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Post by OneIndian on Mar 14, 2017 19:48:56 GMT -5
C'mon he can't win in the MAAC and you're whinny about OOC. LOL! Loyola .518 Siena .504 Lifetime .513 after 13 years in the MAAC Case closed! I think your boy needs a beer. Chop chop! Rex spends more time planning vacations then planing games and recruiting! That's the problem. You lose again. Yawn 💤💤💤
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Post by gorvy on Mar 14, 2017 19:49:42 GMT -5
The rpi last two years was fine. The issue has always been titles. He does just enough to have a decent but not excellent season. Hardly anyone is comparing him to beyer, Mitch etc but he can't be compared to the better coaches here either. New crop of players next season let's see what happens--/ this will be the first season the majority if not all of the playing time will come from players not originally recruited to Loyola. And we are all told that the only reason why he couldn't win at Loyola was because it was Loyola. So can he win a title at Siena? The problem is fans dont care about RPI's. Only records. He's a fool to schedule like he did this past year. Fans would be much happier with a 22-12 record and a SOS like Iona or Monmouths. . Unfortunately this is accurate. I think it's a reason we were held back from the a10 -- as a group our fans weren't willing to value the difference between losing to a quality a10 team compared to winning against a lower level maac team. However, even a 20 win season with no ncaa or nit bid may not be enough for fans in the long run. He has to find a way to win the maac reg or postseason if not next year then the year after that. Or convince the fans to embrace the cit/cbi which hasn't happened so far.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 14, 2017 19:51:43 GMT -5
The problem is fans dont care about RPI's. Only records. He's a fool to schedule like he did this past year. Fans would be much happier with a 22-12 record and a SOS like Iona or Monmouths. . Unfortunately this is accurate. I think it's a reason we were held back from the a10 -- as a group our fans weren't willing to value the difference between losing to a quality a10 team compared to winning against a lower level maac team. However, even a 20 win season with no ncaa or nit bid may not be enough for fans in the long run. He has to find a way to win the maac reg or postseason if not next year then the year after that. Or convince the fans to embrace the cit/cbi which hasn't happened so far. He can't win in the MAAC so OOC / RPI is irrelevant! Fran left the A10 went with it, and then there's the money issue. We've been down that road in another thread. Seven losing seasons and no cash A10 is a dead topic.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 14, 2017 19:57:56 GMT -5
Fans that really know anything about basketball, outside of Siena, would realize his .518 winning % at Loyola was actually incredibly good when you consider the record of the program the 5 years prior to him getting that job. 23-118....yup 23-118 So when you look up your numbers dig deeper into the truth about what he inherited there, and here, when lumping them all together in your analysis. no surprise you don't get it that part of it. But i get the disappointment of this year, big expectations and the team fell short. The whole program. The coaches, the players, the fans. Nobody had a good year.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 14, 2017 20:04:25 GMT -5
. Unfortunately this is accurate. I think it's a reason we were held back from the a10 -- as a group our fans weren't willing to value the difference between losing to a quality a10 team compared to winning against a lower level maac team. However, even a 20 win season with no ncaa or nit bid may not be enough for fans in the long run. He has to find a way to win the maac reg or postseason if not next year then the year after that. Or convince the fans to embrace the cit/cbi which hasn't happened so far. He can't win in the MAAC OCC is irrelevant! They go hand in hand-- if he won in the maac he would win in ooc too. But if he scheduled more strategically he could get nit invites without winning the maac if enough games are won. Can't do that if the rpi is bad, whether you win them or not. The problem is once he does that if the losses pile up he sets himself up as a bigger target. Quinny willing to pay 800k according to a tweet reportrdvby brian--- many on here saying Siena wouldn't ever pay nearly that much--- you get what you pay for -- Siena not even close to the league lead anymore in coaching salary.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 14, 2017 20:04:57 GMT -5
Fans that really know anything about basketball, outside of Siena, would realize his .518 winning % at Loyola was actually incredibly good when you consider the record of the program the 5 years prior to him getting that job. 23-118....yup 23-118 So when you look up your numbers dig deeper into the truth about what he inherited there, and here, when lumping them all together in your analysis. no surprise you don't get it that part of it. But i get the disappointment of this year, big expectations and the team fell short. The whole program. The coaches, the players, the fans. Nobody had a good year. What's .504 at Siena? How you gonna spin that? Quick trip to the end of the bar should help. The inherited here excuse, funny Rex got worse as MItches kids graduated. Maybe he should look how to keep more than 50% of his roster and stop the revolving door of players and assistants. Maybe he should spend more time game planning and recruiting then on planning vacations! Stop my side is killing me from laughter 😂😂😂😂
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Post by skipc on Mar 14, 2017 20:16:42 GMT -5
He can't win in the MAAC OCC is irrelevant! They go hand in hand-- if he won in the maac he would win in ooc too. But if he scheduled more strategically he could get nit invites without winning the maac if enough games are won. Can't do that if the rpi is bad, whether you win them or not. The problem is once he does that if the losses pile up he sets himself up as a bigger target. Quinny willing to pay 800k according to a tweet reportrdvby brian--- many on here saying Siena wouldn't ever pay nearly that much--- you get what you pay for -- Siena not even close to the league lead anymore in coaching salary. Quinny has more money then they know what to do with. Have you seen their basketball and hockey arena on campus?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 14, 2017 20:20:42 GMT -5
Fans that really know anything about basketball, outside of Siena, would realize his .518 winning % at Loyola was actually incredibly good when you consider the record of the program the 5 years prior to him getting that job. 23-118....yup 23-118 So when you look up your numbers dig deeper into the truth about what he inherited there, and here, when lumping them all together in your analysis. no surprise you don't get it that part of it. But i get the disappointment of this year, big expectations and the team fell short. The whole program. The coaches, the players, the fans. Nobody had a good year. What's .504 at Siena? How you gonna spin that? Quick trip to the end of the bar should help. The inherited here excuse, funny Rex got worse as MItches kids graduated. Maybe he should look how to keep more than 50% of his roster and stop the revolving door of players and assistants. Maybe he should spend more time game planning and recruiting then on planning vacations! Stop my side is killing me from laughter 😂😂😂😂 There's the bar again. Another loss for the hoop genius.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 14, 2017 20:23:13 GMT -5
What's .504 at Siena? How you gonna spin that? Quick trip to the end of the bar should help. The inherited here excuse, funny Rex got worse as MItches kids graduated. Maybe he should look how to keep more than 50% of his roster and stop the revolving door of players and assistants. Maybe he should spend more time game planning and recruiting then on planning vacations! Stop my side is killing me from laughter 😂😂😂😂 There's the bar again. Another loss for the hoop genius. Way to stay on topic.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 14, 2017 20:25:24 GMT -5
They go hand in hand-- if he won in the maac he would win in ooc too. But if he scheduled more strategically he could get nit invites without winning the maac if enough games are won. Can't do that if the rpi is bad, whether you win them or not. The problem is once he does that if the losses pile up he sets himself up as a bigger target. Quinny willing to pay 800k according to a tweet reportrdvby brian--- many on here saying Siena wouldn't ever pay nearly that much--- you get what you pay for -- Siena not even close to the league lead anymore in coaching salary. Quinny has more money then they know what to do with. Have you seen their basketball and hockey arena on campus? . Seems like they know what they are going to do with it... buy a good coach and win the maac.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 14, 2017 20:25:33 GMT -5
There's the bar again. Another loss for the hoop genius. Way to stay on topic. you win
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Post by IndianSaint on Mar 14, 2017 21:33:09 GMT -5
Count me as one fine with the schedule. Lots of other things to be concerned about. The schedule had the right teams on it even though it didn't break well at home. I would prefer Siena stay away from the non neutral site tourneys if possible. I also dislike home games away from the tuc. If it has to happen again hold it at the arc for the students. Again I wouldn't complain about this just points of discussion. The sos was good just have to find a way to win them. I'm excited about the 18 game maac schedule. That's going to add variety and be fun for debate. What maac teams will Siena get to play this year? Siena finished 4th and made it to championship but will probably get hosed in the poll that decides the schedule. I liked the schedule too, always a tough OOC. I too wouldn't mind BCS games at neutral site as my preference, but don't get as upset as others (not saying you) when it doesn't come to fruition.
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Post by hockeyguy on Mar 14, 2017 21:47:16 GMT -5
I think he rounded up... but HJ is absolutely right... as usual lots of bitching about the OOC schedule. It seems some on here almost (note almost) think we should be hosting Duke AND Kentucky or similar every year. Wondered when someone would post a stupid thing like this- I must have missed when someone posted Siena should be hosting Duke and Kentucky? The balls on Siena fans expected better than Cornell and Ark pine bluff. Next thing you know Siena fans will expect better than 6 losing seasons in last 7 regular seasons Tony, I am sure the guys trying to arrange future OOC's would be happy to avail themselves of all of your experience and expertise in putting together the next schedule. Call them up and give them the benefit of your wisdom.
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Post by hockeyguy on Mar 15, 2017 0:03:13 GMT -5
In the 15 years or so of coming on this board, OOC scheduling seems to come up every 3 or so years and the complaining about home games, so maybe it is time for a quick review of just why it is so hard to get the kinds of games some want. Sorry if this ends up being a little long but here goes:
The basketball season is roughly 3/4 of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb. Siena plays in the MAAC and that means Jan and Feb are pretty much handed over to the MAAC for scheduling league games.
That leaves roughly 45 - 50 days in Nov/Dec for scheduling OOC. Thanksgiving takes a bite out of Nov., first semester finals (this is college after all) and Christmas in Dec. take another 15 or so of those days. Down to maybe 30 open dates.
Siena is not the primary tenant (at least for now) at the TUC, so the schedulers are at the mercy of the Devils, especially weeknights. Give up another 10 dates for that. Now you are down to 20 potential dates that the team can work with.
There are "return" games from the previous year (4 or 5) that have to be played. No one wants to play back to back nights, give up another 10 dates. Down to 10 possible dates you can schedule a home game.
There are about 350 D1 programs, the top 75 or so won't come to Albany without special circumstances (if even then) and the fan base isn't happy with the 200 teams below 150 RPI as worthy of soiling the TUC court. So now we have 10 dates and a possible 75 "dance partners" who have their own availability constraints, and Siena needs to fill maybe 3 or 4 dates from that pool (some of whom are MAAC teams, or UA).
Since they would be "new" one and one series, those 3 or 4 must be willing to start a home and home on the road... the pool starts getting really small. So you have to start diving down into the unsavory "bottom 200" in order just to get home games.
This is the well documented life of a mid-major schedule maker. You may not like the end result every year, but given the almost impossible constraints they face, I give them a lot of credit.
As for the BCS games, ask the kids how many of them they would like to play each year(remember, this is about them, not you and your wallet)... bet they wouldn't think 3 is too many.
Peace, Hock.
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Post by Tony on Mar 15, 2017 5:19:59 GMT -5
In the 15 years or so of coming on this board, OOC scheduling seems to come up every 3 or so years and the complaining about home games, so maybe it is time for a quick review of just why it is so hard to get the kinds of games some want. Sorry if this ends up being a little long but here goes: The basketball season is roughly 3/4 of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb. Siena plays in the MAAC and that means Jan and Feb are pretty much handed over to the MAAC for scheduling league games. That leaves roughly 45 - 50 days in Nov/Dec for scheduling OOC. Thanksgiving takes a bite out of Nov., first semester finals (this is college after all) and Christmas in Dec. take another 15 or so of those days. Down to maybe 30 open dates. Siena is not the primary tenant (at least for now) at the TUC, so the schedulers are at the mercy of the Devils, especially weeknights. Give up another 10 dates for that. Now you are down to 20 potential dates that the team can work with. There are "return" games from the previous year (4 or 5) that have to be played. No one wants to play back to back nights, give up another 10 dates. Down to 10 possible dates you can schedule a home game. There are about 350 D1 programs, the top 75 or so won't come to Albany without special circumstances (if even then) and the fan base isn't happy with the 200 teams below 150 RPI as worthy of soiling the TUC court. So now we have 10 dates and a possible 75 "dance partners" who have their own availability constraints, and Siena needs to fill maybe 3 or 4 dates from that pool (some of whom are MAAC teams, or UA). Since they would be "new" one and one series, those 3 or 4 must be willing to start a home and home on the road... the pool starts getting really small. So you have to start diving down into the unsavory "bottom 200" in order just to get home games. This is the well documented life of a mid-major schedule maker. You may not like the end result every year, but given the almost impossible constraints they face, I give them a lot of credit. As for the BCS games, ask the kids how many of them they would like to play each year(remember, this is about them, not you and your wallet)... bet they wouldn't think 3 is too many. Peace, Hock. Biggest load of crap I've read in a while-- might as well go back to D2 or the Arc. Siena needed to schedule 4 non conf games and this staff and AD couldn’t even get that right with one game in Glens falls. 2 of the 3 homes dates they filled were with 2 of the weakest teams in D1. Pine Bluff ended up 345th. Hate to break this to you, D1 basketball is a business.
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