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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 22, 2018 10:38:07 GMT -5
this is the same old re-hash pretty much after every game that goes into the loss column, but in essence as we know it is what you get with JP............he is overall a very poor recruiter and a very mediocre coach in pretty much every phase of the game............even with talent, he will struggle to put solid winning seasons together..........simply put, and this may be harsh, but he needs to find a different profession (or at least recognize that leading a program/head coach is not his cup of tea), because there is enough work history to know that what we see is what we get with him, there is no high ceiling or potential to elevate his coaching acumen............best for ALL parties to go in a different direction...............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 10:39:05 GMT -5
Not quite. That's not how PPS works. 38.7% of 3 = 1.16 That's not good. They need to find a way to get to the FT line more and use the threat of 3 more to their advantage in spreading the floor....while having plays that are better designed for the personnel. Yesterday, Jimmy spent a lot of time in 2 big lineups....but he played a lot of man with them... WHY? Started with Fisher and Oduro...then he added Degnan to the mix. If Heurter is struggling....don't go big...go smaller. This team should never go bigger. They should have ZONED Quinny to death. Quinny is 10th in the MAAC in 3pt %. The only consistent shooter is Rigoni. Why did they play so much man? There should have always been a help defender on EVERY shot. That was one of the worst defensive gameplans I've ever seen from Jimmy. It was like he had no idea who he was playing. IDIOTIC. You don't get any points per shot if you get a shot clock violation. Not to mention you are more likely to get more offensive boards on missed 3 pointers which generates extra shots. On a good team that can win games you don't want to settle for an average of 1.16 points per shot. On a bad team that is losing games you don't care about overall efficiency, you care about winning games. Launching 3's will win them extra games when they are hot and lead to more blowout losses when they are cold. At this point that is the best they can realistically hope for. I'd like to see everyone have the green light at the fist open look from 3, at the very least it should cut down on the shot clock violations. With a team that shoots this well from three, there should be a lot of operating room. But there's not. The team looks lost on offense most of the time... It's like they're being forced to play a game that's not their own. They spend too much of the shotclock passing around the perimeter for a post feed that, at best, will lead to a contested look...mostly by Oduro..who is the least efficient scorer on the team. It's one thing if it's a one on one...but usually it's 1 on 2 or 3 because there's 2 bigs down there. If you're gonna play Fisher and Oduro together..let Fisher hang out more on the wing. He's now shooting 39% from three. One problem is Penn is not being aggressive enough, be it because of Jimmy, or his personality. He needs to dominate the ball more and set up others for better looks...and be the one taking it to the rim if not. But it's hard when the lane is so clogged and he needs to go thru 3 or 4 defenders to get there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:01:28 GMT -5
I know Jimmy tells them to do post feeds. He's said as much and in the beginning of the game they go right for that..even with 2 of our bigs in there...
He wants to go inside first and is ok with it then coming back out for 3.
However, the guards give to them and then they stand around. No flashing to the basket...and there's no room even if the did. And if and when the ball comes back out of the inevitable double or triple team...the bigs have trouble passing over defenders to give the shooter a clean look. So the shooter isn't quick enough to shoot or it results in a poor shot for the big or turnover.
And if they don't force it, they've already wasted so much time on the shotclock that now they get a shotclock violation or a crappy shot.
This is stand around Mitch Buonaguoro offense 101. We saw this at the end when he was trying to force feed Anosike. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.
The floor needs to be spread except for when they pass to the FT line to beat a zone. It's ok not to always have 2 guys sitting under the rim. It's ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:11:33 GMT -5
I'd say the only reason the Long, Bisping, JO offense was so much more efficient was because they were so good at managing the high post in the offense. They were all great threats from there to both drive and shoot.
Siena has not utilized the high post much at all this year. You'll notice it's usually wide open and the guards are dribble driving to that spot for jumpers. In the last few years, Bisping or Long would often be there already for a short jumper, drive to the hoop, or pass when the D moves over to contest.
So...no movement after post feeds, very little high post game, and we're clogging our own driving lanes.
That's special.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:31:48 GMT -5
The sad part is for the last 3 years I've been yelling "High Post!" at the tv screen. Part of the reason they were only 17-17 last year was because they'd 'forget' what the entire strength of their offense was that they developed during the CBI run in 13-14.
How do you forget something like that for periods of every year while having the exact same personnel running it for 3 straight years?
Now, with all new players, Jimmy can't even 'remember' half way thru the season like he was doing.
Tommy Heurter could be a great high post threat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:34:35 GMT -5
And the genius puts our "feed it to the LOW post and kick out" offensive plan out to the media - da ya think the other guys don't notice that (although it is very obvious after one or two possessions). Our perimeter guys stay motionless like traffic cones - catch, look inside (more like a fake), pause then move eyes to next target and pass, rinse, repeat, 25....10....3,2, heave (maybe). His main play is called " THE 2" - you can see him make the "hook em horns" sign while no one on the floor is looking at him except the defense - aptly named as the play takes TOOOOOOOOO long to run....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:49:35 GMT -5
The last thing I ever want to see is 2 players standing on each side of the lane on offense which seems to happen way too much.
There should be either 1 player inside the 3 pt line ....or 1 high post and 1 low post....or they pass thru quickly for an open jumper.
The 'side-post' should be mostly open for baseline drivers and anyone near the hoop should be prepared to set up back screens or receive the dropoff.
My god, the more ways I think of how to create offense the more I realize how much we're not doing that we could be.
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Post by rickyp on Jan 22, 2018 12:17:42 GMT -5
I'll repeat this like i said in the recruit thread.Why are you recruiting players that need space but you want to play 2 bigs.When you can play that way known but won't.
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 22, 2018 12:37:17 GMT -5
This loss and the season as a whole comes down to one thing, talent. In the case of Siena, not enough of it and certainly not enough complementary talent. To the kids credit they play hard, and in some games, enough guys are playing above their capabilities to make a game of it and even squeak out a win. However unless everything lines up perfectly for this team, the chances of getting those wins are slim to none. Poor recruiting and retention of players is more of a contributing factor to this year's record than JP's coach ability, which is what his record says it is, career .500 coach. Put that all together and you have a 6-15 team. Is it really any more complicated than that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:51:52 GMT -5
Is it really any more complicated than that? Yes. Any criticism about this year's team that does not heavily include Jimmy's in-game strategies is flawed and incomplete. Just blaming the players and saying they suck or are too young is the convenient fan reaction, not always the right one. Yeah, there could and should be higher level talent on this team but that's not the whole story.
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 22, 2018 13:04:56 GMT -5
Is it really any more complicated than that? Yes. Any criticism about this year's team that does not heavily include Jimmy's in-game strategies is flawed and incomplete. Just blaming the players and saying they suck or are too young is the convenient fan reaction, not always the right one. Yeah, there could and should be higher level talent on this team but that's not the whole story. Did you read my entire post? I said "JP's coach ability, which is what his record says it is, career .500 coach. " To spell it out, .500 career and sub .500 at Siena, reflects a so-so or worse coach. Pet that together with the talent on the team and you have the results we are seeing. Not a negative on the kids. Like the group, all seem like great kids, work hard, represent Siena well. Just not enough talent (call it team talent if that make you feel better and not blaming individual players) and the right combo of talent to win consistently in the MAAC. Whole Story = Coaching + Team Talent.
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Post by mjs72 on Jan 22, 2018 13:12:17 GMT -5
HoopDad, seems to me the fact we have had so many close games shows we have enough talent to win. The lack on in-game adjustments is maddening. And we rarely play to our strengths.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 22, 2018 13:25:12 GMT -5
HoopDad, seems to me the fact we have had so many close games shows we have enough talent to win. The lack on in-game adjustments is maddening. And we rarely play to our strengths. well, you do realize, and this is a FACT, the MAAC this year is wayyyyyyyyyyyy down.......that in itself is a reason they are in many games rather than talent, because typically a team in 10th or 11th place (which is kind of where they are right now), isn't really that competitive with the rest of their league, but this yr it shows you can be because of the overall league is a pile of pus.................again, the combination of crappy recruiting and inability to coach the talent you have is an indictment of JP, won't matter who he recruits, imagine him as the coach of the dream team, they probably don't even get the bronze medal in the olympics.......... ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:35:14 GMT -5
HoopDad, seems to me the fact we have had so many close games shows we have enough talent to win. The lack on in-game adjustments is maddening. And we rarely play to our strengths. well, you do realize, and this is a FACT, the MAAC this year is wayyyyyyyyyyyy down.......that in itself is a reason they are in many games rather than talent, because typically a team in 10th or 11th place (which is kind of where they are right now), isn't really that competitive with the rest of their league, but this yr it shows you can be because of the overall league is a pile of pus.................again, the combination of crappy recruiting and inability to coach the talent you have is an indictment of JP, won't matter who he recruits, imagine him as the coach of the dream team, they probably don't even get the bronze medal in the olympics.......... ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I tend to agree about the down MAAC although I will say that the MAAC is ranked 20th per Kenpom... 2018 - 20th 2017 - 19th 2016 - 21st 2015 - 19th Maybe it's not down by as much as we think. I think what it is is that the top teams aren't as good as they typically are but there are more of them. Lots of 130 ranked teams instead of like 80 and 170. Conference, as a whole, is more middling.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 22, 2018 14:09:14 GMT -5
well, you do realize, and this is a FACT, the MAAC this year is wayyyyyyyyyyyy down.......that in itself is a reason they are in many games rather than talent, because typically a team in 10th or 11th place (which is kind of where they are right now), isn't really that competitive with the rest of their league, but this yr it shows you can be because of the overall league is a pile of pus.................again, the combination of crappy recruiting and inability to coach the talent you have is an indictment of JP, won't matter who he recruits, imagine him as the coach of the dream team, they probably don't even get the bronze medal in the olympics.......... ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I tend to agree about the down MAAC although I will say that the MAAC is ranked 20th per Kenpom... 2018 - 20th 2017 - 19th 2016 - 21st 2015 - 19th Maybe it's not down by as much as we think. I think what it is is that the top teams aren't as good as they typically are but there are more of them. Lots of 130 ranked teams instead of like 80 and 170. Conference, as a whole, is more middling. rankings aside, the old eye test shows that most if not all maac teams are seriously flawed.........nobody in this league right now is capable of stepping up on that national stage and taking a BIG down in March (unless that higher level team completely tanks).........also IMHO, the league is void of higher level talented players, you typically need a few to pull off the surprise when it matters most.............
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