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Post by Tony on Jan 22, 2018 19:37:06 GMT -5
I agree with you Hoopdad on the mistakes being made by players at the end of game situations.I've said that before the kids have a responsibility also.But that being said i attribute that to be a young team guys being in positions that they haven't been in before.Like i said before your depending on freshman and seldom used sophomores from last year.That being said they still have the ability to win games.Like i said we haven't been beaten by double digits but Niagara was the closet.So i keep the faith for my SAINTS Ricky, I am trying to keep the faith too, however I am also a realist. Do agree with you that youth has some to do with the Saints record. I just think with the current mix of talent, youth and coaching, this team will struggle to win games and their record is indicative of the reality of where they are collectively as a group right now. The fact that they have not been able to string 2 wins back to back at this stage of the season speaks volumes to me about this team. Unlike some others on here, I will continue to go to games, root for the team, enjoy the wins when they happen, not sweat to much the losses and renew my season tickets for next year. I for one think Hoopdad, hit the nail on the head. You guys want to blame Jimbo for everything- he is what he is a career 500 coach- He gets the kids to play hard, he changes defenses well. In short he is a mediocre coach- some of you guys think that anyone who comes Siena is automatically a good player. Asking for video proof? Do you watch the game? If you do I am quite sure you have never played if you cant see whats happening to individual payers. Coach K isnt winning 12 games with this group- poor recruiting and that my friends falls squarely on coach. I could say its so and so fault that he cant defend, is too slow not athletic enough-- but really if you can't see that yourself I am wasting my time typing this. I'm not trying to attack a kid or deflect "blame" off coach -- and BTW this is not to imply every single kid is bad or not talented, we have a few nice pieces, but not enough and complimentary talent we have doesnt fit together well, add it all up and you get 6-15 |
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 22, 2018 19:46:38 GMT -5
Ricky, I am trying to keep the faith too, however I am also a realist. Do agree with you that youth has some to do with the Saints record. I just think with the current mix of talent, youth and coaching, this team will struggle to win games and their record is indicative of the reality of where they are collectively as a group right now. The fact that they have not been able to string 2 wins back to back at this stage of the season speaks volumes to me about this team. Unlike some others on here, I will continue to go to games, root for the team, enjoy the wins when they happen, not sweat to much the losses and renew my season tickets for next year. I for one think Hoopdad, hit the nail on the head. You guys want to blame Jimbo for everything- he is what he is a career 500 coach- He gets the kids to play hard, he changes defenses well. In short he is a mediocre coach- some of you guys think that anyone who comes Siena is automatically a good player. Asking for video proof? Do you watch the game? If you do I am quite sure you have never played if you cant see whats happening to individual payers. Coach K isnt winning 12 games with this group- poor recruiting and that my friends falls squarely on coach. I could say its so and so fault that he cant defend, is too slow not athletic enough-- but really if you can't see that yourself I am wasting my time typing this. I'm not trying to attack a kid or deflect "blame" off coach -- and BTW this is not to imply every single kid is bad or not talented, we have a few nice pieces, but not enough and complimentary talent we have doesnt fit together well, add it all up and you get 6-15 Sorry Tony. Hard to justify that as being mediocre. Recruiting is a big part of coaching and should not be critiqued separately. Jimmy is not a good x/o’s coach, not a good game manager and not a good recruiter. Therefore he’s not mediocre, he’s a bad coach. In fact when this year is all said and done he’s a coach with a record in the 400’s. That ain’t mediocre. |
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Post by gorvy on Jan 22, 2018 19:48:22 GMT -5
At this point it doesn’t matter if it’s all on the coach or the players. Just look at the results. Last year, the year before that, the last 5 years, the last two decades. It’s all right there.
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Post by Tony on Jan 22, 2018 19:50:40 GMT -5
I for one think Hoopdad, hit the nail on the head. You guys want to blame Jimbo for everything- he is what he is a career 500 coach- He gets the kids to play hard, he changes defenses well. In short he is a mediocre coach- some of you guys think that anyone who comes Siena is automatically a good player. Asking for video proof? Do you watch the game? If you do I am quite sure you have never played if you cant see whats happening to individual payers. Coach K isnt winning 12 games with this group- poor recruiting and that my friends falls squarely on coach. I could say its so and so fault that he cant defend, is too slow not athletic enough-- but really if you can't see that yourself I am wasting my time typing this. I'm not trying to attack a kid or deflect "blame" off coach -- and BTW this is not to imply every single kid is bad or not talented, we have a few nice pieces, but not enough and complimentary talent we have doesnt fit together well, add it all up and you get 6-15 Sorry Tony. Hard to justify that as being mediocre. Recruiting is a big part of coaching and should not be critiqued separately. Jimmy is not a good x/o’s coach, not a good game manager and not a good recruiter. Therefore he’s not mediocre, he’s a bad coach. In fact when this year is all said and done he’s a coach with a very bad 400’s record. Jimbo has won 220 games( of course he has also lost 218) So sorry he is the very definition of a So-so coach-- he is a very lazy recruiter, who isnt getting the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola ANd BTW do you think any coach would win with this group? What team in MAAC does this team have more talent than? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 20:03:00 GMT -5
Ricky, I am trying to keep the faith too, however I am also a realist. Do agree with you that youth has some to do with the Saints record. I just think with the current mix of talent, youth and coaching, this team will struggle to win games and their record is indicative of the reality of where they are collectively as a group right now. The fact that they have not been able to string 2 wins back to back at this stage of the season speaks volumes to me about this team. Unlike some others on here, I will continue to go to games, root for the team, enjoy the wins when they happen, not sweat to much the losses and renew my season tickets for next year. I for one think Hoopdad, hit the nail on the head. You guys want to blame Jimbo for everything- he is what he is a career 500 coach- He gets the kids to play hard, he changes defenses well. In short he is a mediocre coach- some of you guys think that anyone who comes Siena is automatically a good player. Asking for video proof? Do you watch the game? If you do I am quite sure you have never played if you cant see whats happening to individual payers. Coach K isnt winning 12 games with this group- poor recruiting and that my friends falls squarely on coach. I could say its so and so fault that he cant defend, is too slow not athletic enough-- but really if you can't see that yourself I am wasting my time typing this. I'm not trying to attack a kid or deflect "blame" off coach -- and BTW this is not to imply every single kid is bad or not talented, we have a few nice pieces, but not enough and complimentary talent we have doesnt fit together well, add it all up and you get 6-15 Hate to disagree with you boss but we don't all think anyone who comes to Siena is automatically a good player. Quite to the contrary - most are hyped as all world before they sign, are given accolades when they do sign, show up and immediately fall into the "projects" category and then the "young" card is played. They don't recruit themselves, and, as you have so often said, this guy flat out can't recruit - mostly due to laziness, IMO. No one on this team can hold a candle to kids we've all watched get to the dance for more than one game. Having said that, I believe these kids are better than they are right now - for sure they can be better collectively, and after all it is a team sport. We all agree they play hard. The problems come out when it is clear that whatever the game plan was, and if it isn't working we aren't seeing in-game changes to right the ship. Changing D's is one thing, capitalizing on the misses and TO's is another - going back to same-old-same-old rarely works when ahead and almost never when coming from behind. True JP can't make a play anymore than a slower player can somehow turn up the foot speed. I get tired of blaming the kids and just sitting back and accepting so-so for what he is - he's not what we want and certainly not what we need. |
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 22, 2018 20:04:11 GMT -5
Sorry Tony. Hard to justify that as being mediocre. Recruiting is a big part of coaching and should not be critiqued separately. Jimmy is not a good x/o’s coach, not a good game manager and not a good recruiter. Therefore he’s not mediocre, he’s a bad coach. In fact when this year is all said and done he’s a coach with a very bad 400’s record. Jimbo has won 220 games( of course he has also lost 218) So sorry he is the very definition of a So-so coach-- he is a very lazy recruiter, who isnt getting the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola ANd BTW do you think any coach would win with this group? What team in MAAC does this team have more talent than? Let’s see what that hair above 500 looks like at year end. |
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 22, 2018 20:08:49 GMT -5
Sorry Tony. Hard to justify that as being mediocre. Recruiting is a big part of coaching and should not be critiqued separately. Jimmy is not a good x/o’s coach, not a good game manager and not a good recruiter. Therefore he’s not mediocre, he’s a bad coach. In fact when this year is all said and done he’s a coach with a very bad 400’s record. Jimbo has won 220 games( of course he has also lost 218) So sorry he is the very definition of a So-so coach-- he is a very lazy recruiter, who isnt getting the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola ANd BTW do you think any coach would win with this group? What team in MAAC does this team have more talent than? Usually in full agreement with ya’ brother but... Not sure what you saw vs QU with all the talk about changing D. All I saw was a layup line. What little he did accomplished nothing. IMO most of the time his player rotations were garbage, he can’t figure out how to best utilize what little he’s given himself to work with and on the other end of the floor his offensive sets were just that offensive. Tony it’s unwatchable basketball. Sorry Tony he’s the epitome of bad coaching. |
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Post by sky on Jan 22, 2018 20:09:54 GMT -5
This may be an over simplification but aren't coaches supposed to coach
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 22, 2018 20:27:41 GMT -5
Sorry Tony. Hard to justify that as being mediocre. Recruiting is a big part of coaching and should not be critiqued separately. Jimmy is not a good x/o’s coach, not a good game manager and not a good recruiter. Therefore he’s not mediocre, he’s a bad coach. In fact when this year is all said and done he’s a coach with a very bad 400’s record. Jimbo has won 220 games( of course he has also lost 218) So sorry he is the very definition of a So-so coach-- he is a very lazy recruiter, who isnt getting the transfers here at Siena he got at Loyola ANd BTW do you think any coach would win with this group? What team in MAAC does this team have more talent than? sorry to throw water on your Jimmy love fest.........but yeah, coach K would win more than this moron would without question, and any REAL motivated/organized/tactician would win MORE than this clown we have..............NOW, I am not gonna say they win the league or even finish over .500, but a good coach would WIN more than JP........that ain't BS either because they would do more strategic planning/scouting for game prep of opponents, have various offenses to work to the players strengths (same goes for defense), be in better physical condition for the season, work on individual player progress so that each has an actual plan to get better every time they hit the floor, constantly work on fundamentals, concentrate on various game scenario's (end of game situations, expiring shot clock, etc.....).......our current guru doesn't appear to do any of that, because as we see the product on the floor is a mish-mash helter-skelter result just about every game, truly disappointing.................heck, insert Becker and you get more wins no doubt......... |
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 22, 2018 20:29:10 GMT -5
This may be an over simplification but aren't coaches supposed to coach no, he is supposed to yell uncontrollably at a player during a team time out and not bother drawing up the next offensive set or defensive plan........very very effective................ |
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Post by chief on Jan 22, 2018 22:52:03 GMT -5
Siena must lead the MAAC (possibly the whole NCAA) in shot clock violations. Even when they just beat the clock they take poor shots. The players have to learn to be "ready to shoot", they pass up too many open shots, especially TJ. Sometimes it looks like they are afraid to shot. The coach should be on this.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 23, 2018 6:47:11 GMT -5
This may be an over simplification but aren't coaches supposed to coach To quote the philosopher Buonoguro ... "You... you coach them" |
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Post by $cott on Jan 23, 2018 9:38:55 GMT -5
Ricky, I am trying to keep the faith too, however I am also a realist. Do agree with you that youth has some to do with the Saints record. I just think with the current mix of talent, youth and coaching, this team will struggle to win games and their record is indicative of the reality of where they are collectively as a group right now. The fact that they have not been able to string 2 wins back to back at this stage of the season speaks volumes to me about this team. Unlike some others on here, I will continue to go to games, root for the team, enjoy the wins when they happen, not sweat to much the losses and renew my season tickets for next year. I for one think Hoopdad, hit the nail on the head. You guys want to blame Jimbo for everything- he is what he is a career 500 coach- He gets the kids to play hard, he changes defenses well. In short he is a mediocre coach- some of you guys think that anyone who comes Siena is automatically a good player. Asking for video proof? Do you watch the game? If you do I am quite sure you have never played if you cant see whats happening to individual payers. Coach K isnt winning 12 games with this group- poor recruiting and that my friends falls squarely on coach. I could say its so and so fault that he cant defend, is too slow not athletic enough-- but really if you can't see that yourself I am wasting my time typing this. I'm not trying to attack a kid or deflect "blame" off coach -- and BTW this is not to imply every single kid is bad or not talented, we have a few nice pieces, but not enough and complimentary talent we have doesnt fit together well, add it all up and you get 6-15 I've watched this team control games at Memphis and Iona for 30 minutes and even play with Louisville for a half. These aren't some D3 caliber players, there is plenty of talent here that could win games with a good coach. Do we need a talent upgrade to win the MAAC? Of course we do. But just an upgrade in coaching and this group should be a lot closer to .500 than to 6-15. |
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Post by gosaints on Jan 23, 2018 14:40:08 GMT -5
Siena must lead the MAAC (possibly the whole NCAA) in shot clock violations. Even when they just beat the clock they take poor shots. The players have to learn to be "ready to shoot", they pass up too many open shots, especially TJ. Sometimes it looks like they are afraid to shot. The coach should be on this. The coach is the reason for this!!! |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 25, 2018 18:08:08 GMT -5
I was hopeful today after the Marist win and some stability in the rotation. It looked like JP had landed on a rotation which worked and things were coming together. Today, JP is back to throwing things on the wall and seeing what sticks- putting together strange combinations and putting kids on the floor together in clusters that have zero chance of success. Huerter lets his man beat him to the hoop one time, gets yanked immediately and after sitting for ten minutes is close to useless rest of the game. Meanwhile, others get beaten repeatedly and they do not get yanked. Poor Sammy constantly in the doghouse and is probably the best rebounder per minute Siena has. Manny Camper has looked athletic and today he showed it. JP knowing he looks like a fool for never having played him, says in the post game interview, that Camper has been practicing well, so he deserved playing time. Putting someone in for the final four minutes is deserved playing time? That is him trying to backtrack and not look the complete fool for the best looking player on the court having sat the bench for the past ten games. This guy takes Siena fans for complete idiots! Discouraging........................... again...................... JP is the root of all Siena problems.............. turn up the heat! This is why we can't hold every player to.the same standards. Everyone does not have the same opportunities on a Patsos team |
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