. KK, problem is Jimmy has to be willing to accept the payment. The leak, and the resulting media coverage, has given him additional claims to pursue such as libel and tortious interference with contract to just name two. And who knows what pre-termination protections that his contract provided which he will claim were breached by the leaked info? The reality is that most "for cause" firings get litigated and eventually settled no matter the lack of merit the employee's claims have. Tomorrow's presser will not be a good day for Siena and the program no matter what HC has done.
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Post by Tony on Apr 5, 2018 17:25:24 GMT -5
That's the problem...if they had a case on 100% lockdown they would have fired him already for cause. They leaked the investigation to the media to get him to negotiate buy out and he just dug in. In other words he just called their bluff. I said earlier today we'll see where he positions his trench and if he digs in. Well he just did in calling their bluff if he goes through with that presser. It's on like Donkey Kong. This is 100% wrong-- let this play out. Patsos is backed into corner. Patsos is in position he feels he has nothing to lose.
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Post by nolesaint on Apr 5, 2018 17:30:47 GMT -5
So the report is that Patsos is meeting the media Tomorrow afternoon, likely at his lawyers office. It’s clear this is going to be a fight and he’s daring Siena to fire him for cause. If Siena knew they could fire him for cause and win they’d have done it already. Siena CANT get held hostage here. There’s literally no chance Patsos coaches another game here. Siena has to fire him for cause RIGHT now or right after he meets the press. From there, they can go and fight the money battle that they were going to have to fight anyway. The key is we have to get him out as head coach so we can move forward and make a new hire. Time is of the absolute essence with lots of recruiting to do. That's the problem...if they had a case on 100% lockdown they would have fired him already for cause. They leaked the investigation to the media to get him to negotiate buy out and he just dug in. In other words he just called their bluff. I said earlier today we'll see where he positions his trench and if he digs in. Well he just did in calling their bluff if he goes through with that presser. It's on like Donkey Kong. That is not necessarily true. Knowing Siena they would have first presented him enough evidence to fire for cause and tell him they'd rather he resign for (fill-in-the-blank). But it appears his ego is such that he feels wronged. Truth is unless he goes quietly quickly he is about to become scorched earth trust me on this or don't its your choice. He cannot win this regardless of who publicly comes to his defense or what kind of lawyer he gets he has done some really bad shiite. Siena doesn't want all this to go public for obvious reason but they will recover and he will not if it all goes public in a legal battle.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 5, 2018 17:31:49 GMT -5
That's the problem...if they had a case on 100% lockdown they would have fired him already for cause. They leaked the investigation to the media to get him to negotiate buy out and he just dug in. In other words he just called their bluff. I said earlier today we'll see where he positions his trench and if he digs in. Well he just did in calling their bluff if he goes through with that presser. It's on like Donkey Kong. This is 100% wrong-- let this play out. Patsos is backed into corner. Patsos is in position he feels he has nothing to lose. Fair enough... Im just watching and commenting without really knowing what the reality is in this particular case...reading tea leaves. Will be fascinating to watch this develop. I don't think it'd an accident he gave then until 4pm tomorrow to speak. That snacks as a calculated move.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 5, 2018 17:34:00 GMT -5
That's the problem...if they had a case on 100% lockdown they would have fired him already for cause. They leaked the investigation to the media to get him to negotiate buy out and he just dug in. In other words he just called their bluff. I said earlier today we'll see where he positions his trench and if he digs in. Well he just did in calling their bluff if he goes through with that presser. It's on like Donkey Kong. That is not necessarily true. Knowing Siena they would have first presented him enough evidence to fire for cause and tell him they'd rather he resign for (fill-in-the-blank). But it appears his ego is such that he feels wronged. Truth is unless he goes quietly quickly he is about to become scorched earth trust me on this or don't its your choice. He cannot win this regardless of who publicly comes to his defense or what kind of lawyer he gets he has done some really bad shiite. Siena doesn't want all this to go public for obvious reason but they will recover and he will not if it all goes public in a legal battle. Like I said... You guys clearly are more clued in, I'm not at all. If they aren't bluffing and he incorrectly tried to call their bluff I suspect Siena is gonna come guns blazing. Either way, fascinating. Did this all happen this year or has it been going on his entire tenure?
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Post by greenblood on Apr 5, 2018 17:35:53 GMT -5
All along since he arrived.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 5, 2018 17:40:12 GMT -5
All along since he arrived. Where has the administration been and extended his contract? This is mind boggling.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 5, 2018 17:44:35 GMT -5
Good question, but he had some significant donors hoodwinked for a long time is my guess. The old boys club probably wanted access to some of the big names he throws around.
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Post by olddave on Apr 5, 2018 18:02:48 GMT -5
According to News 9, Spectrum the school says their is no press conference tomorrow, as sports caster noted JP does what he wants. Obviously he, JP is not getting or taking the advice of agent or attorneys. Man is in a no win as several here have stated. Even if he gets paid for 2 years where will he work again. No school would touch him or media. No he’s pushing for something else, perhaps allegations become misunderstanding.
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Post by rpize24 on Apr 5, 2018 18:45:32 GMT -5
I had also heard there was no press conference at the school scheduled but from what I've seen he'll be releasing statements from his attorney's office at 4pm tomorrow
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Post by gorvy on Apr 5, 2018 19:13:45 GMT -5
I think they're better off to just let him go and pay him even now. Cut the cord. Siena could be digging themselves into a deeper hole. Now that this leaked, he can't come back. That would be tremendously awkward. Pay the man and move on. It's the Siena admin who have probably made more mistakes here. And that's saying something when their opponent is Jimmy. . I think you and others are underestimating just how much Siena is on the hook for here. The timing is bad not because of the losing but because of how many years are left due to the contract extensions. Siena just can’t “pay” and still run a viable program— I believe that’s one of the major reasons we ended up with patsos in the first place. I have no doubt Siena was going to eat at least one more year prior to the complaint— its hand was forced. I also believe there is some discord between the professors and the admin regarding the basketball program’s prominence. Siena needs to ensure that it only pays what it needs to in accordance with the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 19:20:58 GMT -5
I think they're better off to just let him go and pay him even now. Cut the cord. Siena could be digging themselves into a deeper hole. Now that this leaked, he can't come back. That would be tremendously awkward. Pay the man and move on. It's the Siena admin who have probably made more mistakes here. And that's saying something when their opponent is Jimmy. . I think you and others are underestimating just how much Siena is on the hook for here. The timing is bad not because of the losing but because of how many years are left due to the contract extensions. Siena just can’t “pay” and still run a viable program— I believe that’s one of the major reasons we ended up with patsos in the first place. I have no doubt Siena was going to eat at least one more year prior to the complaint— its hand was forced. I also believe there is some discord between the professors and the admin regarding the basketball program’s prominence. Siena needs to ensure that it only pays what it needs to in accordance with the contract. Well, maybe they should have thought about all that before they extended him...and again before they went to the media and declared war on Jimmy Patsos.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 5, 2018 19:31:22 GMT -5
Not going to argue with that... I will never understand the extension. It’s incomprehensible and indefensible.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 5, 2018 19:32:38 GMT -5
. I think you and others are underestimating just how much Siena is on the hook for here. The timing is bad not because of the losing but because of how many years are left due to the contract extensions. Siena just can’t “pay” and still run a viable program— I believe that’s one of the major reasons we ended up with patsos in the first place. I have no doubt Siena was going to eat at least one more year prior to the complaint— its hand was forced. I also believe there is some discord between the professors and the admin regarding the basketball program’s prominence. Siena needs to ensure that it only pays what it needs to in accordance with the contract. Well, maybe they should have thought about all that before they extended him...and again before they went to the media and declared war on Jimmy Patsos. The school has retained a law firm as part of this effort and investigation they aren't doing shit on their own I’m betting everything from the point of leaking this has been highly calculated
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Post by boogie on Apr 5, 2018 19:34:04 GMT -5
How is it possible that Patsos can have a press conference on his own, presumably about his employment at Siena if he's still employed by the school? The school has to have a policy about speaking to the media, no?
I'm sure someone can explain this to me and with legal advice, there's probably a way around it.
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