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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 12:32:17 GMT -5
As Milton Friedman once said spending should be controlled by a constitutional amendment. A percentage of GDP or some reasonable formula. If an agreement can not be made then cuts across the board until the budget it balanced. With regard to corporate welfare, most true conservatives despise it. It picks winners and losers. Bailouts are the same. Government sponsored or subsidized business like nanotechnology and NYS gambling, is also not acceptable. The free market should control; are you paying attention? Stop hanging on to your party like it is your favorite team. Glen and I are free thinkers, you on the other hand are just following your party ideology. Come join us we would love to have you. "Free thinkers!" - wow, you sure are high on yourself. "Free thinkers" - LMAO! |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 17, 2014 15:20:15 GMT -5
Any person is going to read your statement about this article as a minor dig against Republicans with a focused attack on Obama. The fact you can't see that in what you wrote says EVERYTHING. I'm not pro or against Obama. Your comment... attempted to blame him for something a Republican is doing... and you try to deny what you wrote?  Really? Follow along, Obama is the most liberal president we have had to date. How can any conservative, fiscal conservative, free market voter support his policies and agenda. You do, based on your posts. But you don't support him or his policies? You are not pro or against Obama? Really? I try to be objective, you are just a supporter of your party. Although for some reason you don't want to admit it. Which is like most Americans, and that is why we have gridlock. You are a running joke in this thread. Love your chest thumping. I said it best you are the reason your party is a failure. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 17, 2014 15:31:26 GMT -5
Riding a train back to Albany. Listening to some clown loud talker on his cell phone. He is a LOT of what I find wrong with the corporate world. He is actually taking pleasure in firing people and said "I really enjoys the fact that it is putting a ton of pressure on everyone who remains. " that was just one of his many lovely comments. If it was legal ... this dude wouldn't walk off this train.
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 17, 2014 16:17:04 GMT -5
Follow along, Obama is the most liberal president we have had to date. How can any conservative, fiscal conservative, free market voter support his policies and agenda. You do, based on your posts. But you don't support him or his policies? You are not pro or against Obama? Really? I try to be objective, you are just a supporter of your party. Although for some reason you don't want to admit it. Which is like most Americans, and that is why we have gridlock. You are a running joke in this thread. Love your chest thumping. I said it best you are the reason your party is a failure. I am not registered with any party. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 17, 2014 16:21:34 GMT -5
Riding a train back to Albany. Listening to some clown loud talker on his cell phone. He is a LOT of what I find wrong with the corporate world. He is actually taking pleasure in firing people and said "I really enjoys the fact that it is putting a ton of pressure on everyone who remains. " that was just one of his many lovely comments. If it was legal ... this dude wouldn't walk off this train. I think we all know what your positions are even if you don't. I'm done with this thread. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 17, 2014 18:09:48 GMT -5
Riding a train back to Albany. Listening to some clown loud talker on his cell phone. He is a LOT of what I find wrong with the corporate world. He is actually taking pleasure in firing people and said "I really enjoy the fact that it is putting a ton of pressure on everyone who remains. " that was just one of his many lovely comments. If it was legal ... this dude wouldn't walk off this train. I think we all know what your positions are even if you don't. I'm done with this thread. I see you sided with the clown. Wow. We obviously see where your positions are even if you don't |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 20, 2014 17:31:26 GMT -5
Why does the Fed govt have to be doing welfare programs? Shouldn't that be a state thing? Heck, shouldn't that be a local thing? Small government - that IS the T platform (social agendas are not part of it) is based on keeping it local. You have way more % input on your town officials than on county, state or federal. The smaller the government the better overall but that doesn't mean all programs need to go away. That would work out well. Let's have hundreds or thousands of different ways to provide welfare. Typical hyperbole... But the truth is welfare or better yet, safety nets, that are constructed at the local & state level are WAY more likely to actually met the needs, have the right oversight and parameters that federal programs. |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 20, 2014 17:35:08 GMT -5
Any person is going to read your statement about this article as a minor dig against Republicans with a focused attack on Obama. The fact you can't see that in what you wrote says EVERYTHING. I'm not pro or against Obama. Your comment... attempted to blame him for something a Republican is doing... and you try to deny what you wrote? Really? Follow along, Obama is the most liberal president we have had to date. How can any conservative, fiscal conservative, free market voter support his policies and agenda. You do, based on your posts. But you don't support him or his policies? You are not pro or against Obama? Really? I try to be objective, you are just a supporter of your party. Although for some reason you don't want to admit it. Which is like most Americans, and that is why we have gridlock. Almost right but what we have is far from gridlock - we have absolutely run away out of control government over reach with laws, regulations and capital consumption. |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 20, 2014 17:40:39 GMT -5
Follow along, Obama is the most liberal president we have had to date. How can any conservative, fiscal conservative, free market voter support his policies and agenda. You do, based on your posts. But you don't support him or his policies? You are not pro or against Obama? Really? I try to be objective, you are just a supporter of your party. Although for some reason you don't want to admit it. Which is like most Americans, and that is why we have gridlock. You are a running joke in this thread. Love your chest thumping. I said it best you are the reason your party is a failure. Saintsfan - lots of poking at CR but no real rebuttals and LOTS of name calling on your part too. Your last statement illustrates perfectly one of the major issues our country is facing: you say "your party is a failure." with the implication that it is the messenger rather than the message that is the problem. Really...? On issues of this import you seem to be judging issues like you would who you vote for Prom King. Sad. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 20, 2014 18:19:26 GMT -5
You are a running joke in this thread. Love your chest thumping. I said it best you are the reason your party is a failure. Saintsfan - lots of poking at CR but no real rebuttals and LOTS of name calling on your part too. Your last statement illustrates perfectly one of the major issues our country is facing: you say "your party is a failure." with the implication that it is the messenger rather than the message that is the problem. Really...? On issues of this import you seem to be judging issues like you would who you vote for Prom King. Sad. I pointed out a guy who took joy in firing people. He seemed to support that. That's a work place shooting I would love to read about. A pretty small man takes joy in firing people. And regarding your last statement you people seem to vote according to what would put one more dollar in your own pocket. I prefer to think a little beyond that but I certainly understand the me first mentality |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 20, 2014 18:20:11 GMT -5
Follow along, Obama is the most liberal president we have had to date. How can any conservative, fiscal conservative, free market voter support his policies and agenda. You do, based on your posts. But you don't support him or his policies? You are not pro or against Obama? Really? I try to be objective, you are just a supporter of your party. Although for some reason you don't want to admit it. Which is like most Americans, and that is why we have gridlock. Almost right but what we have is far from gridlock - we have absolutely run away out of control government over reach with laws, regulations and capital consumption. And what is your fix Nole |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 20, 2014 19:25:50 GMT -5
Saintsfan - lots of poking at CR but no real rebuttals and LOTS of name calling on your part too. Your last statement illustrates perfectly one of the major issues our country is facing: you say "your party is a failure." with the implication that it is the messenger rather than the message that is the problem. Really...? On issues of this import you seem to be judging issues like you would who you vote for Prom King. Sad. I pointed out a guy who took joy in firing people. He seemed to support that. That's a work place shooting I would love to read about. A pretty small man takes joy in firing people. And regarding your last statement you people seem to vote according to what would put one more dollar in your own pocket. I prefer to think a little beyond that but I certainly understand the me first mentality You are off your rocker! You just lost just about all the respect I had for you. You have no effing idea what I do for my country, my state, my community not a effing clue....and it sure as hell isn't putting a single extra penny in my pocket. Who gives a flying eff about a some asshole on the train? The guy is a douche and will get his comeuppance. We are trying to discuss real issues with you and anyone else willing to be part of the discussion and all you have done is cast aspirations at lobbyist, corporations and the Tea Party. Then you pull a BM trick with well why are you calling me names, I didn't say anything and tell me what would you do? You are full of shit - you contribute nothing to this discussion yet continue to call people out on their position while offering no one single viable alternative or discussion point. Liberty through smaller Federal Government. Getting there is actually pretty simple. Not saying it would be easy, in fact it will be hard for LOTS of people, but anyone who looks at this stuff objectively can see where the changes MUST be made (social security, entitlements, healthcare, aid to horrible countries) is we are to survive as a country as well as where changes should be made (Education, National Parks, etc. these are States issues) and place where it can be made (the arts, etc - that we shouldn't spend a single dime on when running a deficit). God Damn I liked you man - so wish I hadn't waded back into these water. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 21, 2014 4:42:54 GMT -5
I pointed out a guy who took joy in firing people. He seemed to support that. That's a work place shooting I would love to read about. A pretty small man takes joy in firing people. And regarding your last statement you people seem to vote according to what would put one more dollar in your own pocket. I prefer to think a little beyond that but I certainly understand the me first mentality You are off your rocker! You just lost just about all the respect I had for you. You have no effing idea what I do for my country, my state, my community not a effing clue....and it sure as hell isn't putting a single extra penny in my pocket. Who gives a flying eff about a some asshole on the train? The guy is a douche and will get his comeuppance. We are trying to discuss real issues with you and anyone else willing to be part of the discussion and all you have done is cast aspirations at lobbyist, corporations and the Tea Party. Then you pull a BM trick with well why are you calling me names, I didn't say anything and tell me what would you do? You are full of shit - you contribute nothing to this discussion yet continue to call people out on their position while offering no one single viable alternative or discussion point. Liberty through smaller Federal Government. Getting there is actually pretty simple. Not saying it would be easy, in fact it will be hard for LOTS of people, but anyone who looks at this stuff objectively can see where the changes MUST be made (social security, entitlements, healthcare, aid to horrible countries) is we are to survive as a country as well as where changes should be made (Education, National Parks, etc. these are States issues) and place where it can be made (the arts, etc - that we shouldn't spend a single dime on when running a deficit). God Damn I liked you man - so wish I hadn't waded back into these water. -Just because we don't agree on this doesn't make me dislike anyone here any more or less. -everything you stated was cuts to the middle class and poor. You simply can't do what you've stated without prying money out of corporations and the ultra wealthy... which won't be happening any time soon. Now... you may be stating your end game expectations but as I said. With our system funneling wealth to a select few at a disgusting and unsustainable rate it is simply impossible to start hacking and slashing the programs you mentioned. And do you know where all that money cut from government spending will end up? Right in the pockets of that wealthy group... Because that is how our system is setup. |
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 21, 2014 18:24:34 GMT -5
You are off your rocker! You just lost just about all the respect I had for you. You have no effing idea what I do for my country, my state, my community not a effing clue....and it sure as hell isn't putting a single extra penny in my pocket. Who gives a flying eff about a some asshole on the train? The guy is a douche and will get his comeuppance. We are trying to discuss real issues with you and anyone else willing to be part of the discussion and all you have done is cast aspirations at lobbyist, corporations and the Tea Party. Then you pull a BM trick with well why are you calling me names, I didn't say anything and tell me what would you do? You are full of shit - you contribute nothing to this discussion yet continue to call people out on their position while offering no one single viable alternative or discussion point. Liberty through smaller Federal Government. Getting there is actually pretty simple. Not saying it would be easy, in fact it will be hard for LOTS of people, but anyone who looks at this stuff objectively can see where the changes MUST be made (social security, entitlements, healthcare, aid to horrible countries) is we are to survive as a country as well as where changes should be made (Education, National Parks, etc. these are States issues) and place where it can be made (the arts, etc - that we shouldn't spend a single dime on when running a deficit). God Damn I liked you man - so wish I hadn't waded back into these water. -Just because we don't agree on this doesn't make me dislike anyone here any more or less. -everything you stated was cuts to the middle class and poor. You simply can't do what you've stated without prying money out of corporations and the ultra wealthy... which won't be happening any time soon. Now... you may be stating your end game expectations but as I said. With our system funneling wealth to a select few at a disgusting and unsustainable rate it is simply impossible to start hacking and slashing the programs you mentioned. And do you know where all that money cut from government spending will end up? Right in the pockets of that wealthy group... Because that is how our system is setup. I admit it - I dislike people who think they can tell me what I believe, who I am and what my motivations are - you pretty much did all of those things. P - did you ever take any American history, free market economics, public administration classes? Because your second bullet screams liberal talking points and is almost wholly misinformed. In fact your first item in the second bullet is almost completely off the mark - the cuts in the federal government would impact EVERYONE. Yes it is true to varying degrees but again I point you to something Thomas Sowell wrote: I fail to see why it is greed for me to want to keep my money yet it is not greed for others to want to take it. |
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 21, 2014 19:13:54 GMT -5
[/quote]I admit it - I dislike people who think they can tell me what I believe, who I am and what my motivations are - you pretty much did all of those things.
P - did you ever take any American history, free market economics, public administration classes? Because your second bullet screams liberal talking points and is almost wholly misinformed. In fact your first item in the second bullet is almost completely off the mark - the cuts in the federal government would impact EVERYONE. Yes it is true to varying degrees but again I point you to something Thomas Sowell wrote: I fail to see why it is greed for me to want to keep my money yet it is not greed for others to want to take it.
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Thomas Sowell is one of my favorites for sure; a great economist and a great thinker as well as philosopher in my opinion. There are not too many clear thinkers out there, especially among our liberal thinking citizens. But to your point, liberals do not care about history, unless it is revisionist, or free market principles. The liberals prefer democracy - "two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner." And we all know that is what causes the end of our Republic. - Well everyone except SF and Misspractice.
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