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Post by indian82 on Mar 15, 2017 5:46:27 GMT -5
In the 15 years or so of coming on this board, OOC scheduling seems to come up every 3 or so years and the complaining about home games, so maybe it is time for a quick review of just why it is so hard to get the kinds of games some want. Sorry if this ends up being a little long but here goes: The basketball season is roughly 3/4 of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb. Siena plays in the MAAC and that means Jan and Feb are pretty much handed over to the MAAC for scheduling league games. That leaves roughly 45 - 50 days in Nov/Dec for scheduling OOC. Thanksgiving takes a bite out of Nov., first semester finals (this is college after all) and Christmas in Dec. take another 15 or so of those days. Down to maybe 30 open dates. Siena is not the primary tenant (at least for now) at the TUC, so the schedulers are at the mercy of the Devils, especially weeknights. Give up another 10 dates for that. Now you are down to 20 potential dates that the team can work with. There are "return" games from the previous year (4 or 5) that have to be played. No one wants to play back to back nights, give up another 10 dates. Down to 10 possible dates you can schedule a home game. There are about 350 D1 programs, the top 75 or so won't come to Albany without special circumstances (if even then) and the fan base isn't happy with the 200 teams below 150 RPI as worthy of soiling the TUC court. So now we have 10 dates and a possible 75 "dance partners" who have their own availability constraints, and Siena needs to fill maybe 3 or 4 dates from that pool (some of whom are MAAC teams, or UA). Since they would be "new" one and one series, those 3 or 4 must be willing to start a home and home on the road... the pool starts getting really small. So you have to start diving down into the unsavory "bottom 200" in order just to get home games. This is the well documented life of a mid-major schedule maker. You may not like the end result every year, but given the almost impossible constraints they face, I give them a lot of credit. As for the BCS games, ask the kids how many of them they would like to play each year(remember, this is about them, not you and your wallet)... bet they wouldn't think 3 is too many. Peace, Hock. Biggest load of crap I've read in a while-- might as well go back to D2 or the Arc. Siena needed to schedule 4 non conf games and this staff and AD couldn’t even get that right with one game in Glens falls. 2 of the 3 homes dates they filled were with 2 of the weakest teams in D1. Pine Bluff ended up 345th. Hate to break this to you, D1 basketball is a business. A load of crap? That's a little harsh. Thought we were supposed to be nicer to our long-term members? But seriously, I agree we could have done better at home, but as was already mentioned we did have the strongest SOS in the conf. Since you are saying Hockey's statements are flat out wrong (by calling it a load of crap), please state what part is off. And I bet Hockey realizes this is a business. But based on what Hockey says, though, I would think some (most?)of those stronger AWAY games from last year should be return games at HOME this yea, no? That would help the HOME schedule.
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Post by hockeyguy on Mar 15, 2017 8:15:36 GMT -5
Tony? Care to elaborate as to which part is "crap"? Back when "Mid_Majority" was in business Kyle interviewed a couple mid-major ass't coaches and that is exactly the kind of story they told. As for it being "a business", after 40+ years in the business world, including 12 as the CFO of a publicly traded corporation, I just might know a thing or two about business and what a business is.
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Post by $cott on Mar 15, 2017 9:28:03 GMT -5
I have no issues with going to these tournaments if they are on our terms. It was simple, the CBE needed teams, there were two quality midmajors in the pool in Furman (RPI of 93) and NC Asheville (RPI of 73). We should have only agreed to that tournament if we played those teams or at the least if one of those teams came to the TUC and we went to Pine Bluff. Instead Jimmy pushed hard to play at Kansas and George Washington and left himself no leverage for the lesser games. Allowing Arkansas Pine Bluff on the schedule as a home game was beyond ridiculous.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 15, 2017 10:48:15 GMT -5
I have no issues with going to these tournaments if they are on our terms. It was simple, the CBE needed teams, there were two quality midmajors in the pool in Furman (RPI of 93) and NC Asheville (RPI of 73). We should have only agreed to that tournament if we played those teams or at the least if one of those teams came to the TUC and we went to Pine Bluff. Instead Jimmy pushed hard to play at Kansas and George Washington and left himself no leverage for the lesser games. Allowing Arkansas Pine Bluff on the schedule as a home game was beyond ridiculous. I don’t necessarily disagree with that. But the Kansas game was big on a couple fronts – the team got to play in Allen Fieldhouse. That is huge in itself and memorable for players and coaches, plus we got a payday. I don’t begrudge pushing for that game. And you mention the quality mid-majors. GW is at RPI 102 right now. That’s pretty good as well - plus it’s a school that is in our recruiting area. I know you would have wanted that to be here (and so would I) but that is where the negotiating comes in and we probably couldn’t have gotten both - Kansas (with the payday) and a home game against GW (or the other quality teams). I am sure there were negotiations all around. GW, Furman and UNCA all wanted the home game as well. I guess I would ask who else got to host Ark-PB.
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Post by $cott on Mar 15, 2017 10:59:34 GMT -5
I have no issues with going to these tournaments if they are on our terms. It was simple, the CBE needed teams, there were two quality midmajors in the pool in Furman (RPI of 93) and NC Asheville (RPI of 73). We should have only agreed to that tournament if we played those teams or at the least if one of those teams came to the TUC and we went to Pine Bluff. Instead Jimmy pushed hard to play at Kansas and George Washington and left himself no leverage for the lesser games. Allowing Arkansas Pine Bluff on the schedule as a home game was beyond ridiculous. I don’t necessarily disagree with that. But the Kansas game was big on a couple fronts – the team got to play in Allen Fieldhouse. That is huge in itself and memorable for players and coaches, plus we got a payday. I don’t begrudge pushing for that game. And you mention the quality mid-majors. GW is at RPI 102 right now. That’s pretty good as well - plus it’s a school that is in our recruiting area. I know you would have wanted that to be here (and so would I) but that is where the negotiating comes in and we probably couldn’t have gotten both - Kansas (with the payday) and a home game against GW (or the other quality teams). I am sure there were negotiations all around. GW, Furman and UNCA all wanted the home game as well. I guess I would ask who else got to host Ark-PB. The tournaments are setup with four majors and four mid to low majors. GW was with the four majors (Kansas, Georgia, UAB were the others) so they got two home games against the midmajors in addition to neutral site games with two other majors. The midmajors have to go on the road to two of the majors along with getting one home and one road game against the midmajors. So GW coming here was never a possibility.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 15, 2017 11:40:25 GMT -5
Which is why we should never agree to those if it can be avoided. If possible we should instead schedule or start a mid major tourney with like minded conferences to replace the old bracket buster. Then fill the schedule with one or two guarantee games to find the program if necessary.
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Post by $cott on Mar 15, 2017 11:59:16 GMT -5
Which is why we should never agree to those if it can be avoided. If possible we should instead schedule or start a mid major tourney with like minded conferences to replace the old bracket buster. Then fill the schedule with one or two guarantee games to find the program if necessary. I'm not sure what the process is to get an exempt event approved but if they could get that done then that would be a great option and a great way to include the Albany-Siena game every year as part of the event. Having two anchor teams would make it much easier to fill the tournament.
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Post by Tony on Mar 15, 2017 15:53:01 GMT -5
Sorry Load of crap but have been a bit harsh- let’s just say tremendously misguided. No spinning the home portion of non conf schedule was horrible, and you might think it’s about the kids in D1- but you’d be wrong, it’s a business, look at the transfers in D1 every year—not sure what pct are basically ran out of dodge—but a good chunk of them are- D1 plays Thanksgiving weekend and day before and after Christmas ( heck some may even play Christmas ) Siena takes a week off for midterms ( think 8 days this year) so instead of knocking out the 30 or 40 days Hock thought—make it 10 or so days, its not rocket science to schedule 4 non conf home games or to balance your home schedule- this coaching staff and the AD failed miserably at it this year. To bring Ark pine Bluff in year was a not a good move, nor was playing Bucknell in Glens Falls- I know a lot of long time Siena fans still with a bad taste in their mouth over that- I’m quite sure we will lose season ticket holders over that snafu. If you want to watch basketball that’s “about the kids” watch d3.. with the salaries these coaches are making these days about the kids went out the window long ago- it’s naïve to think otherwise
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Post by Tony on Mar 15, 2017 15:55:22 GMT -5
ANd BTW before you say Siena isnt that way- ask yourself how many kids Jimmy has ran off and how many left voluntarily. Ask the 2 kids that will almost certainly be run off this spring -- and hey a lot of things I dont like about Jimmy, but not giving him a hard time on revolving door- he needs to get some talent in here or he will be fired
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 15, 2017 23:59:50 GMT -5
He's gone after next year. The decision has been made.
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Post by sky on Mar 16, 2017 3:24:28 GMT -5
ANd BTW before you say Siena isnt that way- ask yourself how many kids Jimmy has ran off and how many left voluntarily. Ask the 2 kids that will almost certainly be run off this spring -- and hey a lot of things I dont like about Jimmy, but not giving him a hard time on revolving door- he needs to get some talent in here or he will be fired Not giving a hard time because he needs to get some talent in....now, pray tell, why does he need to get some talent in...his previous recruiting might have something to do with it...I'm all for giving him a hard time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 4:05:27 GMT -5
He's gone after next year. The decision has been made. By whom? JP personally?
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Post by Papi on Mar 16, 2017 6:26:37 GMT -5
He's gone after next year. The decision has been made. Yep, having a lame duck coach makes recruits stay away and existing players bolt. Congratulations, the sienahoops board is now running the basketball program. After next season all is good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 6:33:36 GMT -5
He's gone after next year. The decision has been made. Yep, having a lame duck coach makes recruits stay away and existing players bolt. Congratulations, the sienahoops board is now running the basketball program. After next season all is good. Yes, What a powerful bunch.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 16, 2017 6:47:52 GMT -5
He's gone after next year. The decision has been made. Yep, having a lame duck coach makes recruits stay away and existing players bolt. Congratulations, the sienahoops board is now running the basketball program. After next season all is good. How badly does that hook in your mouth hurt?
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