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Post by brian on Jan 14, 2018 16:08:28 GMT -5
I see very little evidence that we could land a good experienced DI Head Coach. How did we get mccaffery? That was a long time ago, and there has been a narrowing of the salary gap between most MAAC coaches and other leagues that would be considered below the MAAC, especially for the good coaches. McCaffery was making peanuts at UNCG and Siena had the ability to offer him a considerable raise. That isn’t going to be the case any more and the motivation to move to the MAAC versus stay where they are and make a real jump to the A10 or higher and see a huge raise. Not sure what Davis is making right now, but they were paying Paulsen 300k, so I’d question whether we could woo him away with money.
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Post by Papi on Jan 14, 2018 16:41:54 GMT -5
Being the AD at a maac school isn't like being an AD at a major University it's more like being the AD of a big time high school. dont talk stupid even MAAC schools athletic dept have multi million dollar budgets Thanks to title IX. How much money is wasted on women's sports. Not that it's a bad thing but it's eating up those budgets.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 14, 2018 16:50:36 GMT -5
Well it's wasted on the womens basketball program at Siena for sure.
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Post by olddave on Jan 14, 2018 16:53:57 GMT -5
dont talk stupid even MAAC schools athletic dept have multi million dollar budgets Thanks to title IX. How much money is wasted on women's sports. Not that it's a bad thing but it's eating up those budgets. just love making ignorant statements don't you, they just keep adding up
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 14, 2018 17:11:18 GMT -5
I see very little evidence that we could land a good experienced DI Head Coach. How did we get mccaffery? Getting coaches that are 90-87 at their last school are easy to get.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 14, 2018 18:01:18 GMT -5
At least Fran had 2 NCAA appearances and 1 NIT in 9 years prior to Siena (not even gonna count Iowa). Dopey has been once in 13 years and never won the conference outright. Loser!
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Post by MTS on Jan 14, 2018 18:18:04 GMT -5
What is different than 10-15 years ago is the graduate programs (and JUCOS). Grad transfers are a big part of the game and Siena doesn’t have them so in that regard yes that part of the game is hurting Siena. Greenblood was right on the money with that. Also Siena seems to want to be Harvard. No I’m not saying have a roster full of bad students but they need to be more flexible to compete with Iona and Monmouth.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 14, 2018 18:19:16 GMT -5
Fran at least had 2 NCAA appearances and 1 NIT in 9 years prior to Siena (not even gonna count Iowa). Dopey has been once in 13 years and never won the conference outright. Loser! While rebuilding two different schools (schools that never won previously) a fact that people conveniently “forget”. It’s not just that they did it they did it in a short period of time, that’s the key.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 14, 2018 18:25:23 GMT -5
How did we get mccaffery? That was a long time ago, and there has been a narrowing of the salary gap between most MAAC coaches and other leagues that would be considered below the MAAC, especially for the good coaches. McCaffery was making peanuts at UNCG and Siena had the ability to offer him a considerable raise. That isn’t going to be the case any more and the motivation to move to the MAAC versus stay where they are and make a real jump to the A10 or higher and see a huge raise. Not sure what Davis is making right now, but they were paying Paulsen 300k, so I’d question whether we could woo him away with money. . If Siena wants to be at the top of the maac then it needs to commit accordingly. Otherwise what is the point of severing ties and paying patsos $1.2 million now. Wasnt Siena considering a move to the a10 not too long ago? It’s one thing to let patsos go now, but what is the game plan after that? In other words if firing patsos now means we can only afford a lesser coach, no thanks.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 14, 2018 18:35:20 GMT -5
What is different than 10-15 years ago is the graduate programs (and JUCOS). Grad transfers are a big part of the game and Siena doesn’t have them so in that regard yes that part of the game is hurting Siena. Greenblood was right on the money with that. Also Siena seems to want to be Harvard. No I’m not saying have a roster full of bad students but they need to be more flexible to compete with Iona and Monmouth. I’m sorry, but this isn’t all that fair. We aren’t taking non-qualifiers or juco’s but Prince was a late qualifier, Shivers needed a test score, Welch seems to not be a great student. If they qualify out of HS we take them. The JUCO thing is just dumb and it’s a sign of the stigma around JUCO’s, there are plenty of JUCO kids that are no worse than kids coming out of HS.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 14, 2018 18:42:42 GMT -5
What is different than 10-15 years ago is the graduate programs (and JUCOS). Grad transfers are a big part of the game and Siena doesn’t have them so in that regard yes that part of the game is hurting Siena. Greenblood was right on the money with that. Also Siena seems to want to be Harvard. No I’m not saying have a roster full of bad students but they need to be more flexible to compete with Iona and Monmouth. I’m sorry, but this isn’t all that fair. We aren’t taking non-qualifiers or juco’s but Prince was a late qualifier, Shivers needed a test score, Welch seems to not be a great student. If they qualify out of HS we take them. The JUCO thing is just dumb and it’s a sign of the stigma around JUCO’s, there are plenty of JUCO kids that are no worse than kids coming out of HS. exactly on the qualifiers and I’ll add that jucos often disrupt the chemistry of teams, not necessarily because they are bad kids but because they only have two years to stamp their role. For all of Iona’s success they still have not won on the national stage like we have. We have won and can win again with four year kids.
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Post by rpize24 on Jan 14, 2018 19:05:38 GMT -5
I’m sorry, but this isn’t all that fair. We aren’t taking non-qualifiers or juco’s but Prince was a late qualifier, Shivers needed a test score, Welch seems to not be a great student. If they qualify out of HS we take them. The JUCO thing is just dumb and it’s a sign of the stigma around JUCO’s, there are plenty of JUCO kids that are no worse than kids coming out of HS. exactly on the qualifiers and I’ll add that jucos often disrupt the chemistry of teams, not necessarily because they are bad kids but because they only have two years to stamp their role. For all of Iona’s success they still have not won on the national stage like we have. We have won and can win again with four year kids. I think Iona not winning on the national stage is an understatement. They are the only school ever to have gone to the NCAA tournament at least 10 times and have not won a game. I'd rather go to the tournament twice in a five year span and win games rather than going year after year and not being able to pull out a win
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Post by sky on Jan 14, 2018 19:07:38 GMT -5
The problem is how do we get them to stay 4 years...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 19:30:55 GMT -5
The problem is how do we get them to stay 4 years... More correctly, to recruit players that the coach allows to stay for four years....
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Post by greenblood on Jan 14, 2018 20:09:06 GMT -5
I’m sorry, but this isn’t all that fair. We aren’t taking non-qualifiers or juco’s but Prince was a late qualifier, Shivers needed a test score, Welch seems to not be a great student. If they qualify out of HS we take them. The JUCO thing is just dumb and it’s a sign of the stigma around JUCO’s, there are plenty of JUCO kids that are no worse than kids coming out of HS. exactly on the qualifiers and I’ll add that jucos often disrupt the chemistry of teams, not necessarily because they are bad kids but because they only have two years to stamp their role. For all of Iona’s success they still have not won on the national stage like we have. We have won and can win again with four year kids. Academic exceptions have been made for years so that excuse sailed a long time ago. While I see what Gorvy is saying you don't always need a JUCO stud looking to go to the NBA. It takes 9(ahem) work but what if there is a mature JUCO true PG out there with a great A/To who could come in and spell Penn? I'd have that than a soon and another freshman next year. Same thing might be possible for a wing or forward. The key is not only the skill it's a fit to the culture and style if play. Therein lies the problem...we currently have a rather undefined culture and style if play that is consistent. At least at this point with the group they all seem to want to be a team.
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