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Post by Tony on Jan 14, 2018 6:17:57 GMT -5
Maybe it’s not Darg. Back in the early 2000’s when Gina had the Latvian connection, the Siena women’s team was out drawing every MAAC men’s team except Marist. Anyway fast forward 16 years - Siena women have 1 winning season in last 15 years with good chance this year makes it 1 winning season in last 16 years- they draw peanuts every game and are major drain on school’s revenue stream
On men’s side after St Fran’s run 8 years ago—Siena has one winning regular season record in last 8 years.
What gets me- who approves these contracts? Ali has 1 winning season in her 6 years here- yet she is signed thru 2020?
On men’s side Jimmy Patsos is a career 500 coach- he has 1 winning regular season in 5 years here- why the urgency to extend him a few years ago when he had his single winning regular season? It’s not like he was going to be a hot commodity. In Jimbo’s case all the added security did for Jimmy is make him want to vacation even more in the off season.
My question is it Siena College that time has passed by or the AD? Seems to me these long term guaranteed contracts are really tying Siena’s hands and costing them valuable revenue. It’s not like these coaches are being paid chump change. I mean maybe it’s not a big thing since Siena is at all time high with corporate donations, Saints alive contributions is higher than ever—and we all see announced attendance at every game this year 5K to 6K – must be correct right?
So is it the school or the AD? Or is no big thing, just Siena men’s and women’s team are in a 10 year down cycle? Something isn’t working for sure
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 6:43:45 GMT -5
It may very well have. Are we now Marist North? One or two more years of this and Siena will be.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 14, 2018 6:44:05 GMT -5
Maybe it's because christian values and free market capitalism don't mix. When things aren't working in the business world you cut bait as soon as it is identified and move on. In the business world no way in hell does Buonaguro get that job. And that would also have preempted this hire.
Oil and vinegar just don't mix
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 14, 2018 8:12:37 GMT -5
Maybe it's because christian values and free market capitalism don't mix. When things aren't working in the business world you cut bait as soon as it is identified and move on. In the business world no way in hell does Buonaguro get that job. And that would also have preempted this hire. Oil and vinegar just don't mix Mitch and JP got hired because of Christian values?
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Post by olddave on Jan 14, 2018 8:13:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's because christian values and free market capitalism don't mix. When things aren't working in the business world you cut bait as soon as it is identified and move on. In the business world no way in hell does Buonaguro get that job. And that would also have preempted this hire. Oil and vinegar just don't mix For a Liberal Arts school noted for its business school one wonders how, who makes the decisions for mot just the BB program but the school in general. Franciscan values are great, but we all know the order has dwindled in numbers. Low numbers, your candidates of value to run an institution diminish. The current regime certainly inherited a mess, nice gentlemen, professional, religious, try very hard are they up to the task? Been saying for years that change is needed throughout the college, for those familiar Welchs philosophy at GE worked very well, if it still had been used by Imelt GE would not be in the current situation. Siena College needs a good cleaning, much to much deadwood, old ideas, people philosophies not willing to change. Yes the AD is one. Did he serve his purpose yes. Time for new blood, including BOT, retain the theological upper management, sorry current regime needs to go just for change. They were brought in like current coach quickly without proper vetting. Run the school like a business, which it is. Nice guys finish last and the meek shall inherit nothing in the real world. That's what the school is competing against now, for students, applications, athletes, programs etc. Does the school has what it takes, structurally fine, leadership and personnel tweak it and yes may recover
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 14, 2018 8:23:11 GMT -5
I don’t think Christian and business values are inconsistent, quite the contrary, I think they are necessary ingredients to success and happiness.
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Post by olddave on Jan 14, 2018 8:31:01 GMT -5
I don’t think Christian and business values are inconsistent, quite the contrary, I think they are necessary ingredients to success and happiness. That's a great your judgement on how you want to live your live. I respect you and your opinions. They worked very well together under Fr. Hines. Please just admit that it hasn't been working the last 15 years at the school and change is needed. Fine keep a Franciscan at eh helm, but make sure its a tough no nonsense bastard. I know a few members of the cloth who have good business sense, loved by the flock, but despised for their decisions. The school needs a person who is not afraid to make the TOUGH decisions.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 14, 2018 8:56:58 GMT -5
I don’t think Christian and business values are inconsistent, quite the contrary, I think they are necessary ingredients to success and happiness. That's a great your judgement on how you want to live your live. I respect you and your opinions. They worked very well together under Fr. Hines. Please just admit that it hasn't been working the last 15 years at the school and change is needed. Fine keep a Franciscan at eh helm, but make sure its a tough no nonsense bastard. I know a few members of the cloth who have good business sense, loved by the flock, but despised for their decisions. The school needs a person who is not afraid to make the TOUGH decisions. I agree that a change is needed. I disagree with Saintsfan in that there is a conflict between Christian values and running a good basketball program. Having a Friar making decisions is not the problem either. You need qualified people. (Male, female, LGBTQ, religious, not religious, black, brown, white, indigenous, Android, etc.) Simply, I don’t care who does the job as long as they do it well and represent the school well.
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Post by siena70 on Jan 14, 2018 9:01:13 GMT -5
The BOT are all handpicked by the Franciscans-that's how you retain power.
The Franciscans are dwindling , both in number and quality of the individual. These are NOT your Father's Franciscans.
The School needs major changes.in who makes and how major decisions are made. The number and quality of applicants are declining. The President and BOT allow deadwood to continue without making necessary changes, and rely on donations to bail them out of bad business decisions.
I recently discussed this with a BOT member and he was reluctant to admit that big changes are needed.
All voices count! this is our school.
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Post by hoopdad on Jan 14, 2018 9:17:28 GMT -5
Not sure time has pass Siena by, but times have certainly changed in college basket ball and in society in general since the McCaffery days and Saints have not adopted to those changes. I posted this sentiment at the beginning of this season and got roasted by many on here. Not sure if the College and the basketball program not adopting to changes is a result of Franciscan values or not, but it is an issue and a contributing factor to the State of the Saints.
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Post by notomo on Jan 14, 2018 9:19:13 GMT -5
I'm not wired into what's happening on campus so I'll ask the question: Are at least some of you claiming that what's happening with the athletic program in general, but more specifically with the BB contingent, is a reflection of the condition of the College itself? I shudder at the thought.If the administration is satisfied with mediocrity or worse in these high profile, high cost programs,what else is going wrong?
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Post by Tony on Jan 14, 2018 9:20:49 GMT -5
You can't have priests making basketball decisions. They need to hire a competent AD and let him ( or her) make those decisions - before Siena college becomes Marist north - and judging by results it already may be too late
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Post by gorvy on Jan 14, 2018 9:28:39 GMT -5
You can't have priests making basketball decisions. They need to hire a competent AD and let him ( or her) make those decisions - before Siena college becomes Marist north - and judging by results it already may be too late I don’t think it is too late—- they still have a solid fan base and the capital region loves a winner— still have the tu and upgrading on campus facilities. What they need is a competent coach. I don’t care how they do it but it should be a coach with a history of winning a championship within three years of hire. Any assistant would be a bigger risk because we won’t know if they can manage.
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Post by Tony on Jan 14, 2018 9:29:23 GMT -5
I'm not wired into what's happening on campus so I'll ask the question: Are at least some of you claiming that what's happening with the athletic program in general, but more specifically with the BB contingent, is a reflection of the condition of the College itself? I shudder at the thought.If the administration is satisfied with mediocrity or worse in these high profile, high cost programs,what else is going wrong? Proof is in the pudding so to speak-- why else would you extend a career 500 coach after 1 winning regular season? Or extend a head coach with an overall losing record like AJax after she had 1 winning season- you are basically saying we are fine with mediocrity. When is last time you heard Siena say our stated goal is compete for MAAC title every year? Now it seems the stated goal is not to finish in PIG or heaven forbid post a winning regular season something the Men and women both seldom accomplish I don’t know if Darg is downgrading programs or it’s a business decision on Siena’s part- like I said somebody is approving these guaranteed contract extensions
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 14, 2018 9:48:54 GMT -5
Maybe it’s not Darg. Back in the early 2000’s when Gina had the Latvian connection, the Siena women’s team was out drawing every MAAC men’s team except Marist. Anyway fast forward 16 years - Siena women have 1 winning season in last 15 years with good chance this year makes it 1 winning season in last 16 years- they draw peanuts every game and are major drain on school’s revenue stream On men’s side after St Fran’s run 8 years ago—Siena has one winning regular season record in last 8 years. What gets me- who approves these contracts? Ali has 1 winning season in her 6 years here- yet she is signed thru 2020? On men’s side Jimmy Patsos is a career 500 coach- he has 1 winning regular season in 5 years here- why the urgency to extend him a few years ago when he had his single winning regular season? It’s not like he was going to be a hot commodity. In Jimbo’s case all the added security did for Jimmy is make him want to vacation even more in the off season. My question is it Siena College that time has passed by or the AD? Seems to me these long term guaranteed contracts are really tying Siena’s hands and costing them valuable revenue. It’s not like these coaches are being paid chump change. I mean maybe it’s not a big thing since Siena is at all time high with corporate donations, Saints alive contributions is higher than ever—and we all see announced attendance at every game this year 5K to 6K – must be correct right? So is it the school or the AD? Or is no big thing, just Siena men’s and women’s team are in a 10 year down cycle? Something isn’t working for sure The basketball program is a mismanaged asset. College needs to sit down and figure out what they want, new blood is probably the answer. Look what Mark Benson is doing at UA. D’Arg’s time has come and gone he’s just another complacent cog like our headcoach.
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